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Random EV thoughts.....

Old diesel

The main motors forum has the motors chat thread for the little things one would like to say but might not justify a thread.

Thought it might be an idea for here re hybrids and EV stuff.....

To kick off - i wonder if a new measurement for EVs might be assuming a start trip at 100 percent......

A how much range do you get with a 15 minute stop.

With a 350 kw charging a Porsche Tayman might do very well with getting on for 400 miles...

A Leaf 62 not so good.

Obviously where a car can do more then 50 kw charging we would need both a 50 kw and a whatever the cars top rate is figure*.

*IF chargers are available

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DrPhilG

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

public charging is free in NI, since charging for it is currently illegal

That's the worst part, the relevant legalities were processed ages ago. There's nothing stopping charging for charging now other than incompetence and game playing.

ELM327

colhickey wrote: »

Just curious, have anyone of you ever run out of charge, and if so, what did you do to get out of the situation?

Did you get towed (that's an issue for an EV, isn't it?), ring roadside assistance (what are they capable of doing for you in this situation), or is there some better way of handling it?

Just wondering as I am a new convert to EV (picked up the ID4 at the end of March) and it obviously could easily happen with public chargers not working etc.

150k+ km of EV driving and never ran out.
Same as I never ran out of petrol.

Ity's not hard

colhickey

Just curious, have anyone of you ever run out of charge, and if so, what did you do to get out of the situation?

Did you get towed (that's an issue for an EV, isn't it?), ring roadside assistance (what are they capable of doing for you in this situation), or is there some better way of handling it?

Just wondering as I am a new convert to EV (picked up the ID4 at the end of March) and it obviously could easily happen with public chargers not working etc.

zg3409

electricus wrote: »

Ah ok, as if the North and North West charging map wasn't already empty enough!!

50% of chargers in NI don't work and many are chademo only. No investment for years

the_amazing_raisin

electricus wrote: »

Ah ok, as if the North and North West charging map wasn't already empty enough!!

Basically public charging is free in NI, since charging for it is currently illegal and the current assembly seems more concerned about how old the earth is to do anything about it

Since ESB can't make money up North, and I don't think they're receiving any money for network upkeep, they're basically ignoring it

As regards Donegal, well they've always been the forgotten county for just about every other kind of infrastructure, so why would EV charging be any different

electricus

DrPhilG wrote: »

They don't flippin work!

Ah ok, as if the North and North West charging map wasn't already empty enough!!

innrain

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Give us some chance at success! I'd be nervous doing that route in the ID.4, let alone a Leaf or Ioniq28

Derry to Cork might be a good one, good selection of chargers through the midlands and East coast, if you can make it out of NI without using any of the dodgy chargers there

1160km. It is itching me but someday ...

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the_amazing_raisin

DrPhilG wrote: »

They don't flippin work!

Or there's been a car plugged into the DC charger for the past 11 hours :rolleyes:

I actually doubt this happens very often, but there only needs to be a few offenders to make life a nuisance

DrPhilG

electricus wrote: »

How are they dodgy?

They don't flippin work!

electricus

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

if you can make it out of NI without using any of the dodgy chargers there

How are they dodgy?

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

Would love to see some X to Y route challenge in Ireland. Dublin to Kerry and back or something. A Wild atlantic way challenge would be interesting too, it's so desolate of chargers.

Give us some chance at success! I'd be nervous doing that route in the ID.4, let alone a Leaf or Ioniq28

Derry to Cork might be a good one, good selection of chargers through the midlands and East coast, if you can make it out of NI without using any of the dodgy chargers there

the_amazing_raisin

ELM327 wrote: »

There was a yearly dublin - cork - dublin rally before covid in the IEVOA

I was thinking after covid we should do a boardsies EV owners rally/meetup/argument over the 1 available ESB charger

ELM327

Black_Knight wrote: »

Would love to see some X to Y route challenge in Ireland. Dublin to Kerry and back or something. A Wild atlantic way challenge would be interesting too, it's so desolate of chargers.

