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El_Duderino 09

F1 to consider an Indi rule that would mean anyone who causes a red flag in quali has their time deleted. It doesn't look like they're going to change the rule but it wouldn't be a bad idea in Monaco at least.

Motorsport.com: FIA to look at IndyCar rule that would have denied Leclerc pole.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-to-look-at-indycar-rule-that-would-have-denied-leclerc-pole/6515091/amp/

Jordan 199

The McLaren MP4-25A driven by Lewis Hamilton will be auctioned at the British GP in July, estimated to take between $5m to $7m.

flazio

The approaching Indy 500 has got me thinking.
Looks like The USA have nearly gotten on top of Covid 19 and the US GP is likely to go ahead with something resembling full capacity.
Mexico and Brazil would still be a concern however. I'm wondering if Indiapolis infield might come into consideration if one of those had to pull out.

El_Duderino 09

LIGHTNING wrote: »

In the lower categories that's often the rule, you cause a red flag and your out.

It's not a bad rule (certainly for Monaco). I wouldn't be a big proponent of the rule put i wouldn't object if they bring it in either.

SureYWouldntYa

If nothing else it would end the talk of someone crashing intentionally

duploelabs

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

F1 to consider an Indi rule that would mean anyone who causes a red flag in quali has their time deleted. It doesn't look like they're going to change the rule but it wouldn't be a bad idea in Monaco at least.

Motorsport.com: FIA to look at IndyCar rule that would have denied Leclerc pole.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-to-look-at-indycar-rule-that-would-have-denied-leclerc-pole/6515091/amp/

And was it Rosberg too that ran wide and blocked the exit before the entrance to the hairpin? Causing a stop to the quali and securing him pole

El_Duderino 09

duploelabs wrote: »

And was it Rosberg too that ran wide and blocked the exit before the entrance to the hairpin? Causing a stop to the quali and securing him pole

Yes but i think that only caused a double waved yellow flag rather than a red flag. The Mercedes went out in tandem in quali and he knew Lewis was right behind him and the waved yellow flag thwarted Lewis' lap as successfully as a red flag. But it didn't cause a red flag - i think

the_pen_turner

I would rather a system that anyone on a flying lap at the time got another lap

Santan

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I would rather a system that anyone on a flying lap at the time got another lap

Much easier solution, which means it would never be used

duploelabs

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I would rather a system that anyone on a flying lap at the time got another lap

Well that's not logistically possible as they have to finish the qualifying at a certain time

TheQ_Man

Dear oh dear

https://twitter.com/hotlapmode/status/1397133357130129408?s=21

Gaoth Laidir

Re. qualifying red flag, you don't even need to cause a red flag to scupper others' qualifying, just a yellow near the end of the session will do.

Charlie-Bravo

I hope the FIA stick a big weight on the front of that Merc to test it.

flazio

There's a programme on TG4 right now about school kids making F1 cars. (in Irish with subtitles)

the_pen_turner

duploelabs wrote: »

Well that's not logistically possible as they have to finish the qualifying at a certain time

Surely there is a way around that. Start qualifying earlier

duploelabs

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Surely there is a way around that. Start qualifying earlier

There's still the other races of the weekend that couldn't be shortened

El_Duderino 09

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Surely there is a way around that. Start qualifying earlier

Start qualifying earlier just in case there's a red flag at the end of quali caused by the person currently on pole?

the_pen_turner

all im saying is that everything should be shedueled to allow for this. its only 10min max unless there is major damage and that would delay things anyway.
F1 is suposed to be the pinicle of the sport. surely it should get priority .
its only going to happen once or twice a season anyway so not a major scedueling issue.

Debub

On the reasons why Danny Ric is slower than Norris

Seidl says McLaren is doing everything it can to try to help Ricciardo, but suggests the root of the problem is that the 2021 MCL35M does not require a normal style of driving. “I think if you look back since the beginning of the season, we have made good steps forward with him,” said Seidl.
“But in order to drive our car fast at the moment, you need a special driving style which is not natural for Daniel. That's why it's not so easy for him to get the laps in and extract the performance.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclarens-special-driving-style-is-whats-hurting-ricciardo/6515806/

duploelabs

Debub wrote: »

On the reasons why Danny Ric is slower than Norris

Seidl says McLaren is doing everything it can to try to help Ricciardo, but suggests the root of the problem is that the 2021 MCL35M does not require a normal style of driving. “I think if you look back since the beginning of the season, we have made good steps forward with him,” said Seidl.
“But in order to drive our car fast at the moment, you need a special driving style which is not natural for Daniel. That's why it's not so easy for him to get the laps in and extract the performance.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclarens-special-driving-style-is-whats-hurting-ricciardo/6515806/

Without reading the article, first thing to mind that stands out would be DR needing a car that brakes extremely well

Joeface

Sainz has driven 4 different cars in 6 years , while the First Three were Renault powered at least he had the Chassis and inter team differences to adapt to the Ferrari .

