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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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Justin Credible Darts

decreds wrote: »

It's comedy gold watching Wibbs destroy the bleeding hearts/woke posters emotional arguments to this issue.

This thread could be closed at this stage, they don't have a leg to stand on.

never mind a leg, they have not got even the fact rights,.

they make a claim, based on nothing, then when asked to back up said claim they deflect.
They then change tactics and make outright ludicrous claims, and when they are dispelled,deflection mode comes to the fore again.

That is not counting the outright lies posted, things like "there are no illegal immigrants here"

or how illegals not paying tax, and depriving the Irish of jobs is a supposed benefit for us, despite our own irish people made to wait longer for housing.

some people seem almost ashamed to be irish and despise any semblance of irish culture or heritage.

decreds

It's comedy gold watching Wibbs destroy the bleeding hearts/woke posters emotional arguments to this issue.

This thread could be closed at this stage, they don't have a leg to stand on.

decreds

Wibbs wrote: »

"People like me" just posting realities.

Why should we as a nation do so? We already have an underclass, why import the potential for more and one with different issues on top? Non EU immigrants come here all the time and legally with it into education and careers. They don't require "the authorities to engage and encourage" them out. Why deliberately import those that do?
Good luck with that. Nowhere seems to have squared that circle, even after decades of outreach and education, government campaigns etc. Indians and East Asians are not immune to racism and yet do better on average, even above background, as do educated Africans who come here legally for work or study.

As I say we have enough homegrown social problems and they don't come cheap socially or financially, so why import more? Some misplaced form of charity? Charity, as the saying goes, begins at home.

This right here, if a political party approached uncontrolled reckless immigration that we are suffering from this point of view they would have my vote and over half a dozen within my family alone.

[Deleted User]

Wibbs wrote: »

. Why deliberately import those that do?
.

But we don't deliberately import persons who will be on welfare?

Wibbs

bubblypop wrote: »

They will be repeated so long as people like you keep repeating such stories.

"People like me" just posting realities.

Non EU immigrants are given permission to live here by our authorities, all it takes is for the authorities to engage and encourage out immigrants. Not just dump them on the dole queues.

Why should we as a nation do so? We already have an underclass, why import the potential for more and one with different issues on top? Non EU immigrants come here all the time and legally with it into education and careers. They don't require "the authorities to engage and encourage" them out. Why deliberately import those that do?

And racism, as you yourself admit, has a large part in keeping those African immigrants out of employment. Perhaps we should tackle that?

Good luck with that. Nowhere seems to have squared that circle, even after decades of outreach and education, government campaigns etc. Indians and East Asians are not immune to racism and yet do better on average, even above background, as do educated Africans who come here legally for work or study.

As I say we have enough homegrown social problems and they don't come cheap socially or financially, so why import more? Some misplaced form of charity? Charity, as the saying goes, begins at home.

[Deleted User]

Wibbs wrote: »

So in lieu of argument over a claim of "many posters" you run to pedantry? You like to claim lies in others but the truth and your position are uneasy bedfellows. Basically you're still hoping for your hail mary gotcha moment where you can recline in smug satisfaction that your position remains unassailable. God forbid you deal in good faith and factual debate. Is your position so delicate and undebatable that this is your only set of tactics? It seems it is.

Is lying arguing in good faith?

[Deleted User]

Wibbs wrote: »

There are very complex reasons for these different outcomes, but those reasons and outcomes seem remarkably intractable and are not going away any time soon and they will be repeated here. They already are and no amount of woolly headed naive if kind at heart thinking is likely to change it.

They will be repeated so long as people like you keep repeating such stories.
Non EU immigrants are given permission to live here by our authorities, all it takes is for the authorities to engage and encourage out immigrants. Not just dump them on the dole queues.

And racism, as you yourself admit, has a large part in keeping those African immigrants out of employment. Perhaps we should tackle that?

Wibbs

bubblypop wrote: »

And who or what do you think is to blame for that?

