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El_Duderino 09

Joeface wrote: »

Only Alpine Have confirmed so far that they have Updates to the car for BAKU , hopefully to make them as competitive as they were suppose to be in Monaco .

Renault started very poor last year and they brought little incremental improvements to every race. By half way through the season they were pretty competitive and much more competitive than the first few races.

Wouldn't be surprised if they took the same approach again this year.

Starlord_01

klose wrote: »

Are we excited for Baku? Will we get a back marker podium like stroll for Williams? Or a driver ramming his teammate up his arse ala redbull?

Hopefully - some controversy would be great

Jordan 199

klose wrote: »

Are we excited for Baku? Will we get a back marker podium like stroll for Williams? Or a driver ramming his teammate up his arse ala redbull?

I most certainly am! What about you Miroslav?

klose

Are we excited for Baku? Will we get a back marker podium like stroll for Williams? Or a driver ramming his teammate up his arse ala redbull?

Joeface

Only Alpine Have confirmed so far that they have Updates to the car for BAKU , hopefully to make them as competitive as they were suppose to be in Monaco .

duploelabs

AMKC wrote: »

I know there is a thread somewhere on Hamilton but can't be arsed to go look now so if a moderator wants to move this they are welcome too,

Hamiltons love life seems to be none exist since Nicole Scherzinger. So who do you think would be a good match for him.

Here is two options I think would be good,

1) Naomi Osaka: but maybe she might be a bit young

2) Katie Taylor: but had on Irish mammy on FB say no just no but no idea why.

So who would make a good pairing with him?

Who cares what's happening in his love life, completely irrelevant to the sport

AMKC

I know there is a thread somewhere on Hamilton but can't be arsed to go look now so if a moderator wants to move this they are welcome too,

Hamiltons love life seems to be none exist since Nicole Scherzinger. So who do you think would be a good match for him.

Here is two options I think would be good,

1) Naomi Osaka: but maybe she might be a bit young

2) Katie Taylor: but had on Irish mammy on FB say no just no but no idea why.

So who would make a good pairing with him?

El_Duderino 09

quokula wrote: »

A couple of other things changed in 2021, in that there was less testing mileage preseason, but also the practice sessions at each weekend are shorter than before. I'm not sure if the budget caps will have limited simulator time too.

We've seen this with a number of drivers. Ricciardo and Alonso have really struggled uncharacteristically. Rookies like Tsunoda and Mazepin have been dreadful - Mick Schumacher is coping better than Mazepin but who knows where he'd stand relative to a Grosjean or Magnussen. Perez continues to struggle in qualifying and although he's better on Sunday, he's still miles away from his teammate.

Vettel and Sainz seem to be the only drivers who've really gotten on top of things, Vettel taking slightly longer which is understandable given that his car spent almost the entirety of testing and a couple of the early season practice sessions broken down so he had way fewer laps than anyone else to get acclimatised. Sainz has basically been on the pace from day one. I don't know if the fact that he signed to Ferrari so early last year helped him get a head start in the simulator or anything, or maybe it's just a comfortable car to jump into from the McLaren.

I think there's a cap on wind tunnel time and runs (and the computer generated version where they simulate a wind tunnel called Computerised Fluid Dynamics, (CFD)). But I don't think there's any limit on the time Ricciardo can spend in the mclaren simulator.

Sainz has been close to leclerc, but he's not on leclercs pace yet. He's probably closer than some people ever expected him to get to leclerc (doubly impressive when you consider how far the other driver who moved teams are from their teammates) but I think leclerc is still in charge of that battle.

Vettel has had 2 good weekends in a row out of 5. Not bad, but not really an indication of how he's doing. Monaco was very good result but the track is so unsuitable it doesn't give a clear indication of anything. If he can consistently beat stroll then that's a good sign that his form funk could be over. Consistency has been one of his big problems in the last few years so we'll have to wait and see how he does in the coming weekends.

quokula

A couple of other things changed in 2021, in that there was less testing mileage preseason, but also the practice sessions at each weekend are shorter than before. I'm not sure if the budget caps will have limited simulator time too.

We've seen this with a number of drivers. Ricciardo and Alonso have really struggled uncharacteristically. Rookies like Tsunoda and Mazepin have been dreadful - Mick Schumacher is coping better than Mazepin but who knows where he'd stand relative to a Grosjean or Magnussen. Perez continues to struggle in qualifying and although he's better on Sunday, he's still miles away from his teammate.

Vettel and Sainz seem to be the only drivers who've really gotten on top of things, Vettel taking slightly longer which is understandable given that his car spent almost the entirety of testing and a couple of the early season practice sessions broken down so he had way fewer laps than anyone else to get acclimatised. Sainz has basically been on the pace from day one. I don't know if the fact that he signed to Ferrari so early last year helped him get a head start in the simulator or anything, or maybe it's just a comfortable car to jump into from the McLaren.

[Deleted User]

duploelabs wrote: »

In respect to SuperGT, he's not even at the top tier of Gran Turismo players so when you watch the likes of Tigney or Kie, then margins demanded are even closer

Ah yeah he's not top level but a second a lap sounds like he's miles off but it's pretty tiny differences while sitting at a desk.

duploelabs

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I watched this video yesterday and it really drives home the tiny margins in motorsport. It's only a videogame but using ghosts you can see that miniscule differences can add up to a second a lap even when you can see exactly where others do things differently.
In real life with actual danger and consequences that's all magnified and even moreso in F1. A tiny lack of confidence through a couple of corners and that's half a second. It really is insane when you break down the differences.

Ricciardo is a top tier driver but it turns out that messing with a fundamental driving characteristic can bring them down from orbit with a bang.

