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Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

Trampas

With Shane going to be starting his first full year on the tour what does he need to do to make him a better golfer?

I see he is 121st in scrambling so I guess his short game needs a touch up.

I say fitness is a key also.

Thankfully he has exemptions which should take some pressure of his game to allow his improve areas of his game he feels need strengthening.

MOD EDIT: Zero discussions around Shane's weight or body shape, any such posts will result in warnings, thank you

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abff

Poker Face wrote: »

34 world ranking pts behind Perez who he needs to pass at moment. In ranking pts is that a big lead to have to claw back?

Not that big. Double points are being awarded between now and the cut off date.

Shane earned 23 world ranking points for his tied 4th finish yesterday, giving him 46 points in the Ryder Cup World Points table. A couple of top 10s over the coming weeks would probably get him past Perez's current total.

But the likelihood is that Perez will also pick up world ranking points, so the key issue is the extent to which Shane can outperform Perez. And I would be more concerned about those who are currently just below Shane in the rankings, given how poorly Perez has performed since finishing 4th in the WGC matchplay.

Shane is only 22 points ahead of Justin Rose, with MacIntyre, Willett, Garcia, Wiesberger and Wallace next in line behind Rose. I think it's quite likely that at least some of these will be ahead of Perez by the time qualifying finishes.

First Up

Grey Fox wrote:

Thats not human nature, we all show favouritism to our mates or people who have benefitted us.

Not when you have been entrusted with something like the Ryder Cup captaincy you don't.

Harrington would be happy (and relieved) if Lowry qualified in his own right or is playing so well that picking him is beyond argument.

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Poker Face wrote: »

34 world ranking pts behind Perez who he needs to pass at moment. In ranking pts is that a big lead to have to claw back?

He got 23 points for his T4 yesterday which I think is worth double in the Ryder Cup rankings at the moment so it's not that big a gap but then again not all tournaments carry the weight of a major championship. This also helps him as well in that he won't be swallowed up by players behind him unless they bring in big results.

callaway92

BrianD3 wrote: »

Harrington is a clever man, I wonder was there a bit of psychology in yesterday's interview where he was talking about how great it was paying with Lowry. IMO this makes it LESS likely that Lowry will get a captain's pick. Lowry will know this and it could help him push himself to play his way into the automatic places. In which case, everyone wins.

I mean... You're reading into the interview too deeply.

Johnny_Fontane

Early doors yet, but as of today, but if it was being picked today, Lowry would be going I think.

Rahm/Fleetwood/Hatton/Rors/Hovland/Casey/Westwood/Matty Fitz and Victor Perez are the automatic selections.

That leaves Lowry, Bobby Mc, Sergio, Rose, Bernd, Willett, Mike Wallace for the top 3.

His experience of the big pressure events, would definitely favour him over at least 4 players there, think Podge would take Rose, Lowry and Sergio.

It can very quickly change, but Lowry's ryder cup hinges on his performance at Torrey/RSG for the next two majors.

First Up

Johnny_Fontane wrote:

It can very quickly change, but Lowry's ryder cup hinges on his performance at Torrey/RSG for the next two majors.

It isn't just down to him. The team needs RC experience. The more rookies who qualify automatically, the less rookies will be picked.

Johnny_Fontane

First Up wrote: »

It isn't just down to him. The team needs RC experience. The more rookies who qualify automatically, the less rookies will be picked.

doesn't always come down to Ryder Cup experience, rookies who are playing well are far more valuable than veterans playing poorly (hi Phil). Normally RC rookies are not major champions. I think he is in a little different category for that reason. The fact that he plays week in week out on the PGA tour is a big plus. Think he makes the flight even if he is rookie 3/4 or even 5.

But again depends on his game in the really big events.

Johnny_Fontane

abff wrote: »

I think they both win $462,250.

Prize money for the top ten is as follows:

1st (Winner): $2,160,000 -- Phil Mickelson
2nd: $1,296,000
3rd: $816,000
4th: $576,000
5th: $480,000
6th: $413,000
7th: $380,000
8th: $350,000
9th: $320,000
10th: $297,000

The six footer on 18 was worth $353,750. :eek::eek::eek:

PARlance

It's interesting to read all the talk of will he/won't he with regards Harrington picking him.

It's a bit of an underestimation of Shane himself imo. He knew he needed a big year and he's going about it the right way.

