ineedeuro wrote: » City centre's will not see a decline. You won't see city centre like in Dublin etc have shops close. What you are seeing in people with families etc moving outside of the major cities and to villages/town. These are people with kids etc and no longer want to live 30 mins away from a party capital. This will allow for the newer generation who want to live in these locations to move in. So the people buying in these town/villages etc live in Swords/Blanchardstown etc if you take Dublin as an example. This will have zero affect on shops in that area because as they move out people will move in. What it does is reduce the pressure on cities while regenerating villages/town. Without WFH then everyone is trying to buy in the same area and hence we have this shortage of houses in cities while town/villages in Ireland are dying. I don't see how pressure will come on school, I am from countryside, in my old school the place is dead, they could handle double the number of pupils they currently have. They just don't have the kids in the area. The local GGA teams are joining together to get numbers to play. While in Dublin you have a GAA club with 7-8 teams for each age grade because of the numbers. People lived for years in these villages./towns then due to the trend they moved away and the populations dropped. Now you are saying these towns are not capable of increasing back the population? what is that based on? you are taking one example and painting the entire country with it. Lahinch is not a representative of the rest of Ireland. I still have family who live in my old village, they are overjoyed with the fact new people are coming in. People who grew up in the area can now move back. It's not new houses they are building, a lot are buying old houses and repairing. The market for this is huge. I see thousands of positives for everyone.
ineedeuro wrote: » You are talking about two different things. If a manager is not a good manager then they are not required in the office or WFH. Replacing a bad manager with a good one should always be done. This is your post:
ineedeuro wrote: » That read to me you say middle management is bloated and WFH doesn't require them. Even in a WFH capacity managers are required, if you think it is bloated then that is a company issue no matter on location. If you think bad managers are employed again location has no bearing. If you meant something else sorry it wasn't clear in your post
floorpie wrote: » What is this weird vibe in the thread where junior people think they're more competent than their managers The lack of socialisation from WFH has gone to some of your heads I think (as surveys show, which is why WFH as we know it will end)
Sunny Disposition wrote: » I do think the change that is coming is very positive, but that there will be challenges. The main one will be dealing with urban decay, which I'd expect to be be a far greater problem by the end of the decade. Many rural areas will be able to take greater numbers of people, but it probably won't be simple, especially in the more desireable coastal areas. I hope people can see I'm not saying the changes coming from remote working are negative, I think the positives will outweigh the negatives greatly. I do believe there will be challenges though, and I don't think people realise how significant the changes will be over the next 50 years. Talk about saving rural Ireland is already out of date, that problem is not going to exist anymore, rural towns in the west are certainly going to thrive now. Basically this is fantastic news for Ireland as a whole, despite the challenges that will accompany it. Again the positives will outweigh the negatives greatly, but there will be losers here too.
Sunny Disposition wrote: » No doubt loads of people have left rural areas in Ireland and everywhere else for social life, but loads of young people have also left for career reasons. To an extent one reinforced the other, there was little happening in provincial areas because of migration, and the more people migrated the more others wanted to do so. There was something of a virtuous circle for larger urban areas, but that is changing. City centre businesses that depended on office workers are facing a very uncertain future. For example a multi storey car park I use in Limerick was nearly full every weekday morning. If the number of office workers in that area is still down by 50% or more in 2022 then that business is in serious long term decline. There's a Spar a few doors away where you wouldn't exactly do your weekly shopping, but could get a coffee and a sandwich if you wanted it, heaps of similar businesses in city centres are going to close or employ fewer staff. The decline of city centres, ones that were based on the spending of office workers anyway, is inevitable. What's important now is that this is planned for and managed. Back 30 years ago cities were trying to get cultural areas going, but this kinda got ruined by the property boom. There's going to be a chance to revisit this now with less demand for city centre properties. We have a terrible history of bad planning and spatial strategies in Ireland, and the fact that remote working became so common so fast doesn't encourage much hope unfortunately.
