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Carrying on with the discussion as the other thread is full

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2055766866/1

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westtip

end of the road wrote: »

oh there is money for it alright......
some sf members agree with west on track, .

I don't think there is money for it and as Jaspers pointed out it would be highly unlikely to get European funding, re SF members agreeing or not with WOT well it is party policy to back the WRC, if they disagree with party policy then it is, shall we say frowned upon or more to the point not allowed. I am sure some of the near 26,000 people who have now signed the change.org petition must be SF voters, and favour the GWay, but low and behold if they are party members and speak against party policy, then they will face expulsion. It is on this basis I use the acronym SF/WOT, they are the only mainstream political party totally committed to wasting public money on the WRC, so I guess the policy of kick the can until they get into power appears to be working for the rail campaigners.

end of the road

westtip wrote: »

I don't think there is money for it and as Jaspers pointed out it would be highly unlikely to get European funding, re SF members agreeing or not with WOT well it is party policy to back the WRC, if they disagree with party policy then it is, shall we say frowned upon or more to the point not allowed. I am sure some of the near 26,000 people who have now signed the change.org petition must be SF voters, and favour the GWay, but low and behold if they are party members and speak against party policy, then they will face expulsion. It is on this basis I use the acronym SF/WOT, they are the only mainstream political party totally committed to wasting public money on the WRC, so I guess the policy of kick the can until they get into power appears to be working for the rail campaigners.

it doesn't matter what your reasons for using it are, there is no such thing as SF/WOT.
that is just the reality, they are both separate organisations.

westtip

end of the road wrote: »

it doesn't matter what your reasons for using it are, there is no such thing as SF/WOT.
that is just the reality, they are both separate organisations.

Yes fair enough but I like using it, it has a certain ring to it.

eastwest

end of the road wrote: »

once again there is no SF/WOT.
there is sf and west on track, both separate groups.
some sf members agree with west on track, and some supporters including myself agree with west on track, and maybe some people who happen to be members of sf are part of the group, but that is where things end.

It's probably not too far wrong to conflate both at this stage. WOT was originally a community driven group, but that support has disappeared as report after report has showed that the premise is nonsense.
The remaining rump of WOT is strongly influenced by SF, with a lot of crossover. Their (SF) recent instructions to their most recently appointed MEP for instance were to use his European advertising budget to promote WOT.
Scratch the surface of WOT, and it's all SF.

end of the road

eastwest wrote: »

It's probably not too far wrong to conflate both at this stage. WOT was originally a community driven group, but that support has disappeared as report after report has showed that the premise is nonsense.
The remaining rump of WOT is strongly influenced by SF, with a lot of crossover. Their (SF) recent instructions to their most recently appointed MEP for instance were to use his European advertising budget to promote WOT.
Scratch the surface of WOT, and it's all SF.

it's very wrong given it's factually incorrect that they are 1 group.

everything else in your post amounts to sf simply agree with rebuilding the WRC, nothing more.

westtip

end of the road wrote: »

it's very wrong given it's factually incorrect that they are 1 group.

everything else in your post amounts to sf simply agree with rebuilding the WRC, nothing more.

SF/WOT it does have certain ring to it and lets face it they are the only political party that openly supports the railway coming back. It must be the one part of their political mantra that has so limited community support that it could actually leak them a few votes in Galway and Mayo, probably not enough to damage them, not so much in Sligo as the greenway is a done deal there, SF/WOT have tried to oppose it at council level and been put in their place, mind you SF/WOT may yet play an anti-community spoiler card there.

end of the road

westtip wrote: »

SF/WOT it does have certain ring to it and lets face it they are the only political party that openly supports the railway coming back. It must be the one part of their political mantra that has so limited community support that it could actually leak them a few votes in Galway and Mayo, probably not enough to damage them, not so much in Sligo as the greenway is a done deal there, SF/WOT have tried to oppose it at council level and been put in their place, mind you SF/WOT may yet play an anti-community spoiler card there.

there is no SF/WOT, both are separate groups.
actually the WRC seems to have quite a bit of support, in fact i wouldn't be surprised if support was underestimated.
in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if you engaging in nonsense such as SF/WOT isn't changing some minds given that people tend to not wish to side with individuals who have to resort to being disrespectful to others.
sf managing to stop the greenway isn't anti-community, it's pro-community given that the likely hood of the community receiving any real boost isn't that much from what i can see.