Players 8th
Masters T23
USPGA T4

All in the last 10 weeks or so. With the US Open and his defensive of The Open coming up... I don't think he'll be even thinking about relying on a favour from his friend.

CSWS101

PARlance wrote: »

It's interesting to read all the talk of will he/won't he with regards Harrington picking him.

It's a bit of an underestimation of Shane himself imo. He knew he needed a big year and he's going about it the right way.

Players 8th
Masters T23
USPGA T4

All in the last 10 weeks or so. With the US Open and his defensive of The Open coming up... I don't think he'll be even thinking about relying on a favour from his friend.

Yeah but you're also forgetting he bought his house his florida and brought the lucozade & dairy milk for the round yesterday so the favour is in the bag anyway

TheCitizen

BrianD3 wrote: »

Harrington is a clever man, I wonder was there a bit of psychology in yesterday's interview where he was talking about how great it was paying with Lowry. IMO this makes it LESS likely that Lowry will get a captain's pick. Lowry will know this and it could help him push himself to play his way into the automatic places. In which case, everyone wins.

Does not compute

First Up

Johnny_Fontane wrote:

doesn't always come down to Ryder Cup experience, rookies who are playing well are far more valuable than veterans playing poorly (hi Phil). Normally RC rookies are not major champions. I think he is in a little different category for that reason. The fact that he plays week in week out on the PGA tour is a big plus. Think he makes the flight even if he is rookie 3/4 or even 5.

It comes down to lots of things but there is limited room for rookies so the fewer the better would be in his interests.

dublin49

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

The six footer on 18 was worth $353,750. :eek::eek::eek:

are you sure,he would have been 4th on his own getting 500k+ instead of 400k,am I missing something?

One name not been mentioned for a pick is Poulter,if he comes up at all the clamour for his inclusion will be deafening.

willabur

can you imagine the blowback from SKY Sports if he doesn't pick Poulter. Every single time he is on screen they talk about it in some shape or form

PARlance

willabur wrote: »

can you imagine the blowback from SKY Sports if he doesn't pick Poulter. Every single time he is on screen they talk about it in some shape or form

Poulter will be there in one way or another imo. Paddy has still to name another VC doesn't he?

callaway92

I think Poulter isn’t a mile off warranting a wildcard pick. Had had a really steady year - always seems to makes cuts.

Distance is his issue but Ryder Cup format allows for that.

Wouldn’t say he’s a no brainer pick but I’d like him there ahead of a Wiesberger anyway.

abff

dublin49 wrote: »

are you sure,he would have been 4th on his own getting 500k+ instead of 400k,am I missing something?

One name not been mentioned for a pick is Poulter,if he comes up at all the clamour for his inclusion will be deafening.

The calculation seems to have been based on finishing 3rd on his own. Simple enough error to make.

I agree with you about Poulter. Will definitely get a pick if he’s showing any type of form coming up to the event.

joebloggs32

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

The six footer on 18 was worth $353,750. :eek::eek::eek:

The six footer was "only" worth $114 k.
It would have moved him from T4 to 4th all on his own, giving him the fourth placed cheque all on his own for $576k.

hurleronditch

Grey Fox wrote: »

Thats not human nature, we all show favouritism to our mates or people who have benefitted us.

In positions of responsibility it’s often not the case, as deemed ethical and moral obligation may make people negatively discriminate also.

Golfhead65

abff wrote: »

If it was something you had been trying to keep secret, then it would definitely raise eyebrows. As it's already in the public arena, I don't see it as being an issue.

His friendship with Lowry is a much bigger issue. I have a feeling that if Shane is in need of a pick and is close to qualifying automatically, Padraig will weigh up his options very carefully and would be quite likely to consult with his vice captains and anyone else he feels is relevant before making a decision in relation to Shane.

I think there would need to be a clear consensus that Shane is a better pick than whoever else is in the frame, but is not getting one of the other 2 wild cards.