Racism and not getting the best of those demographics and easy access to one of the most generous social welfare systems on the planet. In the UK for example Nigerian folks do better on average across the board than Black Britons and White Britons for that matter. We got more chancers basically. Oh noes! How can you say that!! Well our own government departments say that as these days over 98% of Nigerians looking for asylum are refused. Apparently those who came here before more rigorous checks were different.

Worldwide in multicultural societies the same trends are in play. In very basic and broad terms East Asians cluster towards the top in the metrics, Europeans in the middle, Africans at the bottom. History, culture, racism, there are lots of complex reasons for it. Race isn't one of them, save for the racism aspect of course, though East Asians are hardly immune to it, or Indians for that matter. Sikhs from India on average fare better across the board than Hindus, who fare better than Muslims. All the same "race". In the US Scandinavians on average did better than the Irish, who did better than Italians on average. All the same "race".

There are very complex reasons for these different outcomes, but those reasons and outcomes seem remarkably intractable and are not going away any time soon and they will be repeated here. They already are and no amount of woolly headed naive if kind at heart thinking is likely to change it.

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Wibbs wrote: »

So in lieu of argument over a claim of "many posters" you run to pedantry? You like to claim lies in others but the truth and your position are uneasy bedfellows. Basically you're still hoping for your hail mary gotcha moment where you can recline in smug satisfaction that your position remains unassailable. God forbid you deal in good faith and factual debate. Is your position so delicate and undebatable that this is your only set of tactics? It seems it is.

There's little point trying to pin him down. He posted something similar to me a few days back about the majority of posters on the thread, which shifted to some posters, and then.. deflected elsewhere. Rinse and repeat.

[Deleted User]

Sadler Peak wrote: »

Unlike houses and welfare a job is not given to you, you have to go out a get one.

But why do you think it is African immigrants, as stated by wibbs, who have particular issues getting employment?

Sadler Peak

bubblypop wrote: »

How?

Unlike houses and welfare a job is not given to you, you have to go out a get one.

[Deleted User]

Sadler Peak wrote: »

Themselves.

How?

[Deleted User]

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Yep. Narrow minded is a nice way to put it.

Actually, you'll find if you read a chunk of the thread, that it is the posters who are crictical of multiculturalism that are most willing to discuss the topic and think outside the box, providing a wide range of reasons for their opinions.

Whereas those who advocate for immigration, often misrepresent the posts of others, returning time and time again to the same points, without adequately defending those points.

Narrow minded? Err... The funny thing it's a lot like the accusations of racism.. the people most focused on race as being important, are the people who are [supposedly] fighting against racism.

Immigrants will add value. They will not drain the economy. No one wants to come here to rely on social housing and the dole.

That's a very broad statement. Care to back it up? (or will you join the ranks of others who make such statements, get frustrated when challenged, insult others and then, fade away into the background?)

Sadler Peak

bubblypop wrote: »

And who or what do you think is to blame for that?

Themselves.

Wibbs

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Hmm changing tack. Look I understand you probably didn't mean literally nobody. But that is what you said and that would be a lie. Vanishingly few implies more than none or nobody, right wibbs?

So in lieu of argument over a claim of "many posters" you run to pedantry? You like to claim lies in others but the truth and your position are uneasy bedfellows. Basically you're still hoping for your hail mary gotcha moment where you can recline in smug satisfaction that your position remains unassailable. God forbid you deal in good faith and factual debate. Is your position so delicate and undebatable that this is your only set of tactics? It seems it is.

[Deleted User]

Wibbs wrote: »

If you're so open minded can you give examples of the positives?
And yet as we've seen in other multicultural European nations with longer experience of this politic the same migrant demographics are more likely to be in need of social assistance, more likely to be in gaol and more likely to live in poverty. In Ireland today African origin people have on average much higher unemployment rates, lower educational status and are more likely to be living in social housing compared to native Irish or other demographics. Over 40 % of the African diaspora in Ireland are described as "economically inactive".

And who or what do you think is to blame for that?

[Deleted User]

gw80 wrote: »

I know and I agree with you but I would assume there would be some resentment from some quarters,

Perhaps, although I suspect that resentment (should it exist) would likely come from people who were in school during the recession. Older people would remember what Ireland was like when it was a relatively poor country, and have greater sympathy for those who had to leave.

