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liamog

Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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boccy23

It's also hard to compare the two countries based on their cost of living, tax rates, Oil money, our personal tax rates, USC, GDPs etc etc.

liamog

innrain wrote: »

Yes forgot this. But how did they get here? What is the biggest hurdle the ICE drivers mention when saying the don't switch to EV? Is it the infrastructure? How many MW are we adding to the newtork per year?

They exempted EVs from some very high taxes on the import of vehicles. If we rolled out a similar system a Ford Fiesta would double in price overnight.

ELM327

boccy23 wrote: »

Are Norwegian's paying for Electricity now? They definitely didn't before. Work colleague of mine said that to thaw their drives, all of them had electric heat mats as the electricity was free, they didn't care about usage.

It was totally free up to about 7-8 years ago, now it's still cheap but not free.

innrain

liamog wrote: »

54% of new vehicle sales were EV in 2020 in Norway.
4.5% of new vehicle sales were EV in 2020 in Ireland.

We're a few years from a station like that being viable in Ireland.

Yes forgot this. But how did they get here? What is the biggest hurdle the ICE drivers mention when saying the don't switch to EV? Is it the infrastructure? How many MW are we adding to the newtork per year?

the_amazing_raisin

boccy23 wrote: »

If the home charging was free, then it's easy to see why the EV Sales would rocket.

True, but home charging isn't exactly prohibitively expensive to begin with here.

In a year both our EVs use about €250 in electricity from home charging. That's doing pre-covid mileage, it's a good bit less now

You could spend that in month fueling 2 diesel cars doing the same distance

boccy23

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I don't know about home electricity but they definitely pay for public charging in most places

I believe some uses of electricity are free in Norway, but not all

For example I remember reading that there's a bunch of free to use electric sockets in public parking spaces. ICE cars plug in to them to preheat the engine in winter otherwise it wouldn't start

If the home charging was free, then it's easy to see why the EV Sales would rocket.

the_amazing_raisin

boccy23 wrote: »

Are Norwegian's paying for Electricity now? They definitely didn't before. Work colleague of mine said that to thaw their drives, all of them had electric heat mats as the electricity was free, they didn't care about usage.

I don't know about home electricity but they definitely pay for public charging in most places

I believe some uses of electricity are free in Norway, but not all

For example I remember reading that there's a bunch of free to use electric sockets in public parking spaces. ICE cars plug in to them to preheat the engine in winter otherwise it wouldn't start

the_amazing_raisin

liamog wrote: »

Of course, but in order for the you to profit from your customers they have to exist in the first place. You wouldn't make a profit on your coffee counter if you 3 people an hour stopping for a charge.

I agree, but Circle K was smart and made a combined charging/petrol station

Other side has petrol pumps, best of both worlds

boccy23

liamog wrote: »

54% of new vehicle sales were EV in 2020 in Norway.
4.5% of new vehicle sales were EV in 2020 in Ireland.

We're a few years from a station like that being viable in Ireland.

Are Norwegian's paying for Electricity now? They definitely didn't before. Work colleague of mine said that to thaw their drives, all of them had electric heat mats as the electricity was free, they didn't care about usage.

mr potato head

Unfortunately it's a loop... infrastructure is delayed because there isn't the market volume and people don't adopt EVs because they perceive there is no infrastructure

Probably needs some form of support/incentive to break, but also by the time planning and construction happens there is likely to be a better market size.

bodgerfederer

"Profit for service stations has always been on the food and drink, not the fuel."

With this in mind and freed from the constraints of having to trade in oil, it would make sense for more upmarket service stations to appear.

there's gorgeous franchise free farm shop food service station in Gloucester - something like that with a bank of chargers and you'd never think of going elsewhere.
https://www.gloucesterservices.com/

liamog

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Profit for service stations has always been on the food and drink, not the fuel. Same will likely apply to EVs as ICE cars

Of course, but in order for the you to profit from your customers they have to exist in the first place. You wouldn't make a profit on your coffee counter if you 3 people an hour stopping for a charge.

the_amazing_raisin

liamog wrote: »

54% of new vehicle sales were EV in 2020 in Norway.
4.5% of new vehicle sales were EV in 2020 in Ireland.

We're a few years from a station like that being viable in Ireland.

Profit for service stations has always been on the food and drink, not the fuel. Same will likely apply to EVs as ICE cars

We've seen again and again that good charging infrastructure drives EV sales

Case in point, 54% EV sales in Norway in 2020

Even with half the chargers it would still beat anything we've got at the moment. Just the level of service around the chargers (shelter, bins, vacuum) is miles ahead

The typical DC charger in most service stations is shoved in the back like they're ashamed of it

liamog

innrain wrote: »

I have seen it last night. What can I say: impressive.

