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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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Annasopra wrote: »

I know exactly what you wrote.

The continuous claims here that 20,000 have been regularised are false and we dont even know how many will be regularised. There have been differing estimates of 17,000, 20,000 and 30,000.

So 17k -30k estimated. If regularised are they allowed repatriate their family over here anyone know?

Deleted User wrote: »

Did you even read what I wrote? Bloody hell. I said it wasn't official.

Consider the context of what I responded to, and my actual post. Not the idea in your head that you want to object to.

I know exactly what you wrote.

The continuous claims here that 20,000 have been regularised are false and we dont even know how many will be regularised. There have been differing estimates of 17,000, 20,000 and 30,000.

bubblypop wrote: »

Want to give us a link?

No, I've given the link a few times before, in fact I think I may have even given you the link in a direct reply. It's very easy to find. You don't have any interest in the figures though, you continually try and throw this topic off with relentless pointless posts.

Annasopra wrote: »

This is another false claim. The scheme has been announced - It is false to say "they've been granted permission to stay" and to claim with certainty that 20,000 have been granted this. We dont know for certain how many will be given regularisation but the claims that it has happened and that 20,000 have been given it are false.

Did you even read what I wrote? Bloody hell. I said it wasn't official.

Consider the context of what I responded to, and my actual post. Not the idea in your head that you want to object to.

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Pesky highly paid foreigners coming over here and adding value to our society.

I swear there's a willful ignorance going on, just to score points. The last few pages, hell the whole thread, is full of posts saying that they don't have a problem with skilled labor coming into Ireland. Especially those who are filling a demand.

Even the quoted piece you referred to, spoke of jobs with low wages... and you object by referring to jobs with reasonably decent wages.

The issue is not about skilled/educated workers with plenty of job options available to them. jeez.

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, they've been granted permission to stay since the idea has been put forward and the campaign to make the idea acceptable is being applied. Do you really think they're going to start enforcing the laws and start deporting the current population of illegals.. now? Hardly.

So, while they haven't received official permission to stay (yet), unofficially, they may as well have it.

This is another false claim. The proposed scheme has been announced but not yet finalised - It is false to say "they've been granted permission to stay" and to claim with certainty that 20,000 have been granted this. We dont know for certain how many will be given regularisation but the claims that it has happened and that 20,000 have been given it are false.

My view is simple, we have a de-facto open borders immigration policy. The lack of political debate around this issue is troubling. Any who questions it is immediately shouted down with cries of 'racist!' etc.

Annasopra wrote: »

Going through a legal process of regularisation is absolutely showing respect for the law

Haha, they've been breaking our laws for years and no amount of revisionism from you or others will change that.

bubblypop wrote: »

The majority of people here illegaly, entered the country through legal chanels. Very few enter illegally. Why would they?

Lol, they came in legally and only then did they start breaking our laws. Well that's ok so, let's reward them with the most precious thing any state can offer to a non citizen.

It's rewarding law breakers, that is a fact and it's giving two fingers to Irish citizens and legal immigrants who obey our laws. It's also removing the opportunity for the jobs they have to be given to Irish citizens or future legal migrants.

Swindled wrote: »

yep, citizenship, not even Visa's, come in illegally, show no respect for the law, give whatever ID you want, get full citizenship.

Going through a legal process of regularisation is absolutely showing respect for the law

Chips Lovell wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if it didn't happen. What I was taking issue with was the suggestion that all of the estimated 20,0000 illegals had already been granted permission to remain without any checks.

Well, they've been granted permission to stay since the idea has been put forward and the campaign to make the idea acceptable is being applied. Do you really think they're going to start enforcing the laws and start deporting the current population of illegals.. now? Hardly.

So, while they haven't received official permission to stay (yet), unofficially, they may as well have it.

Swindled wrote: »

yep, citizenship, not even Visa's, come in illegally, show no respect for the law, give whatever ID you want, get full citizenship.

The majority of people here illegaly, entered the country through legal chanels. Very few enter illegally. Why would they?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The majority of Ireland's immigration now comes from outside the EU and it's been this way for the last number of years. CSO stats are available.

Want to give us a link?

enricoh wrote: »

. Remember, 17pc of the population is "foreign-born", so immigrants are over-represented in the figures by two to one.

Every time you post this, I will remind you that foreign born does not mean immigrant.

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Of all the non-EU nationals that came to Ireland to work last year do people know what occupation topped the list? Anyone know what occupation came second?

Doctors topped the list.

Nurses were second.

Both added together accounted for nearly one third of all employment permits issued. ICT jobs, mostly highly paid roles, accounted for almost a further third.

