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El_Duderino 09

TCP/IP wrote: »

RIP Max, he really shaped F1 into what it is today alongside Bernie.

To say he had a colourful past would be putting it mildly (and charitably). But he certainly did a lot of good in F1.

Jordan 199

He helped make the sport safer.

duploelabs

Jordan 199 wrote: »

He helped make the sport safer.

Offset by what occoured in his dungeon

El_Duderino 09

duploelabs wrote: »

Offset by what occoured in his dungeon

How many hoors a man wants at a time and how he wants them to role-play, is between the man and his wife and the hoors.

afatbollix

I read his autobiography in lockdown. He has a connection to Ireland as he lived here for a bit.

Did a lot for road safety with NCAP.

And these days for fighting the press.

Joeface

that is savage destruction .

El_Duderino 09

afatbollix wrote: »

I read his autobiography in lockdown. He has a connection to Ireland as he lived here for a bit.

Did a lot for road safety with NCAP.

And these days for fighting the press.

HIs dad was interred during the war because his dad (Oswald Mosely) was pro-Nazi. He was probably hoping the Nazi's won the war and he was in with a shout of being appointed the Nazi leader (or high position) in England. Left Britain after the war instead of getting back into politics and came to live in Ireland in the 50s

muckwarrior

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

HIs dad was interred during the war because his dad (Oswald Mosely) was pro-Nazi. He was probably hoping the Nazi's won the war and he was in with a shout of being appointed the Nazi leader (or high position) in England. Left Britain after the war instead of getting back into politics and came to live in Ireland in the 50s

He was also a baddie in Peaky Blinders.

quokula

RIP Max. Whatever you might say about his private life and upbringing, he was undoubtedly a steady hand at the FIA and the sport was much stronger under his stewardship. Always chose what was right over what was popular, and wasn't afraid to upset powerful teams for the good of the sport, unlike the FIA of today.

vectra

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

HIs dad was interred during the war because his dad (Oswald Mosely) was pro-Nazi. He was probably hoping the Nazi's won the war and he was in with a shout of being appointed the Nazi leader (or high position) in England. Left Britain after the war instead of getting back into politics and came to live in Ireland in the 50s

I was often in the house he lived in.

AMKC

vectra wrote: »

I was often in the house he lived in.

Where is that located like what county? You do not have to say exactly where.

vectra

AMKC wrote: »

Where is that located like what county? You do not have to say exactly where.

Fermoy. Co.Cork.

Within walking distance of my own house.

Jordan 199

Ocon is doing a good job in a not so good car so far this season.

Gaoth Laidir

Lads, is it completely out of the question that Ireland could ever host an F1 race? Mondello just doesn't cut it the way it is, so serious upgrades would be required, but what about a street race? Just curious.

El_Duderino 09

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Ocon is doing a good job in a not so good car so far this season.

Hard to know hoe good the car is because we don't have a solid benchmark in his teammate to measure him against. Alonso seems to have lost whatever made him flow they way he did. We know he was about as good as Ric last year so Ocon is probably doing a good job like you said. But the lack of a good teammate makes it difficult to know how good the car is.

El_Duderino 09

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Lads, is it completely out of the question that Ireland could ever host an F1 race? Mondello just doesn't cut it the way it is, so serious upgrades would be required, but what about a street race? Just curious.

It would be fun but I wouldn't encourage it. It would be a tremendous transfer of taxpayer money from public hands to foreign private hands without adding any actual value to the country. While service businesses would do a great weekend, it wouldn't be worth it.

Captain_Crash

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Lads, is it completely out of the question that Ireland could ever host an F1 race? Mondello just doesn't cut it the way it is, so serious upgrades would be required, but what about a street race? Just curious.

From a marketing standpoint an Irish Grand Prix would be a goldmine for the FIA, and ironically a good way to capture more of the American market! I can’t see it happening tho! There is just no desire for it at a political level despite having the fan base and draw to do so. My memory is foggy but I think it was discussed at a serious level back in the 90’s

flazio

I'd be slightly more optimistic about a Formula E race rather than a Formula 1. Phoenix Park has a history of being used as a race track so it would be an ideal central location for an e-prix. Can't really see any love for the idea however. Rally of Ireland was an expensive disaster.

Gaoth Laidir

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It would be fun but I wouldn't encourage it. It would be a tremendous transfer of taxpayer money from public hands to foreign private hands without adding any actual value to the country. While service businesses would do a great weekend, it wouldn't be worth it.

Isn't that the same with every country, though? It must be worth the likes of Vietnam/Azerbaijan/Mexico/Singapore/Bahrain's while or they wouldn't be doing it.

