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Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Fratton Fred

To avoid derailing other SCD threads, I thought I'd add a Dun Laoghaire thread.

My main query, is does anyone know what is going on outside the train station? It looks like they are putting a crossing in twenty metres from the crossroads. Surely not?

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duploelabs

p15574 wrote: »

Cyclists pay exactly the same as motorists for the roads and cycle lanes.

Wait, cyclists are paying road tax now? When did that happen?

Mav11

p15574 wrote: »

Cyclists pay exactly the same as motorists for the roads and cycle lanes.

OK.

ted1

p15574 wrote: »

Cyclists pay exactly the same as motorists for the roads and cycle lanes.

I am a cyclists who pays motor tax, for a car that sits on a private driveway must of the time. I get the feeling many people don’t think people like me exist

Do these people know the every body sitting on a bus , shooting up the bus lane is actually having their journey subsidised , that’s a real scandal

p15574

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

Exactly.
Look at all the lovely new bicycle lanes, taking over half of the road, that you can now use free of charge and at an inconvenience of the motorist who is paying to use these roads.

Cyclists pay exactly the same as motorists for the roads and cycle lanes.

Living Off The Splash

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Doesn't have to be new to be right. We seem to have an endless supply of people who expect society as a whole to subsidise their personal transport choices with free storage space.

Exactly.

You are the very person who went silent last year when the subject of cyclists paying tax similar to motor tax was discussed here.

Look at all the lovely new bicycle lanes, taking over half of the road, that you can now use free of charge and at an inconvenience of the motorist who is paying to use these roads.

Why should bicycle owners have free parking for their bicycles. Also using public and private fences, poles and other street furniture to secure their bicycles?

DunLaoghaire Rathdown had free parking on both Saturday and Sunday on many roads in the borough. This has now been reduced to free Sunday parking only. This is pure greed and money grabbing at best.

I am old enough to remember the days when I could park my car on Grafton street for free. Why should County Councils own parking spaces on public streets?

Larbre34

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Doesn't have to be new to be right. We seem to have an endless supply of people who expect society as a whole to subsidise their personal transport choices with free storage space.

In every high demand area in this City, both residents and visitors alike pay to park their cars. The only people who pay zero to store their personal transport choice in public locations, are cyclists.

Besides, who is society as a whole serving here, except society as a whole? Unless you want to see such an egalitarian system brought in that cyclists and motorists are charged alike, I suggest you stop making redundant comparisons and deal with the specific issues at hand.

punisher5112

If they allowed the 46a to start from the pavilion and then run back down by the dart I'd see no issues with that but a roundabout would need to be put in.....

Mav11

Could we not start the car vs bike vs public transport row again?

GT89

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Doesn't have to be new to be right. We seem to have an endless supply of people who expect society as a whole to subsidise their personal transport choices with free storage space.

Take private cars out of the equation as public transport users will be the most negatively effected because of these changes. Why don't you campaign for the street to be bus only again instead of fully pedestrianised.

Some cycle + walking campaigners need to realise public transport will make the roads safer and less congestated not contribute to the problem.

pm1977x

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Doesn't have to be new to be right. We seem to have an endless supply of people who expect society as a whole to subsidise their personal transport choices with free storage space.

You’re paying to lock your bike to bike stands are you? Or are you availing of free storage space for your personal property?

[Deleted User]

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

How many times have you posted this line before? Can you come up with something new?

Doesn't have to be new to be right. We seem to have an endless supply of people who expect society as a whole to subsidise their personal transport choices with free storage space.

GT89

Larbre34 wrote: »

Many of which already have some outside capacity. And besides, what is the new Square for, if not to allow people buy food and drink in all of them and gather on the Square?

Lets be honest too, on weekdays when people are back to work with relative normality, the outdoor dining is hardly likely to be busy. Seems a very weak case to be made for sacrificing the buses and taxis.

Yes the current setup on Georges Street Lwr. is fine atm I would say strikes the balance between pedestrian space and traffic presently with decent traffic calming measures. If it ain't broke.

Larbre34

GT89 wrote: »

Also if they're trying to get outdoor dining what restaurants and cafes are on Georges Street Lwr. apart from a few coffee shops and the Miami Cafe.

Many of which already have some outside capacity. And besides, what is the new Square for, if not to allow people buy food and drink in all of them and gather on the Square?

Lets be honest too, on weekdays when people are back to work with relative normality, the outdoor dining is hardly likely to be busy. Seems a very weak case to be made for sacrificing the buses and taxis.

Living Off The Splash

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why would you expect free storage space on public property for your private property?

How many times have you posted this line before? Can you come up with something new?

GT89

Also if they're trying to get outdoor dining what restaurants and cafes are on Georges Street Lwr. apart from a few coffee shops and the Miami Cafe.

