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Movistar Netflix Documentary

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Now available, 6 episodes 20 mins each.

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eeeee

Definitely in weight dependant sports, there are a few article about it. Enric Mas was skeletal, and praising his weight loss for his 5th place. I want to give him a sandwich, a stew and a pound of butter!

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eeeee wrote: »

The riders look shockingly thin as well, I know pro cyclists are tiny but they look really unhealthy I guess they're mostly tiny climbers on that tour team. That clip of Rojas (was it?) standing on the scales and not a pick on him. I know they measure dehydration and all that, but yikes.

I posted a video of a training camp Froome did in the general racing thread, and weight and water retention is something thats talked about, he was 71 and needed to be 68kg I think. I'm not a foodie despite loving cookery shows. I don't eat badly but food is not something I really think much about, but it's an eye opener the extent these guys think about it. I would think eating disorders are rampant in a lot of sports.

EDIT: Quick check , he's actually one of the taller and heavier GC lads, the likes of Landa and Quintan or Bernal are much lighter.

eeeee

The riders look shockingly thin as well, I know pro cyclists are tiny but they look really unhealthy

I guess they're mostly tiny climbers on that tour team. That clip of Rojas (was it?) standing on the scales and not a pick on him. I know they measure dehydration and all that, but yikes.

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I wonder what kind of money they got for it ? Netflix have deep pockets but they usually won't renew unless it did the numbers viewer wise or it was reasonably cheap to make.

eeeee

I like how they're not afraid to expose their difficulties, but man it must be hard to ride in that team.

They're all so dramatic! They seem surprised, last minute about things, the new equipment, few mechanics, riders having ot apologise to them en masse as an example.

Mefistofelino

Really enjoying the second series but you'd have to wonder whether Movistar are particularly dense or is a common trait to all top teams? Mas and Soler in particular seem to have no tactical nous. Valverde and Rojas should be better road captains but they're too busy acting the prima donna and schoolyard bully respectively.
Lastras is great - like a Spanish Christoph Waltz. You can imagine him throwing non performing riders off a moving team bus.

CramCycle

Also they can't take a nasal swab properly, just saying. Tester should have told him to f off or he was out.

CramCycle

wpd wrote: »

plenty of sticky bottle going on too

It is comical, I am sure loads do it but they are on camera and getting annoyed at the judges for fining him is outright hilarious.

dastardly00

Nice one, I really enjoyed the original season so looking forward to this.

wpd

just watched the first couple of episodes of season 2

they dont seem too pushed on sram or disc brakes
plenty of sticky bottle going on too

neris

The team directors giving out at the end that the lack of wins last year wasnt good enough. If the giro is anything to go by they started where they finished 2020, don't remember seeing them do anything at this years giro

Daroxtar

JJ Rojas is one hardy b'stard!

neris

Pretty good so far but it is subtitled. Looking at it 2020 was a mess up

Daroxtar

Watched the first couple of episodes there. Yet again it's great viewing

eeeee

Finnrocco wrote: »

I guess Bacon didn't do much of a winter that year.

Take a bow! :pac: :pac:

Finnrocco

I guess Bacon didn't do much of a winter that year.

eeeee

Finnrocco wrote: »

Here's the trailer for Quicksilver - looks ok to me (if just for the vintage steel bikes) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H97DAMGQ3pk

But a word of warning - in 2008, Kevin Bacon called the film "the absolute lowest point of my career."

So, buyer or renter beware!

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac: I genuinely laughed out loud at that

Finnrocco

Here's the trailer for Quicksilver - looks ok to me (if just for the vintage steel bikes) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H97DAMGQ3pk

But a word of warning - in 2008, Kevin Bacon called the film "the absolute lowest point of my career."

So, buyer or renter beware!

lissard

"My italian secret the forgotten heroes" on YouTube about Gino Bartali.
He was so much more than just a great champion - he was a bonafide hero. I have just finished reading his biography and in many ways he was a far more interesting character than Coppi who gets all the plaudits as the Campionissimo.