westtip

end of the road wrote: »

there is no SF/WOT, both are separate groups.
actually the WRC seems to have quite a bit of support, in fact i wouldn't be surprised if support was underestimated.
in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if you engaging in nonsense such as SF/WOT isn't changing some minds given that people tend to not wish to side with individuals who have to resort to being disrespectful to others.
sf managing to stop the greenway isn't anti-community, it's pro-community given that the likely hood of the community receiving any real boost isn't that much from what i can see.

in fact I think you are wrong, in fact there is massive community support for the Greenway in fact most people understand the reality of life. In fact I support the railway too but in fact I know it will not realised and if it is in fact it will be a complete waste of money but in fact when I get my bus pass I will in fact use the railway but in fact at least you have acknowledged that SF are trying to stop the greenway in fact SF/WOT seems to be a good acronynm. That's a fact I would say.

away with yerr with your self proclaimg facts.

westtip

end of the road wrote: »

there is no SF/WOT, both are separate groups.

sf managing to stop the greenway isn't anti-community, it's pro-community

Ah well there is of course no SF/WOT.:D:D

:rolleyes::rolleyes::mad::mad:

[Deleted User]

end of the road wrote: »

once again there is no SF/WOT.
there is sf and west on track, both separate groups.
some sf members agree with west on track, and some supporters including myself agree with west on track, and maybe some people who happen to be members of sf are part of the group, but that is where things end.

I think Gerry Adams has denied being a member of WOT, but may have known people who were in it or associated with them in the past. :pac:

eastwest

end of the road wrote: »

there is no SF/WOT, both are separate groups.
actually the WRC seems to have quite a bit of support, in fact i wouldn't be surprised if support was underestimated.
in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if you engaging in nonsense such as SF/WOT isn't changing some minds given that people tend to not wish to side with individuals who have to resort to being disrespectful to others.
sf managing to stop the greenway isn't anti-community, it's pro-community given that the likely hood of the community receiving any real boost isn't that much from what i can see.

It's too much of a coincidence that the SF MEP in question, a complete unknown who was their sixth choice for the seat vacated by Matt Carthy, would be ordered to spend the GUE -ALDE advertising money on trying to.persuade mayo and Galway councillors to block a greenway. This money was provided by his EP group to promote the group in the constituency, but he was obviously told to use it to try to bolster support for WOT in the face of a huge surge in local support for the greenway in east mayo and Galway. His seat is shaky, he has poor visibility across the constituency and could really have used that funding to better advantage instead of using it to promote a daft option that isn't going to happen and that the population doesn't even want.
It is clear to any calm analyst that SF/WOT was operating as one entity in this case, at least.

westtip

end of the road wrote: »

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sf managing to stop the greenway isn't anti-community, it's pro-community.

Is this officially SF policy?

dinneenp

What does WOT stand for?.....

Sam Russell

dinneenp wrote: »

What does WOT stand for?.....

West On Track.

A group attempting to revive the long closed sections of the Victorian rural railways through very under populated sections of the remote countryside of East Galway and East Mayo, linking small towns to other even smaller towns.

westtip

Sam Russell wrote: »

West On Track.

A group attempting to revive the long closed sections of the Victorian rural railways through very under populated sections of the remote countryside of East Galway and East Mayo, linking small towns to other even smaller towns.

An excellent description could have added "for no apparent reason other than they have the LUAS and Dart in Dublin"

Decades

eastwest wrote: »

It's too much of a coincidence that the SF MEP in question, a complete unknown who was their sixth choice for the seat vacated by Matt Carthy, would be ordered to spend the GUE -ALDE advertising money on trying to.persuade mayo and Galway councillors to block a greenway. This money was provided by his EP group to promote the group in the constituency, but he was obviously told to use it to try to bolster support for WOT in the face of a huge surge in local support for the greenway in east mayo and Galway. His seat is shaky, he has poor visibility across the constituency and could really have used that funding to better advantage instead of using it to promote a daft option that isn't going to happen and that the population doesn't even want.
It is clear to any calm analyst that SF/WOT was operating as one entity in this case, at least.

What's his name again?

Sam Russell

Decades wrote: »

What's his name again?

It says it in the post - a complete unknown.

Decades

Sam Russell wrote: »

It says it in the post - a complete unknown.

Nice to see some Bob Dylan lyrics slipping in for the day that's in it.

MayoForSam

Decades wrote: »

Nice to see some Bob Dylan lyrics slipping in for the day that's in it.

