bubblypop wrote: » Firstly, there is no definite figure, so no need to presume 30K. Second, no reason to assume they will bring family, some may, some may not. Third, what financial strain?
enricoh wrote: » Maybe their employer's will double their wages though and it'll all be grand! Either that or they'll just get a new arrived illegal worker in. I know what my money is on!
Deleted User wrote: » Haha The thousands of employers who've been scamming and cheating our tax system for years by employing illegals won't be happy with this law change either. Thoughts and prayers with them Luckily for them I haven't heard a word from Helen McEntee about prosecuting them. She's nice like that.
agoodpunt wrote: » Africa is a hotbed of desperate, unskilled, uneduated and some challenging medical requirements seeking a better life our system and refugee supports makes is one of europes most attractive destinations but it needs open debate when its a drain on our limited services provision
Happydays2020 wrote: » Really positive in terms of multiculturalism. Great to see how someone does not feel entitled but is grateful for opportunities.
Deleted User wrote: » Yes, Ireland is a pretty damn good country, all things considered... but there's also a lot of negatives, which are driving people elsewhere. In turn, there's demand for foreign skilled workers.
Swindled wrote: » Actually it isn't literally hundreds of them in the large multinational I worked in. 99% were jobs/skills that could easily have been done by local graduates.
bubblypop wrote: » The majority of people here illegaly, entered the country through legal chanels. Very few enter illegally. Why would they?
bobbysands81 wrote: » You don’t even have a basic grasp of immigration and employment laws in Ireland. You do realise that employment permits can only issue to people for occupations where we have a shortage of qualified people to undertake?
Swindled wrote: » Well that is one solution, perhaps we should all leave and let the third world run it, and leave it to them. I'm sure it'll do well. We can then pretend we're another nationality / ethnicity elsewhere.
Swindled wrote: » You can dry up klaz with the pathetic thanks fishing/virtue signalling and silly patronisation , this is a discussion forum not a migration policy document
Happydays2020 wrote: » Really positive in terms of multiculturalism. Great to see how someone does not feel entitled but is grateful for opportunities.https://twitter.com/dcu/status/1396764836525182976?s=21
bobbysands81 wrote: » Of all the non-EU nationals that came to Ireland to work last year do people know what occupation topped the list? Anyone know what occupation came second? Doctors topped the list. Nurses were second. Both added together accounted for nearly one third of all employment permits issued. ICT jobs, mostly highly paid roles, accounted for almost a further third. Pesky highly paid foreigners coming over here and adding value to our society.
bobbysands81 wrote: » You don’t even have a basic grasp of immigration and employment laws in Ireland. You do realise that employment permits can only issue to people for occupations where we have a shortage of qualified people to undertake? Generally, but not always, these occupations are for skilled roles (there are limited exceptions to this) and remuneration is generally at a minimum of €30k (again limited exceptions for some roles at 22k and 27.5k) and often in excess of €64k for a Critical Skills Permit. We give more permits for Critical Skills roles than for any other permit type and from memory approx 45% of all employment permits are for these critical skills. The next most popular permit is the General Employment Permit which is generally pitched at €30k... but occupation which gets the most General Permits is a Doctor... and as you know Doctors get paid well in advance of €30k per year.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » I see the RTÉ website now have their own dedicated section on the Irish being racist. It’s a one way street. Things like this don’t help, they only fuel it. The likes of the RTÉ and media don’t seem aware that all they doing is causing division, or are they doing it on purpose? I don’t know, surely they ain’t that stupid? I’m not sure if any of you saw it but I remember seeing ad in cinema on racism a about 18 months back. Again it was just examples of Irish on others. It was a us v them. It’s not helping when it feels you can’t breath without people labelling others facist or far right. My missus ain’t even from this country and even she finds it weird the obsession we have of foreigners when we have huge problems here alone in Housing, health and infrastructure. I don’t care where you are from and world is changing and let’s just get on, but making it out that it’s the KKK Facist Racist Irish versus the good people of the rest of the world is not way forward.
Annasopra wrote: » Going through a legal process of regularisation is absolutely showing respect for the law
Annasopra wrote: » This is another false claim. The proposed scheme has been announced but not yet finalised - It is false to say "they've been granted permission to stay" and to claim with certainty that 20,000 have been granted this. We dont know for certain how many will be given regularisation but the claims that it has happened and that 20,000 have been given it are false.
Fandymo wrote: » Helen McEntee who signed up to this ludicrous scheme has said that she estimates that 17k will qualify for it. That’s 3k off the above estimate. Is the Justice Minister willingly spreading false information??
Mike Murdock wrote: » She's a politician. When they open their mouths, they are lying.
Fandymo wrote: » So the white paper she talked about when mentioning 17k undocumented (illegals) she was lying??
Deleted User wrote: » Ireland should be doing the same as most non-western nations. Placing a higher value on citizenship. Restricting immigration for the vast majority of people to employment based visas, with limited time associated... and having requirements for education (like the minimum of a Bachelor) to weed out those who would provide very little value to the country. But still with the objective of attracting talent to benefit the nation. Not bringing in people with dubious educational backgrounds, or people who will struggle to find employment.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » I see the RTÉ website now have their own dedicated section on the Irish being racist.
Swindled wrote: » Oh but I do, that's the problem, I watched hundreds recruited at our workplace (large multinational) over the years for 32k, on the pretence the skills were not available locally, which was bull, because the local colleges were turning out very capable Irish graduates who were sending in CV's left right and centre looking for a start in life. They would have been perfect for 99% of the jobs, but the employer knew they could screw over the foreign workers more easily and hold the Visa renewal etc. over them, and they did exactly that. This notion that Ireland can't produce enough capable young Irish people to be Doctors, engineers, Nurses, etc. and we should take them from countries that badly need their own, is bullshyte on so many levels.
ThunbergsAreGo wrote: » Very interesting, can you provide a source?
Swindled wrote: » This notion that Ireland can't produce enough capable young Irish people to be Doctors, engineers, Nurses, etc. and we should take them from countries that badly need their own, is bullshyte on so many levels.
Mike Murdock wrote: » Bobby, most people on this thread could not give a toss where someone comes from as long as they come here through legal channels, have skills we actively need, don't need the Government to provide housing or other benefits and pay immediately into the tax take.
ArthurDayne wrote: » It’s sometimes hard to decipher from posters whether their problem is really multiculturalism at all, or simply illegal / lower skilled immigration.
If every single migrant who came to Ireland did so legally, had skills we actively need, didn’t need Government to provide housing or other benefits and pay immediately into the tax take ...then would that be OK? It seems to me, in that context, your problem isn’t so much multiculturalism but simply the stringency of the immigration system — which are different things.
ArthurDayne wrote: » I guess though that this is where there seems to be a disconnect on this thread. It’s sometimes hard to decipher from posters whether their problem is really multiculturalism at all, or simply illegal / lower skilled immigration. If every single migrant who came to Ireland did so legally, had skills we actively need, didn’t need Government to provide housing or other benefits and pay immediately into the tax take ...then would that be OK? It seems to me, in that context, your problem isn’t so much multiculturalism but simply the stringency of the immigration system — which are different things.
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