Finnrocco

Lads there's a few movies I've seen over the years:

Breaking Away - classic coming of age story, great movie focusing on the Little Indy 500 college bike race
American Flyers - Kevin Costner in a stage race (cant remember much more than that, saw it years ago, big Russian beardy fella is the villain)
Kevin Bacon in some movie about couriers - think its called Velocity or Speedway or Quickflash or something

As say, I haven't seen them in years so not sure how you would get them.

I had Breaking Away on video I think but sure it broke away from me, never to be seen again.

dinneenp

Randy Archer wrote: »

You tube

1.ESPN 30 for 30 Slaying the Badger,. ITS EPSN ,it’s always good !
Greg Lemon acting like a cry Baby, whinging that Hinault, a proud French man, 5 time winner, might or might not help him when the tour . Great stuff, surprised how people like Greg with his whinging - the dude is a legend and has been crapped on in life ie near death, abuse as a kid, booze issue and Lance ..so ...

2. You tube , Not documentary per se but, the much er loved ,Cannondale did some videos last year with Ralpa ,so naturally they are pretentious as hell ,but the episode where their Italian rider winning Flanders is good

3. A long one, but quite interesting , YouTube , Tour of Flanders People did hour long films for several recent editions of of the race . basically the camera in all the team cars, and show the media working and motor bikes and the atmosphere in the crowd. Rather interesting . The lads in the cars are pretty candid in their comments lol. The lads from Lotto and the lads from Quick Step are good. It’s in English translation though, worth passing the time

4. Hard to find on YouTube, but RTE and Paul Kimmage documentary covering the 2013 TDF and his story is very good, certainly not boring

5. Gerraint Thomas also did a documentary with bbc for last years TDF, it’s okay, he’s a bit bland ,how he won bbc spoty not sure as he didn’t have much of a profile with mainstream Britain Unlike Hoye, Wiggins and Cavendish , despite the Olympic medals - it’s passable

6. A Sunday in Hell, Paris Roubaix ,grainy footage . There is also YouTube clips from America tv covering the Paris Roubaix that Seán Kelly won

7 . Not a big fan of him ,but woes me DAVID Miller has an artsy documentary called Time Trial

8. I think Netflix still has a documentary on Pantani !!! and one on Gino Bartelli ,Italian who saved Jew during WW2 ,a pro rider

9. There is always loads of Lance Armstrong documentaries on YouTube too . Comment section alone is worth the craic

Have you seen the film with Chris O’Dowd ? Based on seven deadly sins. Called The Programme . The guys who play Lance Armstrong and Floyd Landis are brilliant in it -It’s not the greatest film in the world but it takes a good stab at the kind of man the creators think Lance is. They try to be fair too, they don’t paint him as a one dimensional monster . They deal with the cancer sensitively

10. surprisingly funny, but maybe not for the precious to hate the way the junkies haves ruined the sport and having the biggest dope heads, the yanks, poke fun at it . it’s a comedy film called Tour de Pharmacy . It is funny . Lance the little bollox has a cameo ,poking fun at himself (not funny that he got paid for it )

11. Save the best for last, - Netflix. This one is an amazing documentary, re state doping in Russian cantering around a Russian whistleblower , I think it won an Oscar. It’s called Icarus

Cheers for these. Have bookmarked some.
meant to be loads of great ESPN 30 for 30 but can't subscribe or access them

currently reading the Pantani book so will avoid the doc atm

Yermander

Randy Archer wrote: »

You tube

1.ESPN 30 for 30 Slaying the Badger,. ITS EPSN ,it’s always good !
Greg Lemon acting like a cry Baby, whinging that Hinault, a proud French man, 5 time winner, might or might not help him when the tour . Great stuff, surprised how people like Greg with his whinging - the dude is a legend and has been crapped on in life ie near death, abuse as a kid, booze issue and Lance ..so ...

