coylemj wrote: » If the westbound (heading to town) 46A and 75 are routed back along Crofton Road and up Clarence ST. (retracing the outbound route), they will need to convert the junction at the bottom of Marine Road (Hartleys restaurant/Meadows & Byrne) to a roundabout to allow the buses to do a U-turn.
Blut2 wrote: » The half of Blackrock mainstreet from the pedestrian lights at SherryFitz/where Cafe Java was up to Wetherspoons could definitely support a complete pedestrianization - just re-route the 114/17 slightly and it would be easily done. Theres very rarely any trouble, its lively enough, and there are enough hospitality businesses along there to benefit hugely from it. It'd be a fantastic 'village' atmosphere in summer.
coylemj wrote: » A three month 'trial' in the middle of summer (when it's bright until almost 11 p.m.) is all very well. But IIRC the problem that arose the last time they did this was that on winter evenings with no passing cars or buses, Georges St. was deserted and the centre of DL was a ghost town after dark because a lot of people (esp. lone women) didn't feel safe walking on empty streets.
coylemj wrote: » But there's plenty of businesses in Blackrock which are not on the main street and a lot of them rely on shoppers who park behind the Wicked Wolf and along Idrone Tce. The fact that they didn't completely close the main st. to cars was, I believe, a concession to those visitors.
Larbre34 wrote: » I don't think it should come to that though. It removes bus services from both shopping centres and the main shopping area. A big mistake.
Mav11 wrote: » I'm just back from Blackrock (I cycled), there's lot of outdoor cooking and BBQing on Main St. and Georges Ave. It lends to a great atmosphere and buzz around the village! It has to be good for trade.
Blut2 wrote: » The half of Blackrock mainstreet from the pedestrian lights at SherryFitz/where Cafe Java was up to Wetherspoons could definitely support a complete pedestrianization - just re-route the 114/17 slightly and it would be easily done. Theres very rarely any trouble, its lively enough, and there are enough hospitality businesses along there to benefit hugely from it. It'd be a fantastic 'village' atmosphere in summer. That section of Georges St in Dun Laoghaire though has more dodgy characters, is quieter, and has a lot fewer hospitality units though. Hopefully pedestrianization drives change, but I'd worry slightly. No harm in at least trialing it though.
coylemj wrote: » It's great for the businesses who serve food and are located along the main st. What about the traders on George's Ave. or up in the Frascati SC? The point is currently being made by traders in Dublin City that these new regulations principally serve one sector (cafes and restaurants) but in many cases, they make access more difficult for customers who patronise other businesses.
GT89 wrote: » But then you'd take away the 17 and 144 connection to the DART taking away an intermodal connection something which Dublin is already severely lacking. Routing buses onto Idrone terrace would be a tight squeeze and likely cause delays.
"Blut2 wrote: » The 17 and 114 could both route down Rock Hill (past Blackrock Cellar) to the DART station if that small one-way portion was restored to two-way. (or just made two-way bus-access only).
Larbre34 wrote: » They can not drive to places close to home. Dun Laoghaire is a day out on summer weekends. Someone living in Cabinteely or Ballinteer is going to pack the family into the car and walk the pier and have a Teddy's ice cream. Yes, some will cycle and hopefully Public Transport capacity will be closer to normal. But discouraging cars altogether is foolish and damaging.
Burt Renaults wrote: » They can pack their family onto a bus instead. Far better than clogging the roads up with their oversized cars. Someone living in Cabinteely or Ballinteer has plenty of public transport options. On the average sunny Sunday afternoon, Dún Laoghaire is completely clogged with cars - which prevents buses from moving, and in many cases results in curtailments.
GT89 wrote: » Not great atm with the reduced capacity on buses. Although buses in the UK are now back to full loads so hopefully Ireland won't be too far behind and 50% capacity causes less issues than 25%. The 75 seems to often have capacity issues at weekends in the summer even during normal times.
Burt Renaults wrote: » Many of those capacity issues, especially on Sunday afternoons and early evenings, are caused by the previous bus getting curtailed as a result of being stuck in traffic on the way into or out of Dún Laoghaire. If buses could move freely into and out of the town, there would be no capacity issues whatsoever.
Larbre34 wrote: » Evidence for that?
Burt Renaults wrote: » What, like photographic evidence? No, just first-hand experience of 75s being curtailed every sunny weekend afternoon because they got stuck in traffic on the way into Dún Laoghaire on their previous journey.
duploelabs wrote: » So anecdotal 'evidence'
Larbre34 wrote: » No, but they are restricted, delayed, limited, frustrated. One experience like that and the punters won't choose to come back.
Larbre34 wrote: » This guy Burns is a massive zealot.
patrickbrophy18 wrote: » I think the reroute of the 75 and especially, the 46A will have a smoother entrance from Clarence Street to York Road instead of the more or less 90 degree turn it currently takes from Georges Street Lower.
Burt Renaults wrote: » Clarence St will need to be realigned. When traffic towards Dún Laoghaire is heavy, buses coming around this corner from the station have no choice but to either wait until it's safe to cross the solid white line, or mount the pavement. Most tend to do the latter, which is an accident waiting to happen.
Larbre34 wrote: » Remember though, even when it was done originally from 2002, Buses and Taxis were never stopped from using George's Street. Morning deliveries were also facilitated. This guy Burns is a massive zealot.
Larbre34 wrote: » Who gives a shyt about any of that? They are talking about moving the bus services further away from those who need them most. The geometry of it has damn all to do with anything.
ted1 wrote: » It’s great to have someone with a vision. Who wants to make a difference, you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. The status quo could not carry on, especially with the constant infilling
Burt Renaults wrote: » Only two current bus stops will be affected. The one outside the old Shopping Centre (which will still be served by the 45a and 7) and the one outside Bloomfields/Argos. It's a very short distance down to the train station from Marine Rd, or to Clarence St from Lwr George's St. Ensuring that the roads are suitably aligned for >10.5m public service vehicles to safely negotiate before implementing any changes is absolutely vital.
