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Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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cannco253

"So I went Ionity, withing few minutes all 4 bays full, 1 car waiting!"

I wonder if they were ID.3 owners using up the free credits they got last year? What EVs were using Ionity out of curiosity?

AndyBoBandy

markpb wrote: »

It's hardly surprising they've been quiet, we've been in lockdown of one kind or another for almost the entire time Ionity have been live in Ireland.

I think this summer we are really going to see the pinch in public infrastructure.

I collected my EV in March 2020, and pretty much since then we've been under some form of restrictions... last summer we got to travel out and about around the country, before locking down again, but since then so so many more EV's are on our roads (think all the ID's), and while last year was still the great unknown regarding Covid, I think this year people are accepting of the fact that any holidays will largely be within Ireland, as well as random day trips all over the country.
My own personal take on it this year will be (when going beyond home range) to plan on using and rely solely on Tesla Superchargers, while taking only opportunistic charges from eCars (and add to that now Ionity) chargers if passing one and its available...

In summary, I'll no longer be planning to use eCars unless I'm desperate, and with some pre-planning, I should never get that desperate...

markpb

charlieIRL wrote: »

In all the times I've been out there, I rarely see a car charging at the ionity points.

It's hardly surprising they've been quiet, we've been in lockdown of one kind or another for almost the entire time Ionity have been live in Ireland.

charlieIRL

McGiver wrote: »

Arrived in Athlone circle K at 12pm today, business day alright, so thought it would be empty.

Free Circle K charger - 1 car charging, second waiting, I was the third. So I went Ionity, withing few minutes all 4 bays full, 1 car waiting!

This is only pre warning of what will happen next. The infrastructure will collapse. Ionity will need to to double the number of bays. Ecars are totally bonkers they're building infrastructure for 2018 not for 2021 and ahead.... They should be putting 3 chargers on each site NOW.

In all the times I've been out there, I rarely see a car charging at the ionity points.

You do know there are 4 more >50kWh chargers in Athlone as well? 2 at N6 Centre (1 high speed), 1 at KFC and one beside the Town Centre shopping centre

McGiver

Arrived in Athlone circle K at 12pm today, business day alright, so thought it would be empty.

Free Circle K charger - 1 car charging, second waiting, I was the third. So I went Ionity, withing few minutes all 4 bays full, 1 car waiting!

This is only pre warning of what will happen next. The infrastructure will collapse. Ionity will need to to double the number of bays. Ecars are totally bonkers they're building infrastructure for 2018 not for 2021 and ahead.... They should be putting 3 chargers on each site NOW.

markpb

slave1 wrote: »

Sounds like a nerfed battery pack, that car was sold with free SC most likely and if “abused” Tesla will nerf its DC charging speed

I charged at over 100kW at Kill last summer on more than one occasion. Maybe it’s been nerfed by an update since then but I’ve MCUv1 and APv2.4 so updates are thin on the ground these days.

ELM327

slave1 wrote: »

Sounds like a nerfed battery pack, that car was sold with free SC most likely and if “abused” Tesla will nerf its DC charging speed

Not to mention it's 300-350VDC as opposed to 350-400VDC so will be lower anyway

slave1

markpb wrote: »

Tesla Model X 75 with CCS adaptor.

I dropped and restarted the charge and temporarily (< 5 seconds) got 57kW but then it fell back to 24 again

Sounds like a nerfed battery pack, that car was sold with free SC most likely and if “abused” Tesla will nerf its DC charging speed

ELM327

That site works fine, i've been using it regularly until my free charging hack got nerfed.
If you're not getting proper rates from the HPC, it's the car not the charger.

Irishjg

Crickey that is disappointing alright.

markpb

Irishjg wrote: »

Which EV are you driving Mark.

Tesla Model X 75 with CCS adaptor.

I dropped and restarted the charge and temporarily (< 5 seconds) got 57kW but then it fell back to 24 again

Irishjg

markpb wrote: »

Currently getting a massive 24kW at the HPCP at Kells despite a SoC of 36% and being driven at 100kph for the last hour. Not exactly what I expected :-o

Which EV are you driving Mark.

markpb

Currently getting a massive 24kW at the HPCP at Kells despite a SoC of 36% and being driven at 100kph for the last hour. Not exactly what I expected :-o

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

Looks like from about 3.30-6.45 DC was in use at cloynes cross. Busy indeed.

I was going by there today heading to Brittas bay, there was only the one Model 3 charging around midday so not as busy

There were plenty of EVs around though, saw several Tesla's, a few i3s and another ID.4 out and about. Plus the usual mix of Leaf's and Zoe's heading around town

Charging sites are gonna be getting busier from here on our

Black_Knight

Looks like from about 3.30-6.45 DC was in use at cloynes cross. Busy indeed.

liamog

It depends on the site, usually the units are set to give a full 50kW on the DC connection (so 1 CHAdeMO or 1 CCS) and a full 43kW on the AC.
They don't load balance across the DC connectors meaning a CHAdeMO car can't charge whilst a CCS car is connected.

the_amazing_raisin

liamog wrote: »

Mad houses in Coynes Cross today, we arrived to the charger, another Mini SE was had been plugged in for around 5 mins, I figured we'd be in for a 30 minute wait.
Unfortunately the person had a problem with their charging app and couldn't end their charge. They were on hold waiting for an eCars operator, in the meantime I helped them log in via the eCars website, they were able to do so and finished their charge at 44:29.