2. You tube , Not documentary per se but, the much er loved ,Cannondale did some videos last year with Ralpa ,so naturally they are pretentious as hell ,but the episode where their Italian rider winning Flanders is good

3. A long one, but quite interesting , YouTube , Tour of Flanders People did hour long films for several recent editions of of the race . basically the camera in all the team cars, and show the media working and motor bikes and the atmosphere in the crowd. Rather interesting . The lads in the cars are pretty candid in their comments lol. The lads from Lotto and the lads from Quick Step are good. It’s in English translation though, worth passing the time

4. Hard to find on YouTube, but RTE and Paul Kimmage documentary covering the 2013 TDF and his story is very good, certainly not boring

5. Gerraint Thomas also did a documentary with bbc for last years TDF, it’s okay, he’s a bit bland ,how he won bbc spoty not sure as he didn’t have much of a profile with mainstream Britain Unlike Hoye, Wiggins and Cavendish , despite the Olympic medals - it’s passable

6. A Sunday in Hell, Paris Roubaix ,grainy footage . There is also YouTube clips from America tv covering the Paris Roubaix that Seán Kelly won

7 . Not a big fan of him ,but woes me DAVID Miller has an artsy documentary called Time Trial

8. I think Netflix still has a documentary on Pantani !!! and one on Gino Bartelli ,Italian who saved Jew during WW2 ,a pro rider

9. There is always loads of Lance Armstrong documentaries on YouTube too . Comment section alone is worth the craic

Have you seen the film with Chris O’Dowd ? Based on seven deadly sins. Called The Programme . The guys who play Lance Armstrong and Floyd Landis are brilliant in it -It’s not the greatest film in the world but it takes a good stab at the kind of man the creators think Lance is. They try to be fair too, they don’t paint him as a one dimensional monster . They deal with the cancer sensitively

10. surprisingly funny, but maybe not for the precious to hate the way the junkies haves ruined the sport and having the biggest dope heads, the yanks, poke fun at it . it’s a comedy film called Tour de Pharmacy . It is funny . Lance the little bollox has a cameo ,poking fun at himself (not funny that he got paid for it )

11. Save the best for last, - Netflix. This one is an amazing documentary, re state doping in Russian cantering around a Russian whistleblower , I think it won an Oscar. It’s called Icarus

Some great ones there. Just to add to the above:

There is a doc similar to the Movistar one, "Clean Spirit" following the Argos-Shimano team through the 2013 TDF. Was on Netflix a few years back.

"The making of an Hour Record" follows Rohan Dennis trying to break the hour record.

The Pantani one was on Netflix, not sure if it still is, "Pantani: The Accidental Death of a Cyclist".

Lance Armstrong doc "Stop at Nothing" on Netflix.

"Rough Rider" is the name of the Kimmage documentary, can be found on Youtube.

Randy Archer

dinneenp wrote: »

Not to gate crash but whare are some recommended cycling documentaries, films etc. please?
Thanks,
Pa.

You tube

1.ESPN 30 for 30 Slaying the Badger,. ITS ESPN ,it’s always good !
Greg Lemon acting like a cry Baby, whinging that Hinault, a proud French man, 5 time winner, might or might not help him win the tour . Great stuff, surprised how people like Greg with his whinging - the dude is a legend and has been crapped on in life ie near death, abuse as a kid, booze issue and Lance ..so ...

2. You tube , Not documentary per se but, the much er loved ,Cannondale did some videos last year with Ralpa ,so naturally they are pretentious as hell ,but the episode where their Italian rider won Flanders is good

3. A long one, but quite interesting , YouTube , Tour of Flanders People did hour long films for several recent editions of of the race . basically the camera in all the team cars, and show the media working and motor bikes and the atmosphere in the crowd. Rather interesting . The lads in the cars are pretty candid in their comments lol. The lads from Lotto and the lads from Quick Step are good. It’s in English subtitles though, worth passing the time

4. Hard to find on YouTube, but RTE and Paul Kimmage documentary covering the 2013 TDF and his story is very good, certainly not boring

5. Gerraint Thomas also did a documentary with bbc for last years TDF, it’s okay, he’s a bit bland ,how he won bbc spoty not sure as he didn’t have much of a profile with mainstream Britain Unlike Hoye, Wiggins and Cavendish , despite the Olympic medals - it’s passable

6. A Sunday in Hell, Paris Roubaix ,grainy footage . There is also YouTube clips from America tv covering the Paris Roubaix that Seán Kelly won

