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Deplorable Conditions at Halting Site

Dempo1

Yet another report but what's curious is the complete absence of a concept known as Parental Responsibility.

Whilst I'm not suggesting Halting Sites are ideal housing solution, they are the preferred choice of many Traveller's.

County Councils seem to me to get mostly blamed for alledged Deplorable Conditions, in this report the Name of relevant county council not revealed which is curious in itself.

More to the point of specific findings affecting children, it seems to me that Parental responsibilities is non existant and certainly never reported on. Sending children to school unwashed or in poor state of dress can not be blamed on local authorities, it's ludicrous. Curious too vasts sums can be spent of luxurious Mobile homes, Vans etc by parents and yet little spent on the welfare and well being of their Children.

I know of a halting Site in the Midlands and the services, water, waste etc would put major industrial developments to shame and yet, the filth, Rubbish, waste allowed to build up by residents is beyond shocking, is this too the fault of local Authorities? I think not.

By all accounts do reports, studies etc but time for a little objectivity but more importantly a focus on PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY.

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Dempo1

touts wrote: »

If any member of the settled community forced their children to live in those conditions Tusla would immediately step in and remove the children for their safety. Yet travellers rights groups claim "culture" as a defence for abuse. We could throw millions at this site and within a couple of months of handing it over to the travellers it would be back to being a cess pool of filth and they would be back blaming the settled community for not giving them enough money.

Enough is enough. The only answer is to break up this halting site and force the travellers into houses. But not all in one estate. Scatter them across every housing estate in the country and they will have no choice but to integrate with the rest of society. Then start to apply the full rigor of the law to protect the children.

And this the entire crux of the matter, its just outrageous that a statutory Children's Ombudsman spent 3 years on this report and didn't once enquire of Tusla as to what they were doing. Every parent, regardless of ethnicity has a duty of care to their children, indeed I'd go further what were the schools saying?

MrMusician18

Dempo1 wrote: »

And this the entire crux of the matter, its just outrageous that a statutory Children's Ombudsman spent 3 years on this report and didn't once enquire of Tusla as to what they were doing. Every parent, regardless of ethnicity has a duty of care to their children, indeed I'd go further what were the schools saying?

The children's ombudsman should be sacked if he witnessed these horrendous conditions and then did nothing about it.

suicide_circus

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The children's ombudsman should be sacked if he witnessed these horrendous conditions and then did nothing about it.

Children living in squalor due to the actions of their parents, better leave them in situ and write a lengthy report

Jerry Attrick

I've just checked and, as far as I could see, there were no rats running around our homestead. And I bet that Childrens Ombudsman Dr. Niall Muldoon hasn't any rats running around his home either.

My missus cleverly suggested that the fact that we pay about €300 a year to have our rubbish taken away might help to explain why we haven't any rats running around; I assume that Doctor Niall Muldoon also pays for his waste to be collected.

If I stopped paying for my rubbish to be collected, then I suspect that we might have a problem with mice and rats before long. And if this happened then I'd only have myself to blame.

However, if Doctor Niall Muldoon stopped paying for his refuse collection and his gaff was subsequently infested with rats, the evidence of his latest report suggests that he would blame his local Council.

It must be great to live on Planet Muldoon.

ebbsy

Some people should be neutered.

Imagine bringing kids into that world.

Jerry Attrick

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The children's ombudsman should be sacked if he witnessed these horrendous conditions and then did nothing about it.

In all fairness, he wrong his hands together very loudly before writing a hard-hitting report that totally avoided identifying the root cause of the problem.

suicide_circus

Jerry Attrick wrote: »

In all fairness, he wrong his hands together very loudly before writing a hard-hitting report that totally avoided identifying the root cause of the problem.

Not sure what else he could have done tbh

Jerry Attrick

suicide_circus wrote: »

Not sure what else he could have done tbh

Maybe included a epigraph at the start of the report?

The ancient phrase God helps those who help themselves comes to mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helps_those_who_help_themselves

Dempo1

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The children's ombudsman should be sacked if he witnessed these horrendous conditions and then did nothing about it.

Not sure he witnessed anything as such but surely would have been obligated to ask serious questions well before he got around to releasing report, but let's not confuse the issue, his concerns seem more directed at big bad local authorities that are not cleaning up other people's mess.

Feisar

griffdaddy wrote: »

I've said this before to people when reports like this come up - the way that many, many travellers choose to live isn't a cultural choice, it's anti-social, child endangering behaviour. The prejudice arguement doesn't even come into it. Society has progressed. You have to raise your children to certain standards, you have to send them to school, you have to maintain hygiene levels. Living in your own sh1t and getting uppidity when someone calls you out on it is absolute nonsense and it's time a much harder line was taken by the likes of Tulsa, the Gardai and local authorities. Anyone who can't see the difference between this argument and saying something like 'all black people are criminals' is either being deliberately obtuse or is incredibly naive.

Go on out of here with that sensible talk.

Feisar

suicide_circus wrote: »

Children living in squalor due to the actions of their parents, better leave them in situ and write a lengthy report

But they are travellers so they get a free pass and a few more €€€.

And we push them down further.