GT89

Burt Renaults wrote: »

Clarence St will need to be realigned. When traffic towards Dún Laoghaire is heavy, buses coming around this corner from the station have no choice but to either wait until it's safe to cross the solid white line, or mount the pavement. Most tend to do the latter, which is an accident waiting to happen.

I suggest putting that in as a submission to DLRCC maybe DB, GAI or the NTA might do the same.

Zaney

Burt Renaults wrote: »

Clarence St will need to be realigned. When traffic towards Dún Laoghaire is heavy, buses coming around this corner from the station have no choice but to either wait until it's safe to cross the solid white line, or mount the pavement. Most tend to do the latter, which is an accident waiting to happen.

Don’t disagree, but nothing is planned. So the “summer streets” scheme could go ahead with no change to Clarence St except to add a bus stop which will increase the chaos.

Zaney

Garlinge wrote: »

Just back from Dun Laoire, not been in over 6 mths. Hope the new square is a success, it complements the open area in front of the hospital. Is Shaws closed now? It would be nice to see the carpark in front of the DFC on Cumberland Street being used at the weekend. There must be over 50 spaces there. It turned out a decent afternoon. I drove along the new seafront bikeway for the first time. Between the Purty Kitchen and Blackrock, I counted 6 bicycles and 2 bikers at side of road having a chat. I expected it to be busier for middle of a Sunday afternoon.

Shaws is closed on Sunday.

The cycleway would normally be busier than that. I wonder if just this weekend the novelty of shops being open and some rain showers have reduced numbers.

It can be packed on a sunny day. Numbers do drop a lot with the slightest doubt about the weather. And it’s all but abandoned on a very wet day.

Garlinge

Just back from Dun Laoire, not been in over 6 mths. Hope the new square is a success, it complements the open area in front of the hospital. Is Shaws closed now? It would be nice to see the carpark in front of the DFC on Cumberland Street being used at the weekend. There must be over 50 spaces there. It turned out a decent afternoon. I drove along the new seafront bikeway for the first time. Between the Purty Kitchen and Blackrock, I counted 6 bicycles and 2 bikers at side of road having a chat. I expected it to be busier for middle of a Sunday afternoon.

Larbre34

Agree.

Apart from that though the wider Dun Laoghaire area has a far older age demographic and rely on public transport to access services in the town more.

Now that I think of it, the HSE are opening a major new primary care and diagnostic centre on the third floor of the DL Shopping Centre, which will need proper bus service more than ever. Theres no way a restriction of the main street northbound to buses and taxis can proceed. The benefits absolutely do not outweigh the negatives.

duploelabs

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why would you expect free storage space on public property for your private property?

Quit banging the drum, we get it

[Deleted User]

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

Unfortunately the surrounding roads had free parking on a Saturday and Sunday. Now it is only free on a Sunday.

Why would you expect free storage space on public property for your private property?

Mav11

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

Unfortunately the surrounding roads had free parking on a Saturday and Sunday. Now it is only free on a Sunday.

Which is why people prefer to head to Stillorgan etc. and away from DL to do their shopping.

Living Off The Splash

JayRoc wrote: »

If someone has driven to Blackrock and wants to visit a shop or business they will simply have to walk from wherever they park their car and so far, it seems, that is working out fine.

Unfortunately the surrounding roads had free parking on a Saturday and Sunday. Now it is only free on a Sunday.

Mav11

Cyrus wrote: »

Let's be honest dun laoghaire apart from the obvious area from the pier to people's park is dying a death they need to try something.

Every time something is tried, the naysayers emerge from the woodwork and attempt to shoot it down. Makes it difficult to bring in any change, even in places where it is clearly needed.

Cyrus

Let's be honest dun laoghaire apart from the obvious area from the pier to people's park is dying a death they need to try something.

Larbre34

ted1 wrote: »

He is not an elected official so more than likely does not give a rats. And is supported by elected officials so they don’t get the heat

Nonsense. People in Dun Laoghaire are keenly aware what Councillors vote for what. They'll be anxious not to get this one wrong.

Larbre34

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It will also be moving the bus services nearer to a bunch of people, so swings and roundabouts I guess.

Thats just being churlish now.

Taking the buses away from the areas of highest demand in a locality cannot be dressed up as anything but a bad thing.

GT89

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It will also be moving the bus services nearer to a bunch of people, so swings and roundabouts I guess.

Not really taking the buses off Georges Street and away from the centre of the town is hardly handy for most people

[Deleted User]

Larbre34 wrote: »

Who gives a shyt about any of that? They are talking about moving the bus services further away from those who need them most.

The geometry of it has damn all to do with anything.

It will also be moving the bus services nearer to a bunch of people, so swings and roundabouts I guess.