Not many of the other wildcard options can boast of being a recent Major winner, this will count for a lot in the final reckoning if Shane needs a pick

Rikand

European Points List (top 4 from this automatically qualify)
Rank|Player|Points
1|Jon RAHM|5,185.82
2|Tommy FLEETWOOD|4,911.26
3|Tyrrell HATTON|4,860.56
4|Rory MCILROY|3,975.19
5|Victor PEREZ|3,676.75
6|Matthew FITZPATRICK|2,940.90
7|Bernd WIESBERGER|2,742.13
8|Paul CASEY|2,679.16
9|Robert MACINTYRE|2,665.57
10|Danny WILLETT|2,318.39
11|Matthias SCHWAB|2,262.97
12|Lee WESTWOOD|2,220.65
13|Justin ROSE|2,120.95
14|Shane LOWRY|1,864.31

World Points List (top 5 from this automatically qualify outside of those 4 qualified from above)
Rank|Player|Points
1|Jon RAHM|378.78
2|Rory MCILROY|344.97
3|Tyrrell HATTON|269.02
4|Viktor HOVLAND|241.40
5|Paul CASEY|227.31
6|Lee WESTWOOD|226.98
7|Tommy FLEETWOOD|203.60
8|Matthew FITZPATRICK|200.36
9|Victor PEREZ|187.37
10|Shane LOWRY|154.09
11|Justin ROSE|132.38
12|Robert MACINTYRE|128.94
13|Danny WILLETT|123.46
14|Sergio GARCIA|115.58
15|Bernd WIESBERGER|101.62
16|Matt WALLACE|101.49

Blue are those who are qualifying as it stands from the European Points List.
Green are those who are qualifying as it stands from the World Points List.

Bernd Wiesberger the highest points scorer on the European Points list not already qualified, so if Padraig is going to take at least one more player from that list, then he is in pole position.

Shane Lowry the highest points scorer on the World Points list not already qualified, so if Padraig is going to take at least one more player from the world points list, then he is in pole position.

After that for the final pick, who the feck knows lol but Justin Rose or Sergio Garcia I would think the most likely given their previous Ryder Cup records and I think he will favour someone with experience to make up the final spot over a rookie such as MacIntyre, especially playing in the US.
He recently spoke about Garcia's pedigree in the Ryder Cup and of his record and said if Sergio was in need of a pick, he felt he would have to pick him based on his experience.

dublin49

if it was tomorrow .I would pick Shane ,Rose and Sergio,and I think Paddy would pick Shane and Rose and would have to decide between Weisberger and Sergio.If Sergio needs a pick come August there will be a lot of coverage around the previous bad feeling between Paddy and Sergio.

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dublin49 wrote: »

if it was tomorrow .I would pick Shane ,Rose and Sergio,and I think Paddy would pick Shane and Rose and would have to decide between Weisberger and Sergio.If Sergio needs a pick come August there will be a lot of coverage around the previous bad feeling between Paddy and Sergio.

I agree with the first 3 as it stands at the moment. Sergio the most points winner in the history of the Ryder Cup goes before Wiesberger 10 times out of 10 based on current form and experience.

endabob1

dublin49 wrote: »

if it was tomorrow .I would pick Shane ,Rose and Sergio,and I think Paddy would pick Shane and Rose and would have to decide between Weisberger and Sergio.If Sergio needs a pick come August there will be a lot of coverage around the previous bad feeling between Paddy and Sergio.

Agree with this, I think Rose is a shoe in, if Shane is in the same place at pick time I think he goes. I think the Sergio one will be interesting, suspect Harrington will look at the big picture, currently it's looking a pretty experienced team (2/3 rookies inc Shane) so he may go with a wildcard but if he feels that he needs an old head it could still conceivably be Poulter ahead of Sergio, although personally I would pick Sergio.

abff

dublin49 wrote: »

I think Paddy would pick Shane and Rose and would have to decide between Weisberger and Sergio. If Sergio needs a pick come August there will be a lot of coverage around the previous bad feeling between Paddy and Sergio.

That would certainly put a lot of pressure on Padraig. Just as he would need to have strong justification to include Shane, he would also need strong justification to exclude Sergio.

I wouldn’t like to be in Padraig’s position if there are two obvious wild card picks and a choice between Shane and Sergio for the third spot.

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Shane and Sergio are both ahead of Rose at the moment I would imagine in Padraig's head. One in terms of form and Sergio is ahead of him in experience for the team.

There are no issues anymore with Padraig & Sergio. They were sorted out years ago at McIlroy's wedding so I don't think any previous will come into the decision making process.

The Big Easy

Harrington told the telegraph just before the PGA (I've copied the article below that Sergio would have to lose a limb not to make the team and also intimated that Shane was a pick as a major winner cannot really be referred to as a rookie. He also suggested Poulter was ahead of Rose in his thinking. Obviously ideally Shane gets in and he picks Sergio, JR and Poults, but as we all know we don't live in an ideal world so expect someone to be unhappy and I think JR would have to feel a little aggrieved if he missed out.

