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Dublin 15 is going to get a lot more congested.

Phil.x

Man when will all this building in D15 stop.
Roads, rail, bus, amenities are at breaking point and in some cases broken.

https://consult.fingal.ie/en/consultation/barnhill-local-area-plan-2017-2023-strategic-issues-paper

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Pinch Flat

Flinty997 wrote: »

I know a few people including myself that drive not to avoid walking but because they have other trips before and/or work that require a car, and have limited time to get it all done.

It's not like anyone would choose to drive 20 mins in heavy traffic to avoid a 10 Min walk. At least I assume they wouldn't.

True. Loads don't though. A neighbour of mine justified driving the 700 metres from the house because there was more parking available when they introduced the paid parking.

Flinty997

Phil.x wrote: »

No need to justify yourself.

I was just putting a different perspective on it.

Phil.x

Flinty997 wrote: »

I know a few people including myself that drive not to avoid walking but because they have other trips before and/or work that require a car, and have limited time to get it all done.

It's not like anyone would choose to drive 20 mins in heavy traffic to avoid a 10 Min walk. At least I assume they wouldn't.

No need to justify yourself.

Flinty997

Pinch Flat wrote: »

There will be outrage when people living on the coolmine cross realise they can't drive and park in the station. You'd never know maybe people might turn to radical means of transport, like a 10 minute walk instead of driving to the station.

I know a few people including myself that drive not to avoid walking but because they have other trips before and/or work that require a car, and have limited time to get it all done.

It's not like anyone would choose to drive 20 mins in heavy traffic to avoid a 10 Min walk. At least I assume they wouldn't.

Phil.x

" The junction upgrade solutions proposed are considered adequate to accommodate diverted traffic volumes associated with the closure of Coolmine level crossing."

"Adequate" Sounds unconvincing at best.

Pinch Flat

blanch152 wrote: »

The bridge will be built following the outcry over the traffic issues caused by the closure of Coolmine crossing. It will be funny to watch.

There will be outrage when people living on the coolmine cross realise they can't drive and park in the station. You'd never know maybe people might turn to radical means of transport, like a 10 minute walk instead of driving to the station.

blanch152

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'd say theres a bit more water to go under the bridge before the Coolmine crossing is agreed and resolved. It will be very problematic.

The bridge will be built following the outcry over the traffic issues caused by the closure of Coolmine crossing. It will be funny to watch.

Flinty997

This thread was started 4yrs ago this was the question...

Phil.x wrote: »

Man when will all this building in D15 stop.
Roads, rail, bus, amenities are at breaking point and in some cases broken.

https://consult.fingal.ie/en/consultation/barnhill-local-area-plan-2017-2023-strategic-issues-paper

Flinty997

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

I can't wait to see the traffic this is going to cause in the area.

I've avoided coolmine crossing for years. There bridges either side of it. Why choose a route that's going to be closed and thus blocked 50% of the time.

The only future for all of D15 is more traffic. There is no of avoiding that with all the housing being planned.

Brock Turnpike

daymobrew wrote: »

Not "blocked" but "scrapped".

More info:

I can't wait to see the traffic this is going to cause in the area.

Former Former Former

ongarboy wrote: »

Are the other level crossings such as Ashtown, Porterstown and Clonsilla all to permanently close to motor traffic too to facilitate DART West? I assume the new road to west of Educate Together Hansfield will have to get in place prior to closing Clonsilla level crossing? Porterstown should really be a non issue as there is so little traffic and residents on that road. Ashtown I thought might cause issue as there is a fair population in the Rathborne development impacted by that closure but I don't hear anyone up in arms about that the way Coolmine residents were.

The Rathborne crossing was a great outcome because it closes the crossing, but the road will now pass under the canal, no bridge needed and through traffic is taken further away from people's houses. None of that applied to Coolmine, unfortunately, hence the differing responses.

Flinty997

You'll never build enough crossings or junctions to handle the amount of road traffic caused by all the housing that is being planned.

Same all over tbh.

Larbre34

I'd say theres a bit more water to go under the bridge before the Coolmine crossing is agreed and resolved. It will be very problematic.

ongarboy

Flinty997 wrote: »

At least this way the DART upgrade is not blocked.

Are the other level crossings such as Ashtown, Porterstown and Clonsilla all to permanently close to motor traffic too to facilitate DART West? I assume the new road to west of Educate Together Hansfield will have to get in place prior to closing Clonsilla level crossing? Porterstown should really be a non issue as there is so little traffic and residents on that road. Ashtown I thought might cause issue as there is a fair population in the Rathborne development impacted by that closure but I don't hear anyone up in arms about that the way Coolmine residents were.

Flinty997

IngazZagni wrote: »

...I guess having one less railway crossing point is what people wanted. It’s not what I wanted but I respect the will of the local community. I have serious concerns this will just concentrate more traffic at other crossings. It’ll be interesting to see what the proposed road upgrade options are. Either way please just get on with the Dart upgrade....

At least this way the DART upgrade is not blocked.

IngazZagni

Flinty997 wrote: »

That quite surprising..

I guess having one less railway crossing point is what people wanted. It’s not what I wanted but I respect the will of the local community. I have serious concerns this will just concentrate more traffic at other crossings. It’ll be interesting to see what the proposed road upgrade options are. Either way please just get on with the Dart upgrade.

Larbre34 wrote: »

Despite all the route selection guff, its just a third lane from the M50 to the M3 in the median. Its a pity it wasn't tied in to the Snugborough bridge works and get the whole lot delivered together.

