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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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Cluedo Monopoly

I am looking forward to this by-election.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/682aed06-c233-11eb-8601-6a2ece3e4634?shareToken=5559c0fc89e2ebf05624f071c2643300

Jim O’Callaghan has denied paying for Twitter accounts to boost a video he posted about the Dublin bay south by-election, saying his office submitted a complaint to the social media site when it was brought to his attention.

Twitter confirmed to The Times that it “permanently suspended” 130 accounts that liked a post by O’Callaghan featuring a video promoting Deirdre Conroy, the party’s by-election candidate. O’Callaghan is the director of elections for Conroy, and has posted a number of videos promoting her.

rob316

This long drawn out pandemic is just about distracting the electorate on this housing crisis. Sure god love them they only realised the vulture funds were buying up estates threw a newspaper article. No clue, absolutely none previous to that.

Calhoun

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A crisis in housing is not a charter for cronies to help one another out nor for bad planning. Try again.

The optics of it if told correctly are even worse. Successive FF and FG governments who have relied on so heavily on private companies to build they are essentially manufacturing scenarios where they are giving assets (land) away.

If SF crafts that into the right narrative it could be quite damaging.

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/red-c-poll-voters-turning-to-sinn-fein-to-solve-the-housing-crisis-8eb0c4b7

Should i say even more damaging.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

We have had Eoin O'Broin and others celebrating on Twitter when planning permission for more housing gets turned down. Why? Because he is playing politics with the issue. He has zero interest in housing for people.

A crisis in housing is not a charter for cronies to help one another out nor for bad planning. Try again.

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blanch152 wrote: »

We have had Eoin O'Broin and others celebrating on Twitter when planning permission for more housing gets turned down. Why? Because he is playing politics with the issue. He has zero interest in housing for people.

It's just gifting land to developers to make a killing, more cronyism

blanch152

Shebean wrote: »

We just had SD and SF try and fail to block new housing in Finglas. No doubt we'll have people on posting about NIMBYISM and hypocrites as I've been reading. While FF patted those who got it through on the back thanking them for their work, but if you look as to why SF and the SD's objected it's because 60% will be private, 20% for social and 20% for affordable, on public land and the project will take ten years, too long in their opinion.

We have had Eoin O'Broin and others celebrating on Twitter when planning permission for more housing gets turned down. Why? Because he is playing politics with the issue. He has zero interest in housing for people.

Calhoun

Another growing mini-crisis coming for FF as we move to our outside summer. https://www.thejournal.ie/bins-toilets-dublin-city-centre-5453186-May2021/ with the comments from DCC basically saying they cannot add anymore facilities as it encourages congregating this can and will have an impact on the plans on business.

If i was Darragh right now id be giving Cóilín O'Reilly a bollocking, what was a story about people not respecting guidelines has not turned back on the local council not providing decent supports.

RandomViewer

Don't know if it was RTE or McConnalogue that put the picture of Bad Eddie behind him, strange choice

Fann Linn

Let's hope now the momentum is kept up and we get back some sense of normality. Morale is good today all round.

Finty Lemon

Solid performance from Michael Martin this evening.
Fells like a sensible pace of change.

FrancieBrady

Fair play to the government and opposition on this.
It is important that countries with our history are seen to stand up on issues like this.

https://www.thejournal.ie/israel-criticises-ireland-for-dail-vote-5449365-May2021/?utm_source=twitter_short

Billcarson

Floppybits wrote: »

The problem is that people are desperate to get housing and when they hear that FG or SD or someone is objecting to the planning permissions for housing then people get mad at them and ask why are blocking this. It may not be because they don't want certain housing in there area but more likely it is trying to stop public land being given away for peanuts.

I can see us ending up in a situation like we did in the housing boom where developers where building houses everywhere and when people bought the houses they found a myrid of problems or as is the case with a lot of them they can't get insurance.

.........and houses being built everywhere and no proper planning or foresight,lack of infrastructure etc

Floppybits

Billcarson wrote: »

Hopefully the voters won't be fooled by the Fg ff spin regarding this kind of carry on.

The problem is that people are desperate to get housing and when they hear that FG or SD or someone is objecting to the planning permissions for housing then people get mad at them and ask why are blocking this. It may not be because they don't want certain housing in there area but more likely it is trying to stop public land being given away for peanuts.