TheQ_Man

If there was no Irish Grand Prix when Jordan were in F1 it won’t happen now

[Deleted User]

With tickets to claw back some of the cost it could easily be run for a loss of about €10 million or so. How much do Failte Ireland spend on advertising abroad?

El_Duderino 09

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Isn't that the same with every country, though? It must be worth the likes of Vietnam/Azerbaijan/Mexico/Singapore/Bahrain's while or they wouldn't be doing it.

Singapore is a different story as it makes money for them. The other countries you mention are pretty corrupt (Mexico aside). They have no problem wasting money, sending loads of tax-payer money to private companies for the sake of a one-off event which will never cover its own cost. You could add in Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, China, Russia, Bahrain.

Some are really well thought out and well funded and can make money for the city, like Canada and Singapore. Canada has a policy where it's funded jointly by the city, state and federal governments. Montreal also has a festival the same weekend and it gets over 1,000,000 people who travel over 40KM to the city (that's how they measure it) and the vast majority will never go to the F1. They make it back in employment tax, sales tax, corporation tax, and the fact that so many people and businesses make money over the weekend and they spend it later. It actually makes money.

Singapore has a similar deal. Some countries are paying huge sums of public money to "sports-wash" their image. I'm not sure what Ireland's reason for hosting a GP would be. Building a purpose built track would be a colossal waste of money as we don't have a culture of motor racing to make use of it the rest of the year.

I wouldn't encourage it unless they could do a street race while causing minimal disruption to the city (e.g. using mostly Phoenix Park) and it wold actually make money. I would whole heartedly oppose it as a vanity project for Ireland or F1 fans

barryribs

Just a reminder that this is what the track in Valencia looks like now.

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AMKC

Formula e in Ireland in the Phoenix park maybe but a Formula 1 race not a hope now. When Jordon were in F1 that would have been the time to do it. It's too late now. I would love to go to an F1 race in Ireland but it will never happen.

[Deleted User]

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Also if anybody wants to see how we could ruin an event look at how we made a giant mess of the World Rally was when it came to Ireland. It left such a bad taste in everybody's mouth.

Got a handy link? Have a vague recollection of it being ****ed up but can't remember how.

It's a different scale to F1 though. Does anywhere show live coverage of WRC? How many tickets are sold for WRC events? etc. etc.

muckwarrior

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Ocon is doing a good job in a not so good car so far this season.

He is, but Fernando seems to be struggling, which is sad to see. Ocon is a decent driver, but I doubt he'd stand a chance against the Alonso of 5-10 years ago.

Even if Fernando is struggling to get to grips with the car then that's still a sign he's not as good as he was, as one of his strengths was being able to extract the most out of whatever car he was given.

[Deleted User]

An F1 track here was a tiger thing, but died with it.

AMKC

muckwarrior wrote: »

He is, but Fernando seems to be struggling, which is sad to see. Ocon is a decent driver, but I doubt he'd stand a chance against the Alonso of 5-10 years ago.

Even if Fernando is struggling to get to grips with the car then that's still a sign he's not as good as he was, as one of his strengths was being able to extract the most out of whatever car he was given.

You would have to wonder did the time away dull his sense. I for one hope not and hope we get to see the exceptional Fernando we have seen before again. He should be having an easier time of it now than when he was at McLaren last so if he could just muster some of what he had at McLaren he could be doing as good as he can in the Alpine. Should be up near the front of the midfield most of the time at least.

barryribs

AMKC wrote: »

You would have to wonder did the time away dull his sense. I for one hope not and hope we get to see the exceptional Fernando we have seen before again. He should be having an easier time of it now than when he was at McLaren last so if he could just muster some of what he had at McLaren he could be doing as good as he can in the Alpine. Should be up near the front of the midfield most of the time at least.

The worrying thing for Alpine is that Alonso just doesn't look like he has any pace. Whether he is adjusting to the car or not, it is not like him at all. There is a massive gap between them and Alpha Tauri, albeit not reflected in the points because of Tsunoda's performance so far. Maybe it will suit the car will suit the more power hungry circuits coming up but its not looking too bright and much as I like Alonso, its starting to look like this will end in a very Alonso fashion.

A lot of drivers who have changed teams this season have struggled it seems, with the one unexpected exception - Sainz has been brilliant this year. Got the strategy wrong in Portugal cost them points but even salvaged 5th in Imola after a few mistakes.

muckwarrior

AMKC wrote: »

You would have to wonder did the time away dull his sense.

He's forty years old (more or less). There's scarecely a person alive whose physical attributes haven't started to deteriorate at that age.