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Random EV thoughts.....

Old diesel

The main motors forum has the motors chat thread for the little things one would like to say but might not justify a thread.

Thought it might be an idea for here re hybrids and EV stuff.....

To kick off - i wonder if a new measurement for EVs might be assuming a start trip at 100 percent......

A how much range do you get with a 15 minute stop.

With a 350 kw charging a Porsche Tayman might do very well with getting on for 400 miles...

A Leaf 62 not so good.

Obviously where a car can do more then 50 kw charging we would need both a 50 kw and a whatever the cars top rate is figure*.

*IF chargers are available

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cannco253

Let's not encourage more drivers into Salthill at the weekends....=;-)

ELM327

Black_Knight wrote: »

Would love to see some X to Y route challenge in Ireland. Dublin to Kerry and back or something. A Wild atlantic way challenge would be interesting too, it's so desolate of chargers.

There was a yearly dublin - cork - dublin rally before covid in the IEVOA

the_amazing_raisin

ELM327 wrote: »

There was a yearly dublin - cork - dublin rally before covid in the IEVOA

I was thinking after covid we should do a boardsies EV owners rally/meetup/argument over the 1 available ESB charger

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

Would love to see some X to Y route challenge in Ireland. Dublin to Kerry and back or something. A Wild atlantic way challenge would be interesting too, it's so desolate of chargers.

Give us some chance at success! I'd be nervous doing that route in the ID.4, let alone a Leaf or Ioniq28

Derry to Cork might be a good one, good selection of chargers through the midlands and East coast, if you can make it out of NI without using any of the dodgy chargers there

electricus

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

if you can make it out of NI without using any of the dodgy chargers there

How are they dodgy?

DrPhilG

electricus wrote: »

How are they dodgy?

They don't flippin work!

the_amazing_raisin

DrPhilG wrote: »

They don't flippin work!

Or there's been a car plugged into the DC charger for the past 11 hours :rolleyes:

I actually doubt this happens very often, but there only needs to be a few offenders to make life a nuisance

innrain

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Give us some chance at success! I'd be nervous doing that route in the ID.4, let alone a Leaf or Ioniq28

Derry to Cork might be a good one, good selection of chargers through the midlands and East coast, if you can make it out of NI without using any of the dodgy chargers there

1160km. It is itching me but someday ...

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electricus

DrPhilG wrote: »

They don't flippin work!

Ah ok, as if the North and North West charging map wasn't already empty enough!!

the_amazing_raisin

electricus wrote: »

Ah ok, as if the North and North West charging map wasn't already empty enough!!

Basically public charging is free in NI, since charging for it is currently illegal and the current assembly seems more concerned about how old the earth is to do anything about it

Since ESB can't make money up North, and I don't think they're receiving any money for network upkeep, they're basically ignoring it

As regards Donegal, well they've always been the forgotten county for just about every other kind of infrastructure, so why would EV charging be any different

zg3409

electricus wrote: »

Ah ok, as if the North and North West charging map wasn't already empty enough!!

50% of chargers in NI don't work and many are chademo only. No investment for years

colhickey

Just curious, have anyone of you ever run out of charge, and if so, what did you do to get out of the situation?

Did you get towed (that's an issue for an EV, isn't it?), ring roadside assistance (what are they capable of doing for you in this situation), or is there some better way of handling it?

Just wondering as I am a new convert to EV (picked up the ID4 at the end of March) and it obviously could easily happen with public chargers not working etc.

ELM327

colhickey wrote: »

Just curious, have anyone of you ever run out of charge, and if so, what did you do to get out of the situation?

Did you get towed (that's an issue for an EV, isn't it?), ring roadside assistance (what are they capable of doing for you in this situation), or is there some better way of handling it?

Just wondering as I am a new convert to EV (picked up the ID4 at the end of March) and it obviously could easily happen with public chargers not working etc.

150k+ km of EV driving and never ran out.
Same as I never ran out of petrol.

Ity's not hard

DrPhilG

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

public charging is free in NI, since charging for it is currently illegal

That's the worst part, the relevant legalities were processed ages ago. There's nothing stopping charging for charging now other than incompetence and game playing.

the_amazing_raisin

colhickey wrote: »

Just curious, have anyone of you ever run out of charge, and if so, what did you do to get out of the situation?

Did you get towed (that's an issue for an EV, isn't it?), ring roadside assistance (what are they capable of doing for you in this situation), or is there some better way of handling it?

Just wondering as I am a new convert to EV (picked up the ID4 at the end of March) and it obviously could easily happen with public chargers not working etc.