I can see us ending up in a situation like we did in the housing boom where developers where building houses everywhere and when people bought the houses they found a myrid of problems or as is the case with a lot of them they can't get insurance.

Billcarson

Floppybits wrote: »

This is the stick that FG and FF use all the time to beat anyone with who oppose housing and usually the reason for opposing the planning is that it usually involves the land being handed over to the developer as we saw in the opposition to the housing planned in Coolock/Santry. When this happens you have FF and FG as usual saying SF or SD are opposing housing when really they are opposing the giving away of land to developers. I don't think opposing planning because they are giving away land is NIMBYISM but FG especially love to throw that out there as it deflects for the absolute shambles they have made of housing. The housing issue and what we are seeing now is 100% FG fault.

Yes housing is major issue but that doesn't mean that we just hand over large tracts of land to developers for little or nothing and then they go and sell all the housing stock to vulture funds.

Hopefully the voters won't be fooled by the Fg ff spin regarding this kind of carry on.

Floppybits

Shebean wrote: »

We just had SD and SF try and fail to block new housing in Finglas. No doubt we'll have people on posting about NIMBYISM and hypocrites as I've been reading. While FF patted those who got it through on the back thanking them for their work, but if you look as to why SF and the SD's objected it's because 60% will be private, 20% for social and 20% for affordable, on public land and the project will take ten years, too long in their opinion.

This is the stick that FG and FF use all the time to beat anyone with who oppose housing and usually the reason for opposing the planning is that it usually involves the land being handed over to the developer as we saw in the opposition to the housing planned in Coolock/Santry. When this happens you have FF and FG as usual saying SF or SD are opposing housing when really they are opposing the giving away of land to developers. I don't think opposing planning because they are giving away land is NIMBYISM but FG especially love to throw that out there as it deflects for the absolute shambles they have made of housing. The housing issue and what we are seeing now is 100% FG fault.

Yes housing is major issue but that doesn't mean that we just hand over large tracts of land to developers for little or nothing and then they go and sell all the housing stock to vulture funds.

Shebean

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

They are considered casual workers and don't count towards the unemployment rate.

Yes we don't know how much are gaming the system but the same can be said of the businesses and individuals you describe in your post. So, why do the people gaming the welfare system not get much credence but the companies and individuals getting bailed out you describe do?

People not earning enough to be self sufficient, getting job seeker allowance aren't listed? Fair enough.

I mentioned gaming as part of the story that generally goes towards people on welfare being 'scrotes' as someone said. I was pointing out that we don't know how many are gaming or taking advantage so we can't put much weight or blame on these mystery people. They are anecdotal.
I can point to 41.7 billion in bailouts/generational debt and Teresa Lowe, not that that's all down to gaming but for all the crony appointments, fraud and waste we do know of, it's tough to take people throwing up 'scrotes' on welfare as a major cause.

We just had SD and SF try and fail to block new housing in Finglas. No doubt we'll have people on posting about NIMBYISM and hypocrites as I've been reading. While FF patted those who got it through on the back thanking them for their work, but if you look as to why SF and the SD's objected it's because 60% will be private, 20% for social and 20% for affordable, on public land and the project will take ten years, too long in their opinion.

AlmightyCushion

Murph85 wrote: »

Because at least they actually are working...

I don't get you. How are the unemployed working? By definition they aren't working. Even if they are working, how is it ok to game the welfare system?

Murph85

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

They are considered casual workers and don't count towards the unemployment rate.

Yes we don't know how much are gaming the system but the same can be said of the businesses and individuals you describe in your post. So, why do the people gaming the welfare system not get much credence but the companies and individuals getting bailed out you describe do?

Because at least they actually are working...

AlmightyCushion

Shebean wrote: »

If you work three days or less or had your hours reduced to that you could be eligible for Job seekers allowance. I would have thought if you received unemployment assistance you were included in any unemployment figures but I know the government like to play with numbers.

Either way if we don't know how much of the 5 or 4 % we are talking about it's difficult to give much credence to the 'scrote' elements impact on the economy. It's often used to excuse poor or crony policy.