In respect to SuperGT, he's not even at the top tier of Gran Turismo players so when you watch the likes of Tigney or Kie, then margins demanded are even closer

duploelabs

guyfo wrote: »

Well that's just wrong, we have all watched qualifying sessions that have dragged on because of red flag stoppages, some of those being fairly lengthy too!

In fairness, I was responding to the question why they don't start the races earlier, not extending to running them later

[Deleted User]

I watched this video yesterday and it really drives home the tiny margins in motorsport. It's only a videogame but using ghosts you can see that miniscule differences can add up to a second a lap even when you can see exactly where others do things differently.
In real life with actual danger and consequences that's all magnified and even moreso in F1. A tiny lack of confidence through a couple of corners and that's half a second. It really is insane when you break down the differences.

Ricciardo is a top tier driver but it turns out that messing with a fundamental driving characteristic can bring them down from orbit with a bang.

PopePalpatine

Danny Ric also drove the Cosworth-powered heap that was the Hispania F111 all the way back in 2011.

Joeface

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Small edit. Ricciardo drove the Ferrari in the TR in 2011. Long time ago though.

I thought that , but then could remember if Sainz drove Ferrari TR as well and then decide I was too lazy to google

El_Duderino 09

Joeface wrote: »

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Dainel Ricciardo has only ever driven Renault power. even with the change to Renault team they could adapt the car a little to suit him , Mclaren car is proven by Sainz and Norris performances last season so with the Engine change this has only added to Daniel Ricciardo. Vettel even mentions talking to Ricciardo about some of differences they were find between how the cars handle .

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Small edit. Ricciardo drove the Ferrari in the TR in 2011. Long time ago though.

guyfo

duploelabs wrote: »

Well that's not logistically possible as they have to finish the qualifying at a certain time

Well that's just wrong, we have all watched qualifying sessions that have dragged on because of red flag stoppages, some of those being fairly lengthy too!

SureYWouldntYa

I can't recall where I saw it, but some of Ricciardo's issues are supposedly down to differences in brakes

The way Danny normally trail brakes is causing understeer in the car or something along those lines, if you're not confident under the brakes you can find every corner difficult and that in the past was where he was so good. He might be braking earlier, or if he has issues in the corner he mightn't get the power down as early as Lando would

I don't know if its as simple as just Renault power

Joeface

Sainz has driven 4 different cars in 6 years , while the First Three were Renault powered at least he had the Chassis and inter team differences to adapt to the Ferrari .

Vettel has drive Renault and Ferrari power but spent a long time in each , But adapted reasonable well to Aston Martin as of now..

Perez has done pretty well considering the amount of Time he spent with Force India/Aston but his Adapting has been hit and miss but smooth enough

Dainel Ricciardo has only ever driven Renault power. even with the change to Renault team they could adapt the car a little to suit him , Mclaren car is proven by Sainz and Norris performances last season so with the Engine change this has only added to Daniel Ricciardo. Vettel even mentions talking to Ricciardo about some of differences they were find between how the cars handle .

One additional thing to throw in is If it had been a normal season start eg 2019 after the Opening Season test and the first 2 races all drivers would be in around 3800km in their cars ......... They have only passed that mark in Monaco . So that is a lot of time to adjust to the cars.

I am surprised still that Ricciardo struggled , His race pace has been fine some weekends but he is a long way back in Qualifying .

duploelabs

Debub wrote: »

On the reasons why Danny Ric is slower than Norris

Seidl says McLaren is doing everything it can to try to help Ricciardo, but suggests the root of the problem is that the 2021 MCL35M does not require a normal style of driving. “I think if you look back since the beginning of the season, we have made good steps forward with him,” said Seidl.
“But in order to drive our car fast at the moment, you need a special driving style which is not natural for Daniel. That's why it's not so easy for him to get the laps in and extract the performance.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclarens-special-driving-style-is-whats-hurting-ricciardo/6515806/

Without reading the article, first thing to mind that stands out would be DR needing a car that brakes extremely well

Debub

On the reasons why Danny Ric is slower than Norris

Seidl says McLaren is doing everything it can to try to help Ricciardo, but suggests the root of the problem is that the 2021 MCL35M does not require a normal style of driving. “I think if you look back since the beginning of the season, we have made good steps forward with him,” said Seidl.
“But in order to drive our car fast at the moment, you need a special driving style which is not natural for Daniel. That's why it's not so easy for him to get the laps in and extract the performance.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclarens-special-driving-style-is-whats-hurting-ricciardo/6515806/

the_pen_turner

all im saying is that everything should be shedueled to allow for this. its only 10min max unless there is major damage and that would delay things anyway.
F1 is suposed to be the pinicle of the sport. surely it should get priority .
its only going to happen once or twice a season anyway so not a major scedueling issue.

El_Duderino 09

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Surely there is a way around that. Start qualifying earlier

Start qualifying earlier just in case there's a red flag at the end of quali caused by the person currently on pole?

duploelabs

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Surely there is a way around that. Start qualifying earlier

There's still the other races of the weekend that couldn't be shortened

the_pen_turner

duploelabs wrote: »

Well that's not logistically possible as they have to finish the qualifying at a certain time

Surely there is a way around that. Start qualifying earlier

flazio

There's a programme on TG4 right now about school kids making F1 cars. (in Irish with subtitles)

Charlie-Bravo

I hope the FIA stick a big weight on the front of that Merc to test it.

Gaoth Laidir

Re. qualifying red flag, you don't even need to cause a red flag to scupper others' qualifying, just a yellow near the end of the session will do.

TheQ_Man

Dear oh dear

https://twitter.com/hotlapmode/status/1397133357130129408?s=21

duploelabs

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I would rather a system that anyone on a flying lap at the time got another lap

Well that's not logistically possible as they have to finish the qualifying at a certain time