7 . Not a big fan of him ,but woes me DAVID Miller has an artsy documentary called Time Trial

8. I think Netflix still has a documentary on Pantani !!! and one on Gino Bartelli ,Italian who saved Jew during WW2 ,a pro rider

9. There is always loads of Lance Armstrong documentaries on YouTube too . Comment section alone is worth the craic

Have you seen the film with Chris O’Dowd ? Based on seven deadly sins. Called The Programme . The guys who play Lance Armstrong and Floyd Landis are brilliant in it -It’s not the greatest film in the world but it takes a good stab at the kind of man the creators think Lance is. They try to be fair too, they don’t paint him as a one dimensional monster . They deal with the cancer sensitively

10. surprisingly funny, but maybe not for the precious to hate the way the junkies haves ruined the sport and having the biggest dope heads, the yanks, poke fun at it . it’s a comedy film called Tour de Pharmacy . It is funny . Lance the little bollox has a cameo ,poking fun at himself (not funny that he got paid for it )

11. Save the best for last, - Netflix. This one is an amazing documentary, re state doping in Russian centring around a Russian whistleblower , I think it won an Oscar. It’s called Icarus

dinneenp

All For One any good?
https://youtu.be/Y4JH0vRJvQE

keane2097

Eat Race Win

wheelo01

keane2097 wrote: »

There's one about the Orica-Scott team on Prime that's very good, particularly if you're into food because it interweaves the chef's journey through the countryside looking for produce with the TdF stuff.

Any idea of the name of it please?

keane2097

dinneenp wrote: »

Not to gate crash but whare are some recommended cycling documentaries, films etc. please?
Thanks,
Pa.

There's one about the Orica-Scott team on Prime that's very good, particularly if you're into food because it interweaves the chef's journey through the countryside looking for produce with the TdF stuff.

dinneenp

Not to gate crash but whare are some recommended cycling documentaries, films etc. please?
Thanks,
Pa.

Randy Archer

gmacww wrote: »

I watched it over the weekend and if I'm honest I thought it was quite poor. Here have lots of arty shots of lamp shades shoes on the floor. Content wise was quite minimal and the jumping around made it almost unwatchable at times. I think it benefited massively from the content drought at the moment. We've no cycling so anything cycling related is "amazing". If this was shown during a normal cycling season I think peoples reactions to it would be different.

For anyone that saw say the Paul Kimmage doc there was more content in that in 1 hour than this would have in 3 seasons at the current rate. One 6 minute episode of Mitchelton Scott BSP covers more than two episodes.

I don't think Nairo came across as bad as many had have suggested. Lacking in communication most certainly but not a bad guy.

On the whole and yes it's hard to argue consistent team awards at GT's but tactically and for focus that team is a mess. Losing concentration as the DS with your leader in the TT of a GT is un-forgivable. I can forgive the rider as he's enough to deal with but the DS in the car should be calling out everything well in advance. The fact that they missed the corner screams a lack of focus. I know I could be countered here saying you cheery picked one but here for contrast is Matt White doing the TT in the TdF with a man in about 150th place. Look at the calls, the calmness, the directions and the information difference here than with Movistar.

https://youtu.be/9mh9USnsHN0?t=142

Paul Kimmage, a cyclist ,going ape **** in his camper van ,complaining like a typical driver ,about cyclists, going up a big mountain ,with THOUSANDS of walkers and cyclists Cycling up , to catch a cycling race , was tv gold on its own . It was hilarious

A great documentary by a man who is clearly bitter about the past, understandably , but yet, clearly still in love with the sport, even if he tries to deny it . people forget what a top amateur rider Kimmage was and how bloody hard it is to get in a pro team with all the politics and coming from a cycling backwater like Ireland and being expected to be another Seán Kelly or young Stephen Roach pre 1987

His poor wife ...