They are considered casual workers and don't count towards the unemployment rate.

Yes we don't know how much are gaming the system but the same can be said of the businesses and individuals you describe in your post. So, why do the people gaming the welfare system not get much credence but the companies and individuals getting bailed out you describe do?

Shebean

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

No idea to be honest but the sick, part time and low income earners aren't included in the unemployment rate anyway. It does happen though.

If you work three days or less or had your hours reduced to that you could be eligible for Job seekers allowance. I would have thought if you received unemployment assistance you were included in any unemployment figures but I know the government like to play with numbers.

Either way if we don't know how much of the 5 or 4 % we are talking about it's difficult to give much credence to the 'scrote' elements impact on the economy. It's often used to excuse poor or crony policy.

AlmightyCushion

Shebean wrote: »

How many of the 4/5% unemployed, (pre covid) are we talking about? If we subtract the sick, part time and low income earners, how many are gaming or pretending do you reckon? It's a bogeyman tale.

No idea to be honest but the sick, part time and low income earners aren't included in the unemployment rate anyway. It does happen though.

Shebean

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The people who lose their job and need welfare aren't the ones people are talking about when they say some are gaming the system.

How many of the 4/5% unemployed, (pre covid) are we talking about? If we subtract the sick, part time and low income earners, how many are gaming or pretending do you reckon? It's a bogeyman tale.

RandomViewer

Fann Linn wrote: »

Well FG have distanced themselves from him and his comments now according to Sean Defoe.

I keep thinking these guys watched Rik Mayall in The New Statesman and thought it was a documentary

Fann Linn

RandomViewer wrote: »

Think you've got it arse about face

https://m.independent.ie/news/paying-child-benefit-to-all-parents-is-a-subsidy-for-them-to-have-sex-fine-gael-councillor-40462322.html

Well FG have distanced themselves from him and his comments now according to Sean Defoe.

AlmightyCushion

Shebean wrote: »

When banks or business are against the wall the tax payer is expected to take the hit. Even well to do individuals and couples can have millions written off.
But when a person loses their job and needs welfare or other supports they are 'scrotes' gaming the system, pretending.
I'd rather help out someone struggling to get by than some dodgy business, bank or RTE presenter behind on their multimillion mortgage.

The people who lose their job and need welfare aren't the ones people are talking about when they say some are gaming the system.

Shebean

When banks or business are against the wall the tax payer is expected to take the hit. Even well to do individuals and couples can have millions written off.
But when a person loses their job and needs welfare or other supports they are 'scrotes' gaming the system, pretending.
I'd rather help out someone struggling to get by than some dodgy business, bank or RTE presenter behind on their multimillion mortgage.

RandomViewer

Murph85 wrote: »

A subsidy for scrotes to have sex... I agree with him. Scrap it, cant afford kids, dont have them. Dont expect me or you to pay for them... pay welfare based on what you paid in, if you lose your job...

Think you've got it arse about face

https://m.independent.ie/news/paying-child-benefit-to-all-parents-is-a-subsidy-for-them-to-have-sex-fine-gael-councillor-40462322.html

BASHIR

Murph85 wrote: »

A subsidy for scrotes to have sex... I agree with him. Scrap it, cant afford kids, dont have them. Dont expect me or you to pay for them... pay welfare based on what you paid in, if you lose your job...

Have you read what he said?

Floppybits

UDAWINNER wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JoeEDwyer/status/1397136314852691969

Sums up Fine Gael well, plead ignorance on British Massacres but appear very knowledgeable on the IRA.
Patrick O'Donovan is a class example thinking the Ira was responsible for the Dublin/Monaghan Bombing, we vote in the smartest:D

We were told that paying higher wages to politicians to attract a wider variety of people and better politicians, all it seems to gave got us is more village idiots and more TD's whose daddy, grand daddy etc were politicians. Sean Haughty I'm looking at you.

UDAWINNER

https://twitter.com/JoeEDwyer/status/1397136314852691969

Sums up Fine Gael well, plead ignorance on British Massacres but appear very knowledgeable on the IRA.
Patrick O'Donovan is a class example thinking the Ira was responsible for the Dublin/Monaghan Bombing, we vote in the smartest:D