Thelonious Monk wrote: » I think the only way this is going is that they'll have to set up halting sites around Ireland with good facilities, and councils will have to keep them clean and collect rubbish daily. They'll also need teams on call to attend sites where they randomly set up to clean up and bring them whatever they need. I mean it sounds ridiculous but this seems to be the only way it can go at this stage for the various parties involved to be happy.
NIMAN wrote: » Why do you want the councils to go around and clean up after them? They want to be treated the same as the settled population, but the councils don't come around the estates and clean up for people. Time they got into the real world and took on some personal responsibility, instead of always blaming someone else.
Spideoige wrote: » I believe a large portion of travellers would like to live in houses and their preference being group housing schemes like St Anthony's in Hollyhill. I suspect Cork City Council have seen the issues and unprecedented costs that have come with the new set up in Hollyhill and are scratching their heads on how to tackle the issue at Spring Lane. If there are children living in squalor as per the conditions that are being highlighted, Tusla need to step in immediately and ensure the safety of these children first and foremost. This is a form of child neglect from both the parents and our child protection agencies, I can't believe that there are people who seem to think that the responsibility of their children's health is that of the Councils.
Gunmonkey wrote: » A simple as **** solution but no....we have to now endure a Gov report on this and how "the state has failed the kids" because some families would rather allow their kids to be "ridiculed" or whatever they claim than spend less than a pack of smokes on solving it.
MrMusician18 wrote: » Well what have they done here? Looks like Tulsa are leaving children living in squalor. That's not right no matter who you are.
Dempo1 wrote: » Perhaps you might enlighten us as to were Tusla were during the Three year period it took to compile this report? A traveller advocate group were so concerned they contacted the children's ombudsman, why weren't Tusla contacted???
eviltwin wrote: » No, its a TUSLA bashing attitude. I have no dealings with any other department to comment. I do, however, deal with TUSLA on a fairly regular basis and as a whole - obviously there are people within the organisation doing stellar work - they are not fit for purpose and tend to focus on the cases that they can deal with and close fairly quickly and easily.
b0nk1e wrote: » The racism in our country about Travellers isn't against the adults. It's that we condemn their children to live in filth and squalor because they're the children of Travellers.
Niner leprauchan wrote: » I won't enlighten you. If you don't know then I wonder why you felt qualified to comment? Unless of course tusla are mandated to ignore privacy laws and get your input into their cases? As do I and they deal with ALL reports. They don't simple shred any report. If you deal with them then you know that. Being unhappy with the agencies handling of a case is a different issue but they absolutely do investigate each complaint.
Dempo1 wrote: » Halting Sites
Dempo1 wrote: » Traveller's
Dempo1 wrote: » RESPONSIBILITY
end of the road wrote: » they already have personal responsibility, however personal responsibility will only get one so far for various reasons and factors.
Deleted User wrote: » Attempting to make a group assimilate is just behind extermination and expulsion on the scale of genocide. So because we as a country have apparently decided that travellers are a distinct "ethnic group" doing anything to undermine their culture or remove children from those conditions pretty much meet the definition of genocide. That's where we're at now.
end of the road wrote: » it's not that we decided this, but it was always the case that they were an ethnic minority, and the government had no option but to recognise the fact, either of their own accord or have it forced on them.
MrMusician18 wrote: » Investigating and opening a file isn't much use when there's none or inadequate action being taken. And if children are being raised in squalor and left there(because surely, surely the children's ombudsman would have thought to report this at some point in the last three years), then it's quite obvious that Tulsa are failing. Unless of course the actual purpose of this report is to get a group bumped up the housing list to be accommodated in and only in their preferred location.
Deleted User wrote: » Bull****.
Niner leprauchan wrote: » Again, do tusla need to get your input on their investigations? If not, why are you qualified to state they haven't acted in this case?
Deleted User wrote: » Bull****. If ethnicity is inherent or inherited then I'm a traveller. Am I lying when I tick "Irish" on the census form? Or is my mother? I mean I spent a week in a caravan on holidays once, does that count? Did my dad become one by being around my mother? Since that seems to be enough to form an "ethnicity".
Burt Renaults wrote: » Ethnicity and nationality aren't the same thing, duh. Travellers are a distinct ethnic group and it's correct that they're recognised as such. That's according to the UN's definition of ethnicity. It's not a matter of opinion.
Deleted User wrote: » Duh doy indeed, you haven't addressed a single point I raised.
A man who was awarded €60,000 after claiming to have injured his hand by tripping in a halting site failed to turn up at an appeal after new evidence of him injuring the same hand in a bare-knuckle boxing fight was submitted to court.
He also pointed out that Stokes had been in what he claimed was a serious car crash the day before the finger injury. He said a doctor known to Stokes had agreed in the first case that it would be more probable a person in a serious accident wouldn't be going for a jog the following day. He added that Stokes only put in the claim against SDCC for the fall after he had received a pay-out from the Personal Injuries Assessment Board (PIAB) for the car crash.
end of the road wrote: » it's not that we decided this, but it was always the case that they were an ethnic minority, and the government had no option but to recognise that fact.
NIMAN wrote: » I have no idea what you are saying/hinting at with that statement.
Mad_maxx wrote: » He means travellers can't be expected to clean up after themselves like the major of people It's a common belief amongst those on the left
Mike Murdock wrote: » It baffles me that people will make excuse after excuse after excuse about something as simple as Travellers keeping their living spaces clean and habitable. I've never seen anything like it.
Wanderer78 wrote: » oh theres no question, theyre causing the bulk of their own issues, but does sitting on the internets, pointing the finger, ridiculing them and shaming them actually do anything?
suicide_circus wrote: » Still can't get over the bit where the children take a muddy SHORTCUT to school and end up muddy. Why was this added to the report?
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