There was a yearly dublin - cork - dublin rally before covid in the IEVOA

cannco253

Let's not encourage more drivers into Salthill at the weekends....=;-)

Black_Knight

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

True, there is a balance of speed versus convenience. However the challenge is to do is as fast as possible, hence the short charging stops

We'll have to wait for the video to see how many charging stops he did, but my guess would be 4, so average 200km between stops. Not bad considering you'd probably be looking at 2 hours driving with a 15 mins break. Driving distances like that you'd probably be taken more breaks anyway as you'd be pretty exhausted

I think 1000km is pretty unrealistic for Irish drivers, you'd struggle to find 1000km stretch of road in this country. Perhaps a 500km or 700km challenge would be more useful for us

I think the key aspect of it is to measure what the limiting factor of driving long distance is, the car or the driver. For ICE cars, the driver is the limiting factor. For older EVs, it was the car, you had to wait for it to charge. With this latest generation of EVs, it's going back to the car waiting for the driver

Once that is commonplace then I think it'll be the tipping point for EV conversion

Would love to see some X to Y route challenge in Ireland. Dublin to Kerry and back or something. A Wild atlantic way challenge would be interesting too, it's so desolate of chargers.

timsey tiger

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

True, there is a balance of speed versus convenience. However the challenge is to do is as fast as possible, hence the short charging stops

We'll have to wait for the video to see how many charging stops he did, but my guess would be 4, so average 200km between stops. Not bad considering you'd probably be looking at 2 hours driving with a 15 mins break. Driving distances like that you'd probably be taken more breaks anyway as you'd be pretty exhausted

I think 1000km is pretty unrealistic for Irish drivers, you'd struggle to find 1000km stretch of road in this country. Perhaps a 500km or 700km challenge would be more useful for us

I think the key aspect of it is to measure what the limiting factor of driving long distance is, the car or the driver. For ICE cars, the driver is the limiting factor. For older EVs, it was the car, you had to wait for it to charge. With this latest generation of EVs, it's going back to the car waiting for the driver

Once that is commonplace then I think it'll be the tipping point for EV conversion

Dublin - Cork round trip challenge or something.

ELM327

I do a regular trip to cork and back. Living in north meath it's a 750 km round trip. Should be a handy 2 charge trip in my S but we end up charging 3 times due to poor charger placement and my refusal to use Ionity.

I'd love to see bjorn try that challenge in Ireland, we have no 150kW units in the wild - certainly not enough to allow these optimal challenge speeds.

270kW is pretty intense nonetheless. I watched Kris Rifas 10-80% charge curve video and the average speed over 10-80% SOC is >200kW. That's seriously impressive.

the_amazing_raisin

ELM327 wrote: »

I find those 1000 km challenges fascinating but a little misleading.
On a long trip I'd always charge to 90%+ to minimise stops. If you charged the taycan/etronGT to 90% at each stop it woudl change the 22 minutes to 35.

True, there is a balance of speed versus convenience. However the challenge is to do is as fast as possible, hence the short charging stops

We'll have to wait for the video to see how many charging stops he did, but my guess would be 4, so average 200km between stops. Not bad considering you'd probably be looking at 2 hours driving with a 15 mins break. Driving distances like that you'd probably be taken more breaks anyway as you'd be pretty exhausted

I think 1000km is pretty unrealistic for Irish drivers, you'd struggle to find 1000km stretch of road in this country. Perhaps a 500km or 700km challenge would be more useful for us

I think the key aspect of it is to measure what the limiting factor of driving long distance is, the car or the driver. For ICE cars, the driver is the limiting factor. For older EVs, it was the car, you had to wait for it to charge. With this latest generation of EVs, it's going back to the car waiting for the driver

Once that is commonplace then I think it'll be the tipping point for EV conversion