Whilst we were waiting there were a lot of EVs show up, first was an MG5 EV, then an I3S. By this point I'd started my charge and went for a BK. Within 5 minutes I'm back, an Ioniq had shown up and connected to the FastAC whilst waiting for the CCS, there was a Zoe waiting.
Then an e-Golf arrived, and finally a pre-facelift Leaf. Sitting in the car eating my BK we saw another I3 and a facelift Leaf pull into the services and drive straight off. I think others have mentioned that Coynes is a very busy spot, hopefully it's one earmarked for a future hub.

Yeah I was there last year, there was an i3 charging when we arrived and a Leaf arrived while we were plugged in

It's kind of a natural location for people to stop when going to some of the main tourist spots as well as travelling between Dublin and the Southeast

How do those older 50kW units handle load balancing? If a car is pulling 7kW on the AC will you get a 7kW drop or will it do something dumb like cut 22kW off the DC plug?

liamog

Mad houses in Coynes Cross today, we arrived to the charger, another Mini SE was had been plugged in for around 5 mins, I figured we'd be in for a 30 minute wait.
Unfortunately the person had a problem with their charging app and couldn't end their charge. They were on hold waiting for an eCars operator, in the meantime I helped them log in via the eCars website, they were able to do so and finished their charge at 44:29.

Whilst we were waiting there were a lot of EVs show up, first was an MG5 EV, then an I3S. By this point I'd started my charge and went for a BK. Within 5 minutes I'm back, an Ioniq had shown up and connected to the FastAC whilst waiting for the CCS, there was a Zoe waiting.
Then an e-Golf arrived, and finally a pre-facelift Leaf. Sitting in the car eating my BK we saw another I3 and a facelift Leaf pull into the services and drive straight off. I think others have mentioned that Coynes is a very busy spot, hopefully it's one earmarked for a future hub.

the_amazing_raisin

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Looks like it’s ready to go and all they need are the actual units…

Coming in 2022

AndyBoBandy

Looks like it’s ready to go and all they need are the actual units…

innrain

Stopped @J14 to take some pictures. There is nothing visible to report except that there were 2 cars charging an ID4 and a Niro one on the Type2 and a third one waiting.

liamog

markpb wrote: »

This has to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. I'm all for EVs, everyone should own one, but the idea that we should be allowed to drive in bus lanes thereby completely negating the whole point of bus lanes is crazy.

As a concept it's not great, as an incentive it's highly effective. The financial motivation is all well and good, the ability to cruise past a queue of traffic can make a real difference to an individuals daily free time.

Even with todays numbers, there aren't enough EVs on the road that it would negatively affect buses, but it could never work here because bus lane enforcement doesn't exist meaning gormless drivers would just follow every ID.3.

the_amazing_raisin

markpb wrote: »

This has to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. I'm all for EVs, everyone should own one, but the idea that we should be allowed to drive in bus lanes thereby completely negating the whole point of bus lanes is crazy.

Yeah I gotta agree with that one, don't see any way that couldn't backfire

Havings said that, I also think taxis shouldn't be allowed to use bus lanes unless they're carrying passengers

I also think that Dublin should introduce emissions charges, pedestrianise large sections of the inner city, extend the Luas out to the north and west of the city, and build dedicated cycling corridiors and park and cycle facilities in the inner suburbs

So I'm probably not the best person to ask

the_amazing_raisin

fafy wrote: »

€250 to run one EV for 12 months ?, thats impressive, what kind of annual km’s are we talking here ?

2 EVs, ID.4 and a Leaf. The Leaf comes in just over €100, the ID.4 costs more due to being a heavier and less aerodynamic car, but it's possible I could do a lot better than the efficiency I estimated (22.5kWh/100km)

Based on 12,500km per year which is what we were both doing pre-covid

Now we're down to something like 6000km per year, not gonna be long before we're paying more in servicing than electricity :eek:

fafy

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

True, but home charging isn't exactly prohibitively expensive to begin with here.

In a year both our EVs use about €250 in electricity from home charging. That's doing pre-covid mileage, it's a good bit less now

You could spend that in month fueling 2 diesel cars doing the same distance

€250 to run one EV for 12 months ?, thats impressive, what kind of annual km’s are we talking here ?

markpb

liamog wrote: »

They added bus lane running for EVs early on

This has to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. I'm all for EVs, everyone should own one, but the idea that we should be allowed to drive in bus lanes thereby completely negating the whole point of bus lanes is crazy.

liamog

They added bus lane running for EVs early on, so all the rich people bought EVs to cheat on their commute.
This lead to political pressure to build a geographically good charging network.
The tax incentives meant cost parity was met much earlier than it will be here. So now for normal people you save money by purchasing an EV.
Leading to today, there is now commercial pressure to provide interurban charging services.

cannco253

Norway has its SWF with over $1.3 trillion in assets

https://www.nbim.no/en/

boccy23

As I say, there are statistics, statistics and damn lies.

I assume if we take out Google, Facebook, Pharma etc., it would have a huge effect on the GDP.

But you are correct, that we should be doing a lot more. This is the basis of the issue. The Government has not driven the infrastructure or the incentives as they should have done.

slave1

boccy23 wrote: »

It's also hard to compare the two countries based on their cost of living, tax rates, Oil money, our personal tax rates, USC, GDPs etc etc.

Ireland is actually richer than Norway, ranked 3rd in the World in GDP terms for 2020.
Norway is the second most expensive country in Europe 2021 when you look at Cost of Living, Ireland is 6th.
Norway taxed higher than Ireland.
Norway's National Debt is $117k per Capita versus Ireland's $49k

Logic therefore dictates we should be ahead of Norway from an economic perspective, hard to believe!!