Star Wars: Bad Batch

And that's why I choose not to watch trailers, especially later ones.

Relikk

Would be more inclined to think it's Rex or Ahsoka, and the droid the sisters were using to communicate looks like the same R7 droid Ahsoka had in the Clone Wars. The trailer for the series gives it away, as well.

CastorTroy wrote: »

Didn't think of
Kenobi
. When I saw who they were it made me think it was
Ahsoka

Yeah I was also half thinking

it was Ahsoka

but because they are lining up

Kenobi for a show.. I'm guessing this could be a place to introduce him.

Didn't think of

Kenobi

. When I saw who they were it made me think it was

Ahsoka

1.6:

Kenobi?!? Gotta be Kenobi!

CastorTroy wrote: »

Was trying to recall where we saw those 2 before.
Clone Wars final season.

Yep! Recognised em straight up.. just more in the 'hey there's

a link to Ahsoka kinda way.

Was trying to recall where we saw those 2 before.
Clone Wars final season.

CastorTroy wrote: »

So that the poor rancor we saw get murdered by Luke?

Something I definitely wondered about during the episode! :eek:

CastorTroy wrote: »

So that the poor rancor we saw get murdered by Luke?

That was self defence.

Is Cid a Trandoshan?

So that the poor rancor we saw get murdered by Luke?

Slydice wrote: »

1.5: Wreckers great!
Get the feeling that new weapon Omega picked up might become her primary.

They have made him far too strong but so far he is my favourite of the Batch.

I like Omega and while she is getting a lot of the focus in these stories it doesn’t feel like it is all about her like it was with Ezra in Rebels.

I think it is safe to say that the gang will be getting more jobs from Cid but I wonder if means that they are going to become soldiers for hire.

Varik

Slydice wrote: »

1.5: Wreckers great!
Get the feeling that new weapon Omega picked up might become her primary.

It'll probably get a big of a nerf/non lethalized, and probably for the same reason as Ezra having the weird sling shot and then the stun set blaster. Can't have the kids shooting people to death, but if they fall of of something and die that's ok

1.5: Wreckers great!

Get the feeling that new weapon Omega picked up might become her primary.

Gyan84 wrote: »

I've only read the eu thrawn trilogy (which are great books) but in that
one of the villains is a cloned jedi who goes mad/falls to the dark side due to the clones accelarated aging
and in the third book
there's a clone of luke made from the hand he lost to vader in Bespin which was stupid.

For mando season 2
I assume the force blood/cloning tanks was just the start of making snoak/cloned palpatine although I hope it's something else.

Anyway, thought episode 4 was good.
Fennec was cool to see even though I thought it was stupid she came back from the dead in mando.

Mando described her as an incredible bounty hunter but so far her two appearances have been getting killed easily and failing to kidnap a child

The early EU books were all great.

The characters in the Thrawn trilogy, except for Thrawn and Palleon, were paper thin but the story itself was fantastic. I meant to say in my earlier post that that Timothy Zhan had a strange notion about clones. You could identify then because they spell their names with an extra U

The blood and cloning is going to be relevant only to Mandolorian and/or the big crossover series they are building up to (assuming that is still happening now that Rangers is not currently in development) and nothing else.

I don’t think it was ever said that Shand was a bounty hunter, incredible or otherwise. Wasn’t she described as a dangerous assassin and enforcer for a crime cartel?

Here she was up against experienced special forces soldiers and bare in mind this is 26ish years before her appearance in Mandolorian. She is likely only starting out.

CastorTroy wrote: »

Turns out this promotion happened a while ago and the website it was seen on was only updated with the info recently.

As for Omega's accent, I don't think accents are genetic. There's a reason children or grandchildren of immigrants have a local accent rather than an accent from where their parents are from.
But maybe they're not thinking that much about it with Omega.

Real world rarely applies to Star Wars - space walks with no protective equipment, single environment worlds, night & day the same everywhere, etc.

I will put on money on the accent being that as a connection to her origin.

Varik wrote: »

Filoni got a promotion, he's now an executive creative director after being an executive producer at lucas.

Turns out this promotion happened a while ago and the website it was seen on was only updated with the info recently.

As for Omega's accent, I don't think accents are genetic. There's a reason children or grandchildren of immigrants have a local accent rather than an accent from where their parents are from.
But maybe they're not thinking that much about it with Omega.

Gyan84

Need a Username wrote: »

I cannot actually find anything saying that Jedi or Sith cannot be cloned and apparently the novelisation of Attack of the Clones features a con serdar ion where one of the Jedi Council says it would have been better if Sufi-Dyas had had a Jedi cloned. So on Lucas’ mind they could - assuming that point came from his earlier drafts.

The Sequel trilogy is not something I consider when thinking of the Star Wars canon, and they are on Asi ally a rip off of the old EU anyway.

I've only read the eu thrawn trilogy (which are great books) but in that

one of the villains is a cloned jedi who goes mad/falls to the dark side due to the clones accelarated aging

and in the third book

there's a clone of luke made from the hand he lost to vader in Bespin which was stupid.