If the WRC was a person, then it would probably be like the loner in 'Like A Rolling Stone", fallen from grace, not talking so loud or seeming so proud anymore. Bob could have written a fine song about the travails of our dearly beloved route.

end of the road

dinneenp wrote: »

What does WOT stand for?.....

west on track.
they are a campaign group campaigning for the reopening of the long distance regional main line between athenry and claremorris in co. mayo, and eventually the branch to sligo so as to open up a rail route through the west, which in turn will allow an east west cross country rail link avoiding dublin, allowing for greater journey opportunities via rail and bring regional and cross country connectivity.

westtip

Sam Russell wrote: »

West On Track.

A group attempting to revive the long closed sections of the Victorian rural railways through very under populated sections of the remote countryside of East Galway and East Mayo, linking small towns to other even smaller towns.

end of the road wrote: »

west on track.
they are a campaign group campaigning for the reopening of the long distance regional main line between athenry and claremorris in co. mayo, and eventually the branch to sligo so as to open up a rail route through the west, which in turn will allow an east west cross country rail link avoiding dublin, allowing for greater journey opportunities via rail and bring regional and cross country connectivity.

Take your pick, the former pretty much gives you the reality of what they hope to achieve, the latter is the same without the reality applied and the view taken with very rose coloured spectacles worn at the time.

[Deleted User]

They may actually get further phases reopened and more power to them if they do, I'll enjoy cycling on the greenway that will be alongside the reopened sections.

The reality is though that its not likely to happen for the next 50+ years, at best, so may as well use the route for something else in the meantime.

westtip

Yep DC youi never know and they may achieve what they are after, can't see it personally and if it does happen it will the ghost train of ireland. There is simply not the volume of freight/passengers to give the idea any credence, but you never knosw.

[Deleted User]

Just to make it official

westtip

Deleted User wrote: »

Just to make it official

But, but but but but doesn't West on Track have the unanimous support of all county and city councils in the West......Oh I forgot Sligo coco and now Galway city council officially back the greenway option......:rolleyes::rolleyes:

happyoutscan

For anyone unsure of what a simple Greenway can bring, go and visit Newport. A derelict, downtrodden and unassuming village 10 years ago that is now flying it (as is Mulranny further along).

More life in these villages than an empty rail could ever bring.

westtip

happyoutscan wrote: »

For anyone unsure of what a simple Greenway can bring, go and visit Newport. A derelict, downtrodden and unassuming village 10 years ago that is now flying it (as is Mulranny further along).

More life in these villages than an empty rail could ever bring.

Doesn't make any difference how much any of us may scream that message out SF/WOT will not listen, But yes you are so right as so many others over the years have said over and over and over and over.........ad nauseum, they will not listen and would prefer to have empty trains twice a day and a freight train bringing dirty waste into the west of ireland to clean up other peoples mess.

eastwest

happyoutscan wrote: »

For anyone unsure of what a simple Greenway can bring, go and visit Newport. A derelict, downtrodden and unassuming village 10 years ago that is now flying it (as is Mulranny further along).

More life in these villages than an empty rail could ever bring.

Or look at Kilmacthomas in Waterford. Falling apart three tears ago, now flying. And because of the Waterford greenway, the county is now seen as a good fit for tech companies who look for quality of life factors in order to be able to recruit and retain staff.
But try explaining that to a SF/WOT councillor!

monument

westtip wrote: »

SF/WOT it does have certain ring to it and lets face it they are the only political party that openly supports the railway coming back. It must be the one part of their political mantra that has so limited community support that it could actually leak them a few votes in Galway and Mayo, probably not enough to damage them, not so much in Sligo as the greenway is a done deal there, SF/WOT have tried to oppose it at council level and been put in their place, mind you SF/WOT may yet play an anti-community spoiler card there.

You’ve been warned before and there’s been recent in-thread warnings — banned for a week for trolling / disruptive posting (ie “SF/WOT”)

— moderator

Decades

West on Trackers are like the parish priest, and his ageing and diminishing hareem of apostolics, trying to banish liberalism, or the Bull McCabe beating back the waves screaming "leave him alone". Walking, running and cycling, as elements of a quality life, are unstoppable forces. There will be greenways. Each of the greenway campaigns will know their own "special moment" when their particular proposal was cemented and accepted. Pennies drop. It's really just a matter of time. Ridiculously, it won't be Minister Eamon Ryan that delivers (either rail or greenway), but that would be Eamon for you.