Vettel has drive Renault and Ferrari power but spent a long time in each , But adapted reasonable well to Aston Martin as of now..

Perez has done pretty well considering the amount of Time he spent with Force India/Aston but his Adapting has been hit and miss but smooth enough

Dainel Ricciardo has only ever driven Renault power. even with the change to Renault team they could adapt the car a little to suit him , Mclaren car is proven by Sainz and Norris performances last season so with the Engine change this has only added to Daniel Ricciardo. Vettel even mentions talking to Ricciardo about some of differences they were find between how the cars handle .

One additional thing to throw in is If it had been a normal season start eg 2019 after the Opening Season test and the first 2 races all drivers would be in around 3800km in their cars ......... They have only passed that mark in Monaco . So that is a lot of time to adjust to the cars.

I am surprised still that Ricciardo struggled , His race pace has been fine some weekends but he is a long way back in Qualifying .

SureYWouldntYa

I can't recall where I saw it, but some of Ricciardo's issues are supposedly down to differences in brakes

The way Danny normally trail brakes is causing understeer in the car or something along those lines, if you're not confident under the brakes you can find every corner difficult and that in the past was where he was so good. He might be braking earlier, or if he has issues in the corner he mightn't get the power down as early as Lando would

I don't know if its as simple as just Renault power

guyfo

duploelabs wrote: »

Well that's not logistically possible as they have to finish the qualifying at a certain time

Well that's just wrong, we have all watched qualifying sessions that have dragged on because of red flag stoppages, some of those being fairly lengthy too!

El_Duderino 09

Joeface wrote: »

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Dainel Ricciardo has only ever driven Renault power. even with the change to Renault team they could adapt the car a little to suit him , Mclaren car is proven by Sainz and Norris performances last season so with the Engine change this has only added to Daniel Ricciardo. Vettel even mentions talking to Ricciardo about some of differences they were find between how the cars handle .

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Small edit. Ricciardo drove the Ferrari in the TR in 2011. Long time ago though.

Joeface

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Small edit. Ricciardo drove the Ferrari in the TR in 2011. Long time ago though.

I thought that , but then could remember if Sainz drove Ferrari TR as well and then decide I was too lazy to google

PopePalpatine

Danny Ric also drove the Cosworth-powered heap that was the Hispania F111 all the way back in 2011.

[Deleted User]

I watched this video yesterday and it really drives home the tiny margins in motorsport. It's only a videogame but using ghosts you can see that miniscule differences can add up to a second a lap even when you can see exactly where others do things differently.
In real life with actual danger and consequences that's all magnified and even moreso in F1. A tiny lack of confidence through a couple of corners and that's half a second. It really is insane when you break down the differences.

Ricciardo is a top tier driver but it turns out that messing with a fundamental driving characteristic can bring them down from orbit with a bang.

duploelabs

guyfo wrote: »

Well that's just wrong, we have all watched qualifying sessions that have dragged on because of red flag stoppages, some of those being fairly lengthy too!

In fairness, I was responding to the question why they don't start the races earlier, not extending to running them later

duploelabs

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I watched this video yesterday and it really drives home the tiny margins in motorsport. It's only a videogame but using ghosts you can see that miniscule differences can add up to a second a lap even when you can see exactly where others do things differently.
In real life with actual danger and consequences that's all magnified and even moreso in F1. A tiny lack of confidence through a couple of corners and that's half a second. It really is insane when you break down the differences.

Ricciardo is a top tier driver but it turns out that messing with a fundamental driving characteristic can bring them down from orbit with a bang.

In respect to SuperGT, he's not even at the top tier of Gran Turismo players so when you watch the likes of Tigney or Kie, then margins demanded are even closer

[Deleted User]

duploelabs wrote: »

In respect to SuperGT, he's not even at the top tier of Gran Turismo players so when you watch the likes of Tigney or Kie, then margins demanded are even closer

Ah yeah he's not top level but a second a lap sounds like he's miles off but it's pretty tiny differences while sitting at a desk.