Pesky highly paid foreigners coming over here and adding value to our society.

Tell us why are we not able to produce enough of our own Doctors and Nurses ? And why do we need to take them from countries that badly need their own ?

ICT, highly paid roles my ass, the ones in the multinational I worked in were on 32k, and 99% of the work could have been done by young local Irish graduates from the local colleges no bother, who were sending in CV's left right and centre, looking for a start.

Chips Lovell wrote: »

There isn't a push for mass immigration from outside the EU. As Wibbs pointed out, the vast majority of immigration is from EU countries.

It's pretty hard to get a visa for someone from outside the EU and anyone who gets here outside of the work visa regime, it's very much despite of not because Irish/EU immigration policy.

The majority of Ireland's immigration now comes from outside the EU and it's been this way for the last number of years. CSO stats are available.

Deleted User wrote: »

which will eventually lead to citizenship..

yep, citizenship, not even Visa's, come in illegally, show no respect for the law, give whatever ID you want, get full citizenship.

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Of all the non-EU nationals that came to Ireland to work last year do people know what occupation topped the list? Anyone know what occupation came second?

Doctors topped the list.

Nurses were second.

Both added together accounted for nearly one third of all employment permits issued. ICT jobs, mostly highly paid roles, accounted for almost a further third.

Pesky highly paid foreigners coming over here and adding value to our society.

Kindly explain how come all these highly paid foreigners are twice as likely to require paddy taxpayer to pay their rent?!

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/huge-scale-of-immigration-is-making-our-housing-crisis-worse-35498057.html

Last year, I decided to ask the Department of Social Protection what percentage of rent supplement was paid out to non-Irish EU nationals, and non-EU nationals.

As at February of last year, the figure was 35pc. This is a remarkable total. Remember, 17pc of the population is "foreign-born", so immigrants are over-represented in the figures by two to one.

Chips Lovell wrote: »

17,000 to 20,000 is the estimate of the number illegal migrants currently in the state, not the estimate of who'll be granted it this year.

No, it's not. 17,000 is the estimate of the number who will begin the process later this year and next which will eventually lead to citizenship. The immigrant council of Ireland estimate the illegal population at 30,000, which going off other European countries is a massive undercount.

Annasopra wrote: »

You continuously claimed that 20,000 were already through - Thats false. It hasnt happened.

You are claiming the scheme will not be a one off - Thats false. It is a once off time limited scheme.

Your claims are false.

Either the estimates are true or they are false, and so is the claim that no one will ever come again when they hear, or be given it again.

Annasopra wrote: »

You continuously claimed that 20,000 were already through - Thats false. It hasnt happened.

You are claiming the scheme will not be a one off - Thats false. It is a once off time limited scheme.

Your claims are false.

Also claims that his employer was handing out visas!!

bubblypop wrote: »

There is no such thing as a bogus refugee.
You need to start looking up definitions

Oh the 10% then, not the 90% of the found to be bogus asylum seekers that allowed to stay anyway.

Swindled wrote: »

Either the estimates are true or they are not, and how stupid do you think we are that this will be a one off and no other illegals will come in now when they hear this ?

You continuously claimed that 20,000 were already through - Thats false. It hasnt happened.

You are claiming the scheme will not be a one off - Thats false. It is a once off time limited scheme.

Your claims are false.

bobbysands81 wrote: »

You didn’t work anywhere where employers were handing out visas. That’s a lie.

Seems to like posting lies!

bobbysands81 wrote: »

You didn’t work anywhere where employers were handing out visas. That’s a lie.

Actually it isn't literally hundreds of them in the large multinational I worked in. 99% were jobs/skills that could easily have been done by local graduates.

Swindled wrote: »

Which ones the 10% that are found to be genuine, or the 90% found to be bogus and allowed to stay anyway ?

There is no such thing as a bogus refugee.
You need to start looking up definitions

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm sorry, have you heard the word refugees before? Would you like a definition?
There are very few refugees in Ireland, do you have some issue with them?

Which ones the 10% that are found to be genuine, or the 90% found to be bogus and allowed to stay anyway ?

Swindled wrote: »

I worked where this was exactly the case, and you yourself boasted about the many illegals working in care homes that you know about.

You didn’t work anywhere where employers were handing out visas. That’s a lie.

Annasopra wrote: »

Your claims are false

20,000 have not been waived through
It will be a once off time limited scheme

Either the estimates are true or they are not, and how stupid do you think we are that this will be a one off and no other illegals will come in now when they hear this ?

Swindled wrote: »

refugees . . lol

I'm sorry, have you heard the word refugees before? Would you like a definition?
There are very few refugees in Ireland, do you have some issue with them?