Nope, never ran out, closest ver came was down to 8% in my Leaf and there were several chargers along the way, so I had options if I decided to bail

Probably the worst experience was travelling back from Dunleer, we had to depend on the (now defunt) DC charger in Lidl in Drogheda. Arrived and there was an E-Tron and I-Pace parked there already. Literally the perfect storm of charging queues and I didn't have enough to make the next charger

Worst part was if I'd gone 5 mins North of Dunleer I'd have 2 chargers at Castlebellingham

Thankfully there's more chargers en route and the ID.4 will make that journey anyway

As to what you do if you run out, same thing as an ICE car, you ring for a tow

Most EVs needs to go on a flatbed because the motor can't disengage and you'll start backfeeding the electronics

The ID.4 can be towed on it's wheels slowly for a short distance, but you should get a tow truck if you can

I don't think it's any easier to run out in an EV than an ICE car. People tend to fuel up their car before it gets critically low on fuel, same goes for an EV, once you're below 30%, find a charger. If it's broken or there's a massive queue then you'll have enough to get to the next charger

Busman Paddy Lasty

ELM327 wrote: »

150k+ km of EV driving and never ran out.
Same as I never ran out of petrol.

Ity's not hard

Petrol you say, have you ever ran out of diesel though?

ELM327

Busman Paddy Lasty wrote: »

Petrol you say, have you ever ran out of diesel though?

NO, but when I had diesel cars I used to run them on agri and/or kero, so I always had drums of it at the house!

DrPhilG

I've run out of petrol/diesel twice, and electricity once - half a mile from home.

My own fault, passed 2 rapids on the way but thought "ah it'll be grand..."

Silent Running

colhickey wrote: »

Just curious, have anyone of you ever run out of charge, and if so, what did you do to get out of the situation?

Did you get towed (that's an issue for an EV, isn't it?), ring roadside assistance (what are they capable of doing for you in this situation), or is there some better way of handling it?

Just wondering as I am a new convert to EV (picked up the ID4 at the end of March) and it obviously could easily happen with public chargers not working etc.

I have never run out. Closest I came was on a run across the UK in the Ioniq. 1am on a cold wet M4, my planned charge point wouldn't start a charge. No problem, on to my back-up charge point.... faulty. OK, on to my hail Mary charge point. I arrived with 12km range and guess what... also faulty. Thanks Ecotricity!

The nearest charging station was 20 kms away, and was actually marked as faulty on Zapmap. I decided to try to make it, as it was a motorway service area and a decent place to wait for the flatbed.

So, heating off, 60 kph on the motorway, pissing rain, so wipers on. Windows open a bit to try to keep the screen clear without using the fan. Thinking that getting to the ferry at 2:45 was off the cards, we got to the services with zero range.

The Charge point was alive! Thinking that it wouldn't start a charge, I plugged in anyway. The charge started fine and ran for 20 minutes before stopping. Grand, enough to get to the next charge point. But, I started it again and it ran for another 20 minutes.... and again.

I got to the ferry no problem. Don't you love a happy ending?

KCross

DrPhilG wrote: »

I've run out of petrol/diesel twice, and electricity once - half a mile from home.

My own fault, passed 2 rapids on the way but thought "ah it'll be grand..."

Shoulda bought a REx.... oh wait! :pac:

DrPhilG

KCross wrote: »

Shoulda bought a REx.... oh wait! :pac:

Ah I'm not that bad, this was in 2016 when I was in a 24kWh Leaf.

Black_Knight

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Give us some chance at success! I'd be nervous doing that route in the ID.4, let alone a Leaf or Ioniq28

Derry to Cork might be a good one, good selection of chargers through the midlands and East coast, if you can make it out of NI without using any of the dodgy chargers there

Mizen head to Malin head.
N71, N70, N69, N67, N59, N15, N56.
About 900km or so. Mammoth journey though.
Unfortunately you can't start at 100% or finish at 0%.
N67 is the biggest charger void.

RandomViewer

Was parked beside a Tesla 3 at the supermarket earlier, smaller than I thought

Black_Knight

RandomViewer wrote: »

Was parked beside a Tesla 3 at the supermarket earlier, smaller than I thought

I guess they make up for being small by having a frunk. Seeing plenty of them around these days too.

MightyMunster

RandomViewer wrote: »

Was parked beside a Tesla 3 at the supermarket earlier, smaller than I thought

Have one and a 3 series, very similar size. More storage space in the Tesla

pad199207

What’s the best app for charging locations?

Black_Knight

pad199207 wrote: »

What’s the best app for charging locations?

To see their locations... I'd say plugshare. Locations are added by regular members.

fafy

A question on the ESB 22kW chargers, these are AC right ? If so, what electric cars can avail of AC 22kW charging, i know eg the E Niro is limited onboard to 11kw, and its even lower with some other models

ELM327

Zoe, some tesla S, mercedes B class EV, Smart EV and a couple of others (I think Taycan and Etron have it coming soon)

Others can charge at 16a three phase (so 11kW) and this seems standard for most new EVs except the ipace (and of course the nissan leaf which is still largely based on the 2013 drivetrain)

fafy

ELM327 wrote: »

Zoe, some tesla S, mercedes B class EV, Smart EV and a couple of others (I think Taycan and Etron have it coming soon)

Others can charge at 16a three phase (so 11kW) and this seems standard for most new EVs except the ipace (and of course the nissan leaf which is still largely based on the 2013 drivetrain)

Its ofd that one of the cheaper EV’s- The Zoe, has 22kw ac charging capability, and mid priced ones from E Niro, to ID3 & 4 do not.