Forced to work from home

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=992wYvePrSU

Video from last month. Masks everywhere when people are walking the streets, closer to 90% than 2%. Fewer wearing masks when sitting/dining, but that's to be expected.

thanks for that, but thats not what i was talking about,

i said masks didnt persist in asia (speficically singapore in my experience) post sars (which was what 10-15 years ago), certainly not in any mandatory capacity, and rarely worn by people out and about.

im sure its different right now when mandatory mask wearing indoors is enforced and maybe its outdoors over there aswell at the moment, as i said i havent been there since jan last year.

the video the other poster linked was representative of singapore pre covid, i.e. no one was wearing a mask.

limnam

KaneToad wrote: »

Those who want 100% WFH should just not get vaccinated, at that rate.

Also, is it clear whether we will need an annual Covid shot?

why would people WFH all the time not need a vaccine ?

Can they not leave their house after work like everyone else?

KaneToad

Padre_Pio wrote: »

If you're going to work the expectation will be to be vaccinated, unless you have some mitigating circumstance.
Otherwise stay at home.

Those who want 100% WFH should just not get vaccinated, at that rate.

Also, is it clear whether we will need an annual Covid shot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=992wYvePrSU

Cyrus wrote: »

i go back to my original point, that they arent mandatory.

and i disagree they are a common sight, maybe 1-2% of people wear them, but they are a small minority.

Video from last month. Masks everywhere when people are walking the streets, closer to 90% than 2%. Fewer wearing masks when sitting/dining, but that's to be expected.

listermint wrote: »

That's ok. I think your wrong based on my own experience. It's not a small minority and I'm not debating if they were are or will be mandatory.

Thats ok, i think you are wrong based on my experience, it is a small minority. I wasn't debtating re whether they were mandatory or not, i just said they weren't.

Cyrus wrote: »

i go back to my original point, that they arent mandatory.

and i disagree they are a common sight, maybe 1-2% of people wear them, but they are a small minority.

That's ok. I think your wrong based on my own experience. It's not a small minority and I'm not debating if they were are or will be mandatory.

ineedeuro

Cyrus wrote: »

i go back to my original point, that they arent mandatory.

and i disagree they are a common sight, maybe 1-2% of people wear them, but they are a small minority.

Prior to covid masks where not mandatory that didnt stop people wearing them and it was a lot more than 1-2%

listermint wrote: »

I've been there about 4 times over the last few years. Never failed to spot a mask . I'm not saying everyone wheres one but your implications that they are not a common sight is untrue. It's common practice and not a surprise to see a mask . And no that doesn't mean everyone wheres them.

i go back to my original point, that they arent mandatory.

and i disagree they are a common sight, maybe 1-2% of people wear them, but they are a small minority.

Flinty997 wrote: »

You can just check videos on youtube and see what it was like in any Asian country before Covid in terms of Street life and walking around and crowds etc.

https://youtu.be/Z1nnEua2oPg

i skimmed through some of it but certainly tallies with my experience in singapore, was there one person in a mask there?

ineedeuro

Cyrus wrote: »

not at all, like i said 3 times a year, rarely if ever see anyone with a mask on, obviously havent been there since last january im sure they will be more prevalent, and they still take your temp when getting off the plane.

but my point was, they arent mandatory, i cant see them being mandatory here after the end of the summer, into autumn.

I went to Singapore twice, both occasions seen plenty of people with masks. Travelled all over Asia and it is very common.
Even in US you have large communities from Asia and they will wear masks

Cyrus wrote: »

not at all, like i said 3 times a year, rarely if ever see anyone with a mask on, obviously havent been there since last january im sure they will be more prevalent, and they still take your temp when getting off the plane.

but my point was, they arent mandatory, i cant see them being mandatory here after the end of the summer, into autumn.

I've been there about 4 times over the last few years. Never failed to spot a mask . I'm not saying everyone wheres one but your implications that they are not a common sight is untrue. It's common practice and not a surprise to see a mask . And no that doesn't mean everyone wheres them.

listermint wrote: »

Must be walking around with your eyes closed on Singapore then .....

not at all, like i said 3 times a year, rarely if ever see anyone with a mask on, obviously havent been there since last january im sure they will be more prevalent, and they still take your temp when getting off the plane.

but my point was, they arent mandatory, i cant see them being mandatory here after the end of the summer, into autumn.

ineedeuro

Flinty997 wrote: »

The greens had two chances and blown both of them. They won't get a third in living memory I expect.

The Greens are just 1 year in a 5 year government plan. In that short space they have already got a huge project over the line in the midlands.

Covid will be over hopefully soon and we can make decision then but once you dont listen to the PR BS from some parties you actually see what is going on.

scheister

I have been doing a bit of WFH and WFO over the last year. To me my current set up does not allow to be as efficient when WFH.
I interviewed for a new job recently and they admitting them Hybrid is more likely the way forward. I have no issue with a 3/2 mix either way. I think flexibility is needed. For me September is my busiest period if we worked fully from Office for the month would be ideal.
I think WFH is grand once the right IT systems are in place, you are given expenses to cover extra costs and the right boundaries are set up in your house. To me flexibility but cop on is the way to go.