You have to laugh at it really. All sorts of nonsense that probably cost a fortune when anyone could have told you building the extra lanes in the central median was the obvious answer. It was designed with this in mind. I don’t think it will help with city bound traffic as you’ll just get to the traffic faster but it will be a great help for the outbound flow so people aren’t blocked by exiting blanch area traffic.

Larbre34

raheny red wrote: »

Instead of starting a new thread.... N3 M50 to Clonee

https://consult.fingal.ie/en/consultation/n3-m50-clonee-non-statutory-public-consultation-scheme-update-emerging-preferred-option

Despite all the route selection guff, its just a third lane from the M50 to the M3 in the median. Its a pity it wasn't tied in to the Snugborough bridge works and get the whole lot delivered together.

landofthetree

Phil.x wrote: »

Man when will all this building in D15 stop.
Roads, rail, bus, amenities are at breaking point and in some cases broken.

https://consult.fingal.ie/en/consultation/barnhill-local-area-plan-2017-2023-strategic-issues-paper

Dublin is one of the least densely populated cities in Europe.

Flinty997

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

Bridge at station court road blocked

https://fb.watch/5HnwE_hWBd/

That quite surprising..

raheny red

Instead of starting a new thread.... N3 M50 to Clonee

https://consult.fingal.ie/en/consultation/n3-m50-clonee-non-statutory-public-consultation-scheme-update-emerging-preferred-option

daymobrew

Not "blocked" but "scrapped".

More info:

Iarnród Éireann and DART+West conducted the first round of public consultations between August and October last year and took on board the strong local opposition regarding the Coolmine level crossing closure preferred option. After a multi-criteria analysis was conducted on all options, taking into account the 900 submissions on Coolmine, the following is now the preferred option.
The permanent closure of Coolmine level crossing turning the Coolmine Road and Carpenterstown Road into cul-de-sacs at the train station

Provision of a pedestrian & cyclist bridge at Coolmine Station, linking Coolmine Road to Carpenterstown Road

As an alternative to the provision of a new vehicular bridge, the existing local road network and some junctions will be upgraded

Traffic modelling and road junction analysis has informed the selection of the preferred option. The upgraded road junctions, including change from roundabouts to signalised junctions, are proposed to accommodate the increase in traffic. The junction upgrade solutions proposed are considered adequate to accommodate diverted traffic volumes associated with the closure of Coolmine level crossing.

Bigmac1euro

Bridge at station court road blocked

https://fb.watch/5HnwE_hWBd/

ongarboy

I see the foundations are well advanced for the new 8 storey apartment blocks (211 apartments in total) to going up on the site between Windmill and Station Courts and the canal. Will be quite a visible development from the Dr. Troy bridge on completion.

http://windmillshd.ie/

Phil.x

A cyclist was knocked off his bike at the allendale roundabout this evening, not sure what happened but luckily he had his helmet on as his head smashed the windscreen said the garda. It took about 15/20 mins for ambulance, but fire brigade arrived in minutes.

I came across the scene today and I think he was with 3 other people on bikes, not roadies but dressed in trousers and jumper like the others, maybe about 25 years of age, then what looked like his boss arrived in a black Tesla to talk to the others.

daymobrew

Former Former Former wrote: »

Walking or cycling to local services is great, until you need to bring home a load of groceries, or it's raining...

I do my weekly shop on my bike (my heaviest load was 30kg). I'll concede that I'm an outlier but so many people drive when they could cycle or walk e.g. a 1km trip to Spar.

Caranica

That's national planning policy for sites near public transport now. Gone are the days of 1.5 spaces per unit with 2-3 bedrooms and 2 for 4 beds.

Former Former Former

IngazZagni wrote: »

This is the planning dilemma. Provide 300 parking spaces and it's blocked because there would be too much traffic.
This development is only a 10 minute walk to the train station. Short walk to lots of local facilities.
Modern Ireland doesn't need as many cars. That's why there are about 2 cycling spaces for each apartment.

Development looks good. Just need to get them to commit to high quality materials.

Edit: I've just been reviewing the documents. Very interesting to see that GoCar have agreed to base 8 cars in the development and this rental car can be used by all residents. Is this something we could see more of moving forward? I think it's a great idea.

I just think the reality of life in D15 is such that you still need a car. Access to the train is great - if you want to go somewhere that is also served by the train, which isn't that many places apart from the city centre. Walking or cycling to local services is great, until you need to bring home a load of groceries, or it's raining...

I would just be worried that the roads and estates around it would end up strewn with cars which sort of defeats the purpose. But also see the logic that if we keep building car parks, people will keep filling them.

IngazZagni

Former Former Former wrote: »

Build to rent, disaster.

198 apartments, 100 car spaces. Really?

This is the planning dilemma. Provide 300 parking spaces and it's blocked because there would be too much traffic.
This development is only a 10 minute walk to the train station. Short walk to lots of local facilities.
Modern Ireland doesn't need as many cars. That's why there are about 2 cycling spaces for each apartment.

Development looks good. Just need to get them to commit to high quality materials.

Edit: I've just been reviewing the documents. Very interesting to see that GoCar have agreed to base 8 cars in the development and this rental car can be used by all residents. Is this something we could see more of moving forward? I think it's a great idea.

Former Former Former

Build to rent, disaster.

198 apartments, 100 car spaces. Really?

Phil.x

They must be apartments for cyclists, 392 bicycle parking spaces.