Europe captain Padraig Harrington has revealed Sergio Garcia “nearly needs to lose a limb” to miss out on a wildcard for September’s Ryder Cup and that Ian Poulter is “not far behind” as he considers his three picks for Whistling Straits.

Harrington also believes that the top nine in the Europe standings “look pretty well set” to qualify automatically.

The Irishman’s comments before Thursday’s first round of the USPGA Championship here at the Ocean Course, are bound to raise a few eyebrows in the camps of Justin Rose, Francesco Molinari, Henrik Stenson, Danny Willett and reigning Open champion, Shane Lowry.

As a supposed Europe stalwart who is only a few places off the automatic berths, Rose could feel especially shocked to hear he could essentially be in a dogfight for one spot.

Meanwhile, rookies such as Bob MacIntyre and Matt Wallace must now believe they require dramatic headway in the last few months of the points race to make it by right.

Speaking candidly to Telegraph Sport, Harrington said: “If you look at the team, the top nine guys are well up there. Yes, from now on it is double points [per qualifying event], the reason being that if someone plays well, form will be rewarded, but only one guy is going to play their way in at most.

“I would say the experienced players will now be playing to impress and the rookies should know they have to play their way in.

“If you look at the guys who aren’t in, it would be a very odd decision to overlook Sergio and Poulter so that doesn’t leave very much does it? Which is difficult. Justin is the perfect example. He showed at Augusta [where he finished seventh] that he likes the big event. And what if Frankie starts playing well?

“You got four or five Ryder Cup players in contention. Sergio will nearly need to lose a limb not to be picked and Poulter is not far behind him. Nobody is guaranteed a pick, but, well, you have to think with Sergio and Ian…”

Garcia is currently in 13th in the standings and with his status as the match’s all-time record point scorer, it would, indeed, be difficult to envisage the Spaniard being denied a 10th appearance.

Poulter, in contrast, is way down in 28th and is without a strokeplay top 10 in seven months. And despite the 45-year-old’s past performances and reputation in the biennial dust-up, Harrington’s bullishness regarding Poulter's candidature is a surprise. He is 67th in the world and has not even yet qualified for next month’s US Open in Torrey Pines.

However, Harrington clearly recalls Poulter’s stunning contribution in the 2012 success in Medinah, the only time the away side has won in the last 17 years. “I wouldn’t say it is impossible for the visiting team to come through but the results suggest it is getting that way,” Harrington said. “If you think the last time we did it, it was classed as a flaming ‘miracle’ and the US haven’t done it since what, 1993?

“That’s down to course set-up, but the good thing this year is that I’m not sure the Americans can set up Whistling Straits as a birdie-fest. It’s links-style, it’ll be windy and should play into European hands. It’s a Pete Dye layout like the Ocean Course and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that we had European winners of majors at both of them [Martin Kaymer at Whistling Straits in 2010 and Rory McIlroy here in 2012].

“I would see this [US] PGA as a good chance for our guys and I would love to have one or more of this year’s major-winners in my team. Particularly a major on US soil as it’s been a while.”

Indeed, there have been 12 American majors since Garcia’s Masters glory in 2017, the longest barren stretch for Europe in the US since Harrington, himself, ended the humbling void of 28 US majors at this event in 2008.

abff

I’m surprised that Padraig was that forthright in his comments. I can’t imagine he was being careless, so I expect he had an agenda in making those remarks. It’s certainly a call to arms for those currently on the fringe of automatic qualification.

Regarding his assertion that the current top 9 are pretty well set, I would said Perez as being particularly at risk unless he can recover his form from earlier this season. Fitzpatrick also looks vulnerable, but the top 7 only need to show reasonable form over the next few months in order to qualify automatically.

Mind you, if anyone currently in the top 7 fails to qualify automatically, it will mean that they have failed to deliver any decent results over the next few months and that would probably rule them out of the reckoning for a wild card pick. Although, if it was Fleetwood or Westwood ...

eagle eye

Shane is definitely trending in the right direction.

abff

I note that MacIntyre (46th in the World Rankings) and Wiesberger (65th) are the two highest ranked players in this week’s European Tour event, but the winner of this event will earn more world ranking points than Lowry and Harrington did for their tied 4th finish in the PGA.

A win or solo second place will put MacIntyre ahead of Shane in the Ryder Cup World Points list, while a win will put Wiesberger within 5 points of Shane.