Calhoun wrote: »

One of the more interesting things to see will be if the greens use covid 19 and the emergent WFH strategy that is socially acceptable now to start tacking on more carbon charges for companies.

I know our base in the UK has been WFH for a very long time because the cost to have employee in the office.

Admittedly there will still need to be a balance because not everyone has the option to WFH but i think the combining factor of cost reduction over covid and the likelihood of carbon measures at some point will see it become one of the tools in the future to use.

The greens had two chances and blown both of them. They won't get a third in living memory I expect.

listermint wrote: »

Must be walking around with your eyes closed on Singapore then .....

You can just check videos on youtube and see what it was like in any Asian country before Covid in terms of Street life and walking around and crowds etc.

https://youtu.be/Z1nnEua2oPg

screamer

The lack of ability to adapt to a different office norm is astounding. Luckily I’ve worked for progressive companies most of my working life and working from home was normal. I actually said to a colleague one day everyone should hot desk, it mixes up the office and makes it more interesting. However, I know there are people who just cannot wrap their heads around it, so then I’d say if you want an assigned desk, you work from the office 5 days a week, and only remote workers have to hot desk. That seems like a decent compromise, as most of us know the benefits of working from home. Finally as for the company paying to use your facilities, well, no. If you don’t want to use your desk/ electricity at home then pay to commute to work and use theirs. Generally, the cost of commuting would cover the costs you’d have at home easily.

Calahonda52 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0525/1223841-irish-fiscal-advisory-council/

Sets the real tone here going forward, especially the piece below

However, it said the €5.4 billion increase in permanent, non-Covid, expenditure this year was "not prudent" and has used up most of the resources that might be generated by a recovering economy.

The correction needed, with debt at 250 bn, will make the austerity post 2008 look like unbridled largesse

Tbf that's a bit of a bollix line. The 5.4 billion spent would exactly be what prevented austerity. There was people put on payments which mean the economy is primed for a rebound. That effort is the prime it's not wasted money.

Cyrus wrote: »

yes but its not mandatory which is what the poster appeared to suggest. i am in singapore 2-3 times a year and you rarely see anyone in a mask.

Must be walking around with your eyes closed on Singapore then .....

Lewis_Benson

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Just got word today that work is downsizing their offices and the COVID work from home policy is going to be a near-permanent WHF policy.

Basically, the new office will only have hot desks, maybe half as many as there are staff. Employees have to book a desk in advance if they need to come into the office, but your permanent desk is expected to be in your own home.

There's uproar from certain people, but the response is basically put up and shut up.
Personally, there's no mention of home working in my contract. I was looking forward to getting back into the office and I barely have the space for a desk where I'm living at the moment, never mind a full setup.

Anyone have any experience of this? Places like Google and Facebook have said they're looking at similar policies. Any ideas how that went down with staff?

Sounds ideal to me.
I've been WFH since March 2020.
I have no desire to go back to the office full time, not a hope.
A hybrid working environment is the way forward.

Calahonda52

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0525/1223841-irish-fiscal-advisory-council/

Sets the real tone here going forward, especially the piece below

However, it said the €5.4 billion increase in permanent, non-Covid, expenditure this year was "not prudent" and has used up most of the resources that might be generated by a recovering economy.

The correction needed, with debt at 250 bn, will make the austerity post 2008 look like unbridled largesse

Calhoun

One of the more interesting things to see will be if the greens use covid 19 and the emergent WFH strategy that is socially acceptable now to start tacking on more carbon charges for companies.

I know our base in the UK has been WFH for a very long time because the cost to have employee in the office.

Admittedly there will still need to be a balance because not everyone has the option to WFH but i think the combining factor of cost reduction over covid and the likelihood of carbon measures at some point will see it become one of the tools in the future to use.

Bass Reeves

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The ones who speak the most and ask the most questions in meetings genuinely and generally come across like they're asking a question to let on that they have a clue what's going on.

I remember once being told about 25 years ago when these types of meeting started to become common;

'' Do not ask question unless you know the answer..... however if you know the answer you do not need to ask the f@@king question''

One of the best bit of advice I ever got.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don't forget to place or punch your fist on the table, and say something like "we need to get this over the line, guys, how are we going to do it?"

Have to say I've worked with similar.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzzword_bingo

floorpie wrote: »

How are your coworkers building up 5 weeks of flexileave when there's a maximum carry over per month and a max allowed leave per month?

I think we all know it's BS.

I have been in places where staff have been in habit of not taking annual leave and eventually a person builds up so much they are asked to use it up and can end up being off for weeks, to get their leave back in order.

But that's management just letting it side for too long.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thank **** I haven't worked with characters from TV shows. :pac:

I swear to you I witnessed this with my own eyes. I remember thinking "what a ****ing spoofer".

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't forget to place or punch your fist on the table, and say something like "we need to get this over the line, guys, how are we going to do it?"

Thank **** I haven't worked with characters from TV shows. :pac:

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The ones who speak the most and ask the most questions in meetings genuinely and generally come across like they're asking a question to let on that they have a clue what's going on.

Don't forget to place or punch your fist on the table, and say something like "we need to get this over the line, guys, how are we going to do it?"