wrangler wrote: » They are selling the land but the advisor told them they can put the entitlements from the sold land onto forestry that they have. but that forestry also has it's own entitlements on it already, he's probably right and we're missing something
wrangler wrote: » It forestry they sowed in the last 10 years, don't know what's in it but the forestry is land that had entitlements of it's own and they were allowed keep using them, I can understand that but selling land and still being able to use the entitlements I can't understand
MIKEKC wrote: » Forestry planted I think it's from 2015 is eligible for BPS if it is naked land you would imagine one could put the entitlements on it.
kevthegaff wrote: » Can you plant and claim bps
Western Pomise wrote: » The Front page of the Journal didn't make reading this week with it looking like the Agriculture Sector in Ireland will be given far less Carbon credits for actions taken by farmers in the new incoming Schemes replacing likes of Glas. Looking more and like we will have to jump through plenty of hoops to get less of a payment than were out of likes of Glas and the old REPS:(
Grueller wrote: » If that's the case they can keep the payments
Bass Reeves wrote: » Convergence is becoming a dog fight.https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/convergence-frustration-i-feel-very-sore-to-be-giving-to-guys-who-have-done-nothing/ One thing I notice this time compared to the 2015 is that the IFA viewpoint is countered balanced. As well the ICSA has shifted from bring completely on the the same wavelength as the IFA to slightly moving from there stand point looking for payment to be pushed towards less profitable farming from dairying. One thing that I see again that is coming to the fore( I pointed it out 2-3 years ago ) but taught it had drifted away with convergence is a flat rate greening/ environmental payment. Greening is going to make up a minimum of 20% of your payment and could be 30%. If it's flat rated it will be 50-80 euro payment/HA accross all farms. Just to give an example of its effect if 25%. BPS+greening at present high 500/unit New payment BISS=375 Greening/Envir 65euro Total payment =440euro/HA BPS+greening at present low 150/unit New payment BISS= 112 Greening/Envir 65euro Total payment =177/HA As well not the fight seems not to be over Convergence it whether it 85% or 100% convergence. In that case the 500/unit payment would end up at 385ish/HA and the 150 will climb to about 240/HA euro. Front loading will definitely became a talking point if these figures happen. There would be a push to load the first 20HA by 20-30 euro/HA to soften the blow to smaller farmers. This might be paid for out of capping of payments. Another side effect of these changes is that BISS payment is Pillar 1 but greening/environment is considered Pillar 2. Because of this any attempt to use wages to employees to as a method of reducing effect on capping will be limited as it will only effect the BISS part of the payment. Greening/environment may be capped separately
Bass Reeves wrote: » Real interesting article in today's FI. It seems for all the propaganda the average dairy farmers received a higher rate/ Ha than the average drystock. The difference is 37/ HA.
wrangler wrote: » Haven't i been saying that all along, the people supporting convergence are taking the subsidies off small suckler farmers and giving it to big dairy farmers. It'll be worse from now on, the big acreage of the new dairy farmers will hoover up a lot of our countries €1.3bn or whatever the budget will be in the new CAP,
wrangler wrote: » the big acreage of the new dairy farmers will hoover up a lot of our countries €1.3bn or whatever the budget will be in the new CAP,
JohnChadwick wrote: » How the heck can the IFA accept anything other than 100% convergence. 75% convergence would be rubbish for 70000 small farmers.
Deleted User wrote: » If that were the case FG & ICMSA would be head cheerleaders of convergence. They aren't, what does that tell anyone.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Well because there are no small farmers in the upper echelons of the IFA. The majority of them will lose out on convergence, so it is turkeys voting for christmas. Have they polled their members about convergence at all?
wrangler wrote: » A lot of expanding dairy farmers are looking forward to converegence, One of my tenants had 140 cows when he started with me and heading for 300 now. He is looking forward to convergence. and lots of similar around Dairy farmers wouldn't be high entitlements in general and when theiri entitlements are spread over twice the acreage there'll be lots of room for convergence.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » What percentage of dairy farmers does this apply to though? Convergence is aimed at farmers who are frankly already getting shafted and deserve fairness at the least. If a few dairy lads make a few pound along the way then fair enough as far as im concerned. That could always he addressed with a cap on income further down the line. Besides, if their payments are increasing you can increase your rent...
Deleted User wrote: » They'll have to buy or claim entitlements from YFS first to be able to do any of that. Again, why has Mr Production himself (Coveney) and ICMSA been arguing against convergence if it's the goose that lays the golden egg for dairy?
[Deleted User] wrote: » They'll have to buy or claim entitlements from YFS first to be able to do any of that. Again, why has Mr Production himself (Coveney) and ICMSA been arguing against convergence if it's the goose that lays the golden egg for dairy?
wrangler wrote: » Turkeys voting for Christmas is right, no one is going to serve on a commitee and give up their free time to lobby for something that's injurious to their farm. We're not fools
wrangler wrote: » In 2013 CAP reform it was your single farm payment divided by whatever you claimed on that year, Aneighbour with high entitlements sold 90% of them and kept two spread over his acreage and they are now converging upwards every year, where as they would've been in freefall had he kept them
J.O. Farmer wrote: » If it goes like last time if you had 50 entitlements and 100Ha after the new CAP you'll have 100 entitlements at half the value. Assuming the 50 entitlements are less than 150% of the national average 75% convergence would benefit them. At 100% convergence if the 50 were less than double the national average the convergence would benefit them too.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » If peoples goals are to get as much for themselves as possible, even at the expense of other farmers, then what is the point of the group at all?
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