Then Kimmage got the savage bit with Chris Froome. Mrs Kimmage thinks he’s lovely, Paul clearly has doubts but is willing to give a benefit of the doubt. Then at the press conferences , unknowing to the BRITISH journalists ,who had asked Froome about doping at the press conference , Paul managed to get gold - gold ,showing the same British journalists stand outside the conference hall and APOLOGISE to Froome, for doing their job . No wonder Lance got away with it ,sure his biggest fan boy was the great Phil Ligget (compromised by working for NBC ?)

That must have pissed off Kimmage as a serious journalist . It made the British journalists look so bad. No wonder Paul falls out with his colleagues so much if journalism is about the truth and hunting for it .(trying not to have a dig at David Walsh ala Sky fan boy period )

Even Froome must have thought “Christ ,get away from me before people see this” , he’d have been as shocked as Kimmage probably was getting it on tape .

As for Movistar doc

No, spot on about the DS guys. The Giro management was a joke . Utter joke. Felt for Landa there . It’s almost like Carpaz won the Giro IN SPITE of his team . It’s a pivotal time and your ds lets you down big time . Sure he might be lovely and huggable compared to the head case they had at TDF who got exposed for being out of his Depth at the Vuelta ..but come on

Balls balls balls ,vamos, vamos

(Remember in the Giro ,the monumental cock up from Lotto sourdel in the time trial, where the recent 1 hour record holder couldn’t even get a bloody proper push from his team when he had to change bikes, actually check out the really good piece that a Bradley Wiggins did for his euro sport podcast about that incident and what a cyclist wants and expects from his team car with regard to talking etc )

Jesus , the title of the documentary said it all . They never expected Carpaz, who already had a fourth place at the Giro to win . No wonder he decked off .

Being non Spanish , and the clear jealous and childishness of someone like Soller , you could never trust your Spanish team mates to help you if one of them was also doing well . Even Valverde ! Lol. As some of us noticed, he was pretty good for not being able to hear the radio or a team mate call for a gel or help when it suited.

Imagine Carpaz fresh from a Giro And motoring well for GC for the Vuelta and he’d have one up on the lad from Jumbo Visma who had cleaned up between Feb to just before the Giro. But Valverde , still reigning world champ and recent winner of the Spanish National title ,is also sneaking up the table ..... Greg Lemond vs Le Badger times 10

Oh, and don’t forget, Nario was also in the mix ,so there’s no chance that Carpaz would be allowed to win if fresh and if clearly the strongest out of the three .

The ds would screw it up so bad that all three would fail . Soller even got screwed a bit, but he was suppose to be there for Nario and kicked up a strop for not being allowed to go. First the ds are roaring at him for going too fast and wait for Nario. Nario is struggling a bit but won’t tell them, then they scream at Soller to ignore the last instruction and ride on . He was called all sorts of names from guys who frankly, did **** all during their careers as riders . How non of the riders didn’t slap their ds lords knows, probably too tired and weak to do it

It’s good that this came out. Many of just surely had wtf moments during the last TDF . We see now that the big 3 ,regardless of your views on them, ain’t to blame .

gmacww

I watched it over the weekend and if I'm honest I thought it was quite poor. Here have lots of arty shots of lamp shades shoes on the floor. Content wise was quite minimal and the jumping around made it almost unwatchable at times. I think it benefited massively from the content drought at the moment. We've no cycling so anything cycling related is "amazing". If this was shown during a normal cycling season I think peoples reactions to it would be different.

For anyone that saw say the Paul Kimmage doc there was more content in that in 1 hour than this would have in 3 seasons at the current rate. One 6 minute episode of Mitchelton Scott BSP covers more than two episodes.

I don't think Nairo came across as bad as many had have suggested. Lacking in communication most certainly but not a bad guy.

On the whole and yes it's hard to argue consistent team awards at GT's but tactically and for focus that team is a mess. Losing concentration as the DS with your leader in the TT of a GT is un-forgivable. I can forgive the rider as he's enough to deal with but the DS in the car should be calling out everything well in advance. The fact that they missed the corner screams a lack of focus. I know I could be countered here saying you cheery picked one but here for contrast is Matt White doing the TT in the TdF with a man in about 150th place. Look at the calls, the calmness, the directions and the information difference here than with Movistar.

https://youtu.be/9mh9USnsHN0?t=142