[Deleted User]

Swindled wrote: »

You mean like you, so "open minded" that it fell out and you have none of your own ?

Why are you not open minded to beautifully distinct, unique, native ethic cultures worldwide, instead of trying to shove it all in a blender ?

I am. I love travelling and visiting different places.
I have no issue with places that are not multicultural, not do I have any issues with places that are.
They are what they are.

Wibbs

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Yep. Narrow minded is a nice way to put it.

If you're so open minded can you give examples of the positives?

Immigrants will add value. They will not drain the economy. No one wants to come here to rely on social housing and the dole.

And yet as we've seen in other multicultural European nations with longer experience of this politic the same migrant demographics are more likely to be in need of social assistance, more likely to be in gaol and more likely to live in poverty. In Ireland today African origin people have on average much higher unemployment rates, lower educational status and are more likely to be living in social housing compared to native Irish or other demographics. Over 40 % of the African diaspora in Ireland are described as "economically inactive".

Mike Murdock

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Hugs and kisses Mikey. Xxxxx

Right back at ya.

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Mike Murdock wrote: »

Typical of Robbie.

You got nothing.

Hugs and kisses Mikey. Xxxxx

Swindled

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

As someone else advised me, go and read the thread. If you can't find any. I'll get them for you when I feel like it.

I'm sitting on a train to go somewhere and enjoy myself I'm not trawling through boards great big racist thread for you Mikey.
Sorry about that pal.

Sure just post one for the criac Robbie, just one, you can squeeze one out surely ?

[Deleted User]

Wibbs wrote: »

Vanishingly few have expressed such a stance. If "many posters" have surely it will be easy to give examples?

Hmm changing tack. Look I understand you probably didn't mean literally nobody. But that is what you said and that would be a lie. Vanishingly few implies more than none or nobody, right wibbs?

Mike Murdock

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

As someone else advised me, go and read the thread. If you can't find any. I'll get them for you when I feel like it.

I'm sitting on a train to go somewhere and enjoy myself I'm not trawling through boards great big racist thread for you Mikey.
Sorry about that pal.

Typical of Robbie.

You got nothing.

[Deleted User]

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Please show us some examples.

As someone else advised me, go and read the thread. If you can't find any. I'll get them for you when I feel like it.

I'm sitting on a train to go somewhere and enjoy myself I'm not trawling through boards great big racist thread for you Mikey.
Sorry about that pal.

Wibbs

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

That is patently false if we are referring to this thread. Many posters have taken a total anti immigrant stance even including eu member states citizens.
You might not take that view wibbs but it would be a lie to say nobody in this thread is. Which you just did.

Vanishingly few have expressed such a stance. If "many posters" have surely it will be easy to give examples?

Mike Murdock

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

That is patently false if we are referring to this thread. Many posters have taken a total anti immigrant stance even including eu member states citizens.
You might not take that view wibbs but it would be a lie to say nobody in this thread is. Which you just did.

Please show us some examples.

[Deleted User]

Wibbs wrote: »

Nobody is arguing against legal, skilled and economically viable and positive migration from within the EU, or indeed without it so long as the above criteria are met. What people are arguing about is the Accepted Truth that multiculturalism is some moral and societal requirement apparently only for White Western nations and the illegal, quasi legal, unskilled uneconomically viable and negative migrants.

That is patently false if we are referring to this thread. Many posters have taken a total anti immigrant stance even including eu member states citizens.
You might not take that view wibbs but it would be a lie to say nobody in this thread is. Which you just did.

Swindled

bubblypop wrote: »

How very open minded of you.

You mean like you, so "open minded" that it fell out and you have none of your own ?

Why are you not open minded to beautifully distinct, unique, native ethic cultures worldwide, instead of trying to shove it all in a blender ?

Mike Murdock

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Yep. Narrow minded is a nice way to put it.

Immigrants will add value. They will not drain the economy. No one wants to come here to rely on social housing and the dole.

You've proven nothing to back that up. Provide some tangible data to back this up.

Your line on Non-EU immigrants or undocumented immigrants "Paying for Pensions" has been discredited by examples in Europe.