ELM327

I find those 1000 km challenges fascinating but a little misleading.
On a long trip I'd always charge to 90%+ to minimise stops. If you charged the taycan/etronGT to 90% at each stop it woudl change the 22 minutes to 35.

the_amazing_raisin

Just saw a bit of Bjorn's livestream of the E-Tron GT. The results were pretty amazing

(Spoiler below, in case you want to wait for the video)

E-Tron GT did 1000km challenge in 9:35, 15 mins faster than Model S LR. E-Tron GT is now the fastest EV on the table

Redfox25

It looks interesting but there is alot of groud to cover between what they have to whats in your EV.
Lots of break throughs or near break throughs can only be a good thing.

daddy_boy

innrain wrote: »

Came across this website https://openinframap.org/#6.46/53.476/-6.847 where we can see the grid and its capacity.
Quite interesting for a geek.

I must be a geek

pdpmur

This battery technology looks interesting...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltaylor/2021/05/13/ev-range-breakthrough-as-new-aluminum-ion-battery-charges-60-times-faster-than-lithium-ion/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

If what's being reported is accurate then it would be a big jump forward in battery technology and a solution to the rare-earth-mineral issue.

KCross

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

Are the grants disappearing in July?

Depends.

The new rules from 1 July 2021 are....
Grant
Reduced grant of €2500 for some PHEV's. Others get nothing if they dont meet range/emission requirements.
€5000 for BEV's
but only if RRP is <€60k

VRT relief
VRT relief already gone for all hybrids and PHEVs
BEV - Up to €5k but no relief for €50k+ cars

To know if the PHEV you are looking at still qualifies after 1 Jul you would need to check the spec/price and check with the dealer.

innrain

Came across this website https://openinframap.org/#6.46/53.476/-6.847 where we can see the grid and its capacity.
Quite interesting for a geek.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Are the grants disappearing in July?
What's the best range phev out there in Ireland?

Been looking at the new Seat Leon estate phev, claims about 40-50 miles on elec, tbh I'd be happy with 30.

Anything else that would match that in the 32k euro range

the_amazing_raisin

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Well like I said one of our neighbours has a ranger and the main reasons it's disliked is because of the loud engine and obnoxious driving

An electric F150 would solve one ofthose problems at least

In an amusing development my neighbour who has the pickup now wants the electric F150. He's a big petrolhead and does huge mileage so would probably have been one of the last people to convert

Just shows people will be interested once the right EV comes along

Too bad they aren't selling them here, maybe they'll come out with an electric Raptor soon

cannco253

https://www.electrive.com/2021/05/20/dpd-ireland-plans-to-utilise-another-100-electric-vans/

“To operate the 100 electric vehicles to be purchased over the next 18 months, the company plans to equip ten depots with charging infrastructure, electrifying 250 short- and medium-haul routes. By 2023, the operation of all of the company’s depots in the country is to be completely converted to renewable energy.”

the_amazing_raisin

innrain wrote: »

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news-environment/europes-most-powerful-ev-charging-hub-open-oxford-year
It seems there will be a third company there. 10 MW total the equivalent of 200 ecars rapids. How many PHEVs can charge here.

16 from the looks of it

Wenea will install 16 of these additional chargers. These chargers will be rated at 7-22kW and compatible with most EVs.

innrain

cannco253 wrote: »

https://electrek.co/2021/05/21/tesla-fastned-create-energy-superhub-charging-station/

"Tesla and Fastned, a Dutch charging network, are creating what they call an ‘Energy Superhub,’ a large dual-branded charging station in Oxford.
The Fastned station will have up to 14 fast chargers and there will be 12 Tesla Superchargers on site. The hub is due to open at the end of 2021."

Nice looking place to charge in...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news-environment/europes-most-powerful-ev-charging-hub-open-oxford-year
It seems there will be a third company there. 10 MW total the equivalent of 200 ecars rapids. How many PHEVs can charge here.