PhilOssophy wrote: » Honestly, I won't cry a river for the car park owner who charged 2-3 euro an hour, or the Spar who charges fiver for a roll and 3 euro for a coffee. City centres have survived a brutal recession from the late noughties to the early tens, they need to be more creative in their approach. There is still enough people who want to live in cities, to mean they'll need to adapt their approach. The high street has been dying for years as people move to online shopping, that isn't today or yesterday's problem. The rural town will benefit massively from remote working, for years we've been saying we need families to be able to live in these towns and not spend 2-3 hours a day in a car to get to work. Remote working has changed the goal posts, and there will be opportunities for all sides post pandemic whether they prefer the office or remote working. It took a pandemic to show it could work is the biggest farce of all. Anything which means less congestion, less packed buses, etc is a good days work.
ineedeuro wrote: » https://www.image.ie/editorial/people-rural-ireland-130510 This was only 12 months ago, yes more people are working from home but I don't see mass exodus to the country yet so saying rural ireland issue is resolved is getting ahead now. In terms of city centre business depending on workers. Having 20 coffee shops in a 5 mile radius is what most city centres are now, closing them down and getting more unique shops etc focused on bringing families in at weekend should be a priority. The likes of Dublin will alwyas have a huge amount of people working in it, business are not going to close overnight. What you will see is instead of 100% of a company based in a city centre you could maybe have 40% WFH which gives the best for everyone. I again say, closing one or two Starbucks is no harm
Young_gunner wrote: » Couldn't agree more. this a massive opportunity to re-prioritise quality of life and family time, we have to take it
Sunny Disposition wrote: » I would think there's no doubt it will happen, because the interests of business who don't want office space intersect with their workers who want to be at home. But its important that the country plans for what's happening, it's a huge change and the full implications won't be seen for at least 30 years.
Sunny Disposition wrote: » Even 40% of office workers going out of a city centre is massive, it means a huge change in spending and there definitely needs to be a major policy response from central government and local authorities. But the local authorities would be very lucky to keep the number at 40%. My concern is there will be a drift, with almost nothing done for a few years. It is very hard for local authorities to respond of course, but they need to plan for city centres with much less footfall now.
Young_gunner wrote: » I really hope you're right. The WFH and no commuting has been a total gift, really felt like life was passing me by, stuck on a merry go round and every week just blended into one. I know it sounds a bit grandiose, but the wfh has been transformative. I don't ever think I've been this content, productive and just happy. You get so much more out of your life.
dashoonage wrote: » Lads, have people the inability to socially interact outside of the work environment or what's the crack ? Big bad world out there outside of the watercooler chats lads....
Strumms wrote: » This, people who I socialize with I choose to socialize with... work colleagues are just people I work with. Get on with some more then others, some I’ve considered work ‘friends’... They get forgotten about at 6pm each evening and I’d think about them not for a millisecond at the weekends.. It’s mad how many people identify with a job, workplace and colleagues as an extreme social extension and almost family mindset.... I go to work to earn, I just try and enjoy, have some craic and do what I need to...and leave.
Del2005 wrote: » There's tax implications for companies if their staff are remotely working in different countries. So they'll make staff come in a few days to make sure that they are resident in the country where they are employed.
PhilOssophy wrote: » The good thing is, that there's room for both in the new ways of working. If people want to work 100% remote, they will be able to find a role which will facilitate it. If people want to go into an office 5 days a week, thy will find a place which will facilitate it too. Both will have room in our post Covid world.
krissovo wrote: » From Monday we will officially have no offices we have just been informed. Turns out they have spent the last 12 months re-modeling the old offices and they are now to be known as Innovation and Collaboration Hubs. In fairness they have done a great job and it looks a great place to work from when you need to as it is zoned for different uses. We have the following spaces: Customer, Collaboration, Focus, Connect & Social, Rest & relax, Wellbeing, learning zones We are all now officially home based and can claim travel expenses & hotel if needed when attending the hub.
Young_gunner wrote: » the dream!
krissovo wrote: » We are all now officially home based and can claim travel expenses & hotel if needed when attending the hub.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Have Revenue signed off on the expenses ?
Swindled wrote: » WFH on a large scale has finally exposed the sham of layer upon layer of bloated middle management and bureaucracy and enormous office and real estate requirements for what it is, employees knew it, and now Business owners know it as well.
kippy wrote: » This is not necessarily a good thing though.....
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