Let's roll the excuses: We're a small island..., they are very rich.., is economically unfeasible..., 99% charges @ home ..., did I miss something ?

54% of new vehicle sales were EV in 2020 in Norway.
4.5% of new vehicle sales were EV in 2020 in Ireland.

We're a few years from a station like that being viable in Ireland.

innrain

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

The future of motorway service stations

Coming soon to every country in the world, except Ireland... :rolleyes:

I have seen it last night. What can I say: impressive.

Let's roll the excuses: We're a small island..., they are very rich.., is economically unfeasible..., 99% charges @ home ..., did I miss something ?

cannco253

Isn't it time for another "what's happening at J14" round of posts?

Black_Knight

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

The future of motorway service stations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro

Fixed (Just put the 4TVohXHjLro part in youtube tags)

the_amazing_raisin

The future of motorway service stations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro

8x 300kW dual head fast chargers, 2x CCS and 1x Chademo on every charger to keep everyone happy. Petrol pump style so they won't be ICEd
Covered chargers to keep the weather off
Vacuuming and possibly air and water, as well as bins beside the chargers so you can clean up the car while waiting
Big cafe area with lots of hot food and seating
Outdoor playground so the kids can run about
Solar panel and grid battery to keep it green

The only thing it's missing is an indoor soft play area so the kids can burn off some energy when it's raining without killing each other

Coming soon to every country in the world, except Ireland... :rolleyes:

slave1

Just one thing, as a 2 BEV household were we unable to simultaneously charge last year using two separate cards/app combination, likely not an issue to arise too often I'd say, eCars had no solution

Silent Running

Black_Knight wrote: »

End of the summer? What makes you think that? They've been replacing those units for about 18 months now and still over 100 old ones there. On the ESB site they have a link to a pdf of the units to be replaced.

As with all things ecars, he didn't say what year.

liamog

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Thanks, did you add a member as well? It'd be nice to have different names on both cards, rather than tracking card numbers

Yes, she's down as her own member and can sign in using her own email address.
The charge shows which member initiated the charge even when she does so from the app.

Black_Knight

cannco253 wrote: »

Thanks Black Knight

So roughly by then end of the summer all the old units should be replaced - what's the plan after that, or does anyone know?

End of the summer? What makes you think that? They've been replacing those units for about 18 months now and still over 100 old ones there. On the ESB site they have a link to a pdf of the units to be replaced.

the_amazing_raisin

liamog wrote: »

Yes you can add a second car/card to the account. They will charge you €10 for the privilege (even if you already have a card from when they were free)
You end up with one PAYG balance.

We consolidated our two accounts into one when the free subscription ended.

Thanks, did you add a member as well? It'd be nice to have different names on both cards, rather than tracking card numbers

handpref

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Does anyone know if you add a second card to a PAYG account will they both be billed from the same card or will I have to top them up separately?

Also, is there any use to adding a second user? Does that effectively create a separate account or does it just put a name against each card?

Basically I'd like to get a second card but a don't see any use in have another €20 tied up in credit if I can avoid it

Two cards one account is how we do it. One card in each ev. When I rang ecars to do it two call centre staff said it couldn’t be done, the third guy did it no problem, both on payg credit card account.

liamog

Yes you can add a second car/card to the account. They will charge you €10 for the privilege (even if you already have a card from when they were free)
You end up with one PAYG balance.

We consolidated our two accounts into one when the free subscription ended.

the_amazing_raisin

Does anyone know if you add a second card to a PAYG account will they both be billed from the same card or will I have to top them up separately?

Also, is there any use to adding a second user? Does that effectively create a separate account or does it just put a name against each card?

Basically I'd like to get a second card but a don't see any use in have another €20 tied up in credit if I can avoid it

liamog

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

And its May, 2021.

Indeed, meaning it bodes well for them completing the upgrades in the timeframe they said they would.

Hopefully SIMI will start putting pressure on the government to roll out a second phase of expansion to account for all the IDs that have been sold.

the_amazing_raisin

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Meanwhile at the brand new unit in New Ross…..
(At least we know now why it’s blocked off)
(Getting ready for all those Mustang Mach-e’s coming…)

To be fair, that does look kinda cool

AndyBoBandy

Meanwhile at the brand new unit in New Ross…..
(At least we know now why it’s blocked off)
(Getting ready for all those Mustang Mach-e’s coming…)

AndyBoBandy

liamog wrote: »

As far as we know the plan is still roughly inline with the first post on this thread, the big outstanding piece of work is the hub rollouts. The first one is currently underway at J14 Midway.

And its May, 2021.