1874

Saw it reported elsewhere online, No surprises
The answer and solution seem to be known, honestly having had a traveller family live beside me, I'd prefer if they want to live like that that they are away from me or anyone else, it might improve their situation but it only worsens some other poor sods life.

They create the problem, it must be known by all they create it, there is only so much you can do to help someone, but if they literally tear/burn it down, there is simply no point wasting any further effort or funds that could be used elsewhere.

Children should be removed and taken into care, probably what the adults want for a number of reasons,

maybe they are holding out for a property with stables

Richard Hillman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZgtEdFAg3s

Gatling

I gave up after I heard the kids walk through a mucky shortcut and their shoes get dirty ........

Duh don't walk through the mucky shortcut then

Hoboo

b0nk1e wrote: »

I wonder how all the rubbish got onto the halting site, it's a complete mystery how that might have occurred.

Because settled people keep fly tipping there.

suicide_circus

Gatling wrote: »

I gave up after I heard the kids walk through a mucky shortcut and their shoes get dirty ........

Duh don't walk through the mucky shortcut then

Hilarious

[Deleted User]

I worked teaching English for a while in Spain.

I remember over the course of Christmas to summer in a certain class, the numbers went from 20 to 8. The full-time teacher explained that the gypsies stopped going to school once they hit 16 and the state wasn't paying for them anymore.

I'm not sure how you deal with that for the parents but hopefully the kids will have a better attitude towards their own children's education and over the generation or two, it changes.

Larbre34

Kids of a settled family found to be living in those conditions would be removed and placed into foster care while the parents were investigated and taken to task.

For some reason, when it is replicated in Traveller accommodation, anyone and everyone EXCEPT the parents are investigated for it. Quite literally, the people reading this forum are being blamed more than the kids' parents.

Until that changes, nothing will.

MrMusician18

Hoboo wrote: »

Because settled people keep fly tipping there.

That line will never get old!

Thelonious Monk

If you look at any of these stories on Twitter, everyone is on the travellers side and blame everyone else for allowing this kind of thing to happen. Politicians, journalists, academics etc.
It's not going to change any time soon and they'll continue to be pandered to and we'll continue paying to clean up after them.
You're better off just accepting this as how it is, because we all know nothing is going to change in our lifetimes.

eviltwin

Larbre34 wrote: »

Kids of a settled family found to be living in those conditions would be removed and placed into foster care while the parents were investigated and taken to task.

For some reason, when it is replicated in Traveller accommodation, anyone and everyone EXCEPT the parents are investigated for it. Quite literally, the people reading this forum are being blamed more than the kids' parents.

Until that changes, nothing will.

TUSLA always go for the low hanging fruit

[Deleted User]

Couples made a choice to conceive children in such circumstances although no intelligent prospective parent would bring a child in to that environment. One or two children may be conceived by chance but by the time you get to the sixth or seventh child in a family it is just bare faced neglect.

Hoboo

MrMusician18 wrote: »

That line will never get old!

Nor will pointing it out.

jmayo

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

If you look at any of these stories on Twitter, everyone is on the travellers side and blame everyone else for allowing this kind of thing to happen. Politicians, journalists, academics etc.
It's not going to change any time soon and they'll continue to be pandered to and we'll continue paying to clean up after them.
You're better off just accepting this as how it is, because we all know nothing is going to change in our lifetimes.

It will eventually because with the way this country and a lot of Western nations are going, sooner or later right wing is going to take over.
Brexit was one example of this where people stop listening to mainstream parties and just went screw it.

Now of course what is termed right wing today would back in the day of the real right wingers be termed centrist or hell even left wing.
What Labour in the UK espoused in the 60s regarding immigration would today be labelled as far right.

TomTomTim

Larbre34 wrote: »

Kids of a settled family found to be living in those conditions would be removed and placed into foster care while the parents were investigated and taken to task.

For some reason, when it is replicated in Traveller accommodation, anyone and everyone EXCEPT the parents are investigated for it. Quite literally, the people reading this forum are being blamed more than the kids' parents.

Until that changes, nothing will.

Secondary targets. It's a very common thing in politics now days. Instead of focusing on the source of the problem, focus on the people reacting to the source. In this instance it's not the people reacting who are being made guilty, but it usually is.

punisher5112

Get them working, they are extremely good at driveways and helping the elderly. Why can't they put their energy to good use and clean up where they live themselves, I'm sure they could stop us settled folk from fly tipping on their doorstep s

Ri_Nollaig

MrMusician18 wrote: »

That line will never get old!

It is 'settled people' rubbish alright, as the Travellers are happy to act as unauthorized garbage collectors. For a nominal fee obviously
They have done this several times at this particular halting site and when it gets bad enough they know the council will eventually come and clear it.

[Deleted User]

eviltwin wrote: »

TUSLA always go for the low hanging fruit

Balony. They investigate all reports.

Typical bashing the public service attitude.

MrMusician18

According to the minister the state has failed travellers:

It must be acknowledged that the State has “repeatedly failed” Travellers over time, the Minister for Community Development and Charities Joe O’Brien has said

If argue that travellers have equally failed the rest of us too.

[Deleted User]

We have a Minister for charities now? Jesus Christ they do like to make up jobs dont they?