For mando season 2

I assume the force blood/cloning tanks was just the start of making snoak/cloned palpatine although I hope it's something else.

Anyway, thought episode 4 was good.

Fennec was cool to see even though I thought it was stupid she came back from the dead in mando.

Mando described her as an incredible bounty hunter but so far her two appearances have been getting killed easily and failing to kidnap a child

4: Woo!

Boba Fett

gonna be involved!

I swear the second I heard

Ming-Na Wens

voice, I was like.. HOLD UP! I know this voice!!

Varik wrote: »

The original batch of clones were trained by jango, and at some point even without jango clones would have grown up surrounded by others with that accent. Omega too.

Filoni got a promotion, he's now an executive creative director after being an executive producer at lucas.

I had not given it much thought but had always assumed the clones were “born” with some traits of Jango built in. And that was the reason he was chosen - not just for his physical suitability but for the ability to learn to fight, etc.

Were they a blank slate at first?

I don’t think that being around Jango clones accounts for Omega’s accent. Didn’t she say in the first episode that she had only recently started to mix with the general population on Kamino? Even if I am mistaken there, the Bad Batch had never met or seen her before and they lived at that facility occasionally meaning she was not out and about prior to their last visit.

If she picked up an accent from those she spent most time with she would speak like a Kaminoan.

I think the accent is the accent of the donor and her cheeky shenanigans in the mess hall are also a trait from the donor - she didn’t get that from either Kaminoans or the Regs at the facility.

Varik

The original batch of clones were trained by jango, and at some point even without jango clones would have grown up surrounded by others with that accent. Omega too.

Filoni got a promotion, he's now an executive creative director after being an executive producer at lucas.

Gyan84 wrote: »

Cloning jedi was a big thing in legends media which is no longer canon but with
Snoak/Palpatine
in the new trilogy and the
bodies in the bacta tanks/grogu genetic experiments
in Mando season 2 it definitely seems like something they're not opposed to.

I stopped reading the EU early in the the New Jedi Order series (due to other circumstances and I just never got a chance to get back to it - funny thing is for years I had been wanting the writhes to create a new original villain different to Sith or Empire) - so did it go Clone Jedi mad at some point?

I cannot actually find anything saying that Jedi or Sith cannot be cloned and apparently the novelisation of Attack of the Clones features a con serdar ion where one of the Jedi Council says it would have been better if Sufi-Dyas had had a Jedi cloned. So on Lucas’ mind they could - assuming that point came from his earlier drafts.

The Sequel trilogy is not something I consider when thinking of the Star Wars canon, and they are on Asi ally a rip off of the old EU anyway.

The season 2 finale of Mandolorian did indeed reveal something about cloning Force users. I had thought Gideon wanted the Child to turn him into a weapon but the fact that he only wanted his blood and that the scientist was a cloner tell us that there is more to it. I don’t think though that they are cloning Grogu though.

Gyan84 wrote: »

I hope she's not a jedi clone though as I'm getting sick of characters coming back from the dead.

I thought she was the last jango clone and her being female was just a variation like Wrecker's strength. The clone wars also left the door open to force sensitive clones
when yoda said that all clones have a unique presence in the force. Although yoda seems to contradict himself every 5 minutes so who knows what that means :pac:

I don’t think she is a Jedi clone - and I really hope not.

I think there is a clue to Omega’s donor in the accent - like maybe she is connected to Jango somehow.

In Ambush, Yoda meant that each clone was unique in the Force in the same way that all beings are unique in the Force. That they people just like everyone else - and not less than because they are copies.

Gyan84

Need a Username wrote: »

I don’t think Jedi can be cloned. The Force certainly cannot be replicated that way and I am pretty sure it was established that a strong Force connection prevents cloning.

Omega is white, and Jango, Boba and the clones are all dark skinned. Dave Filoni isn’t daft enough to “white wash” a character.

I think cloning is meant to straightforward replication. Enhancements like the Bad Batch were experimental land new ground - which is why there wasn’t more of them.

Changing gender would be a similar experiment. And if she was a female Jango they would have said so.

And that would be boring.

I think who she is a clone of and why she was created is going to be a big part of the series.

Cloning jedi was a big thing in legends media which is no longer canon but with

Snoak/Palpatine

in the new trilogy and the

bodies in the bacta tanks/grogu genetic experiments

in Mando season 2 it definitely seems like something they're not opposed to.

I hope she's not a jedi clone though as I'm getting sick of characters coming back from the dead.

I thought she was the last jango clone and her being female was just a variation like Wrecker's strength. The clone wars also left the door open to force sensitive clones

when yoda said that all clones have a unique presence in the force. Although yoda seems to contradict himself every 5 minutes so who knows what that means :pac:

I think it was mentioned in Rebels that early stormtroopers were very well trained. The less competent ones came along later - I figured the Empire went for quantity over quality once they had decimated their rule.

D'aaaawwwweee Wrecker!

On the

Clone/Storm troopers side.. I wonder if the Kaminoans will switch up from having better clones to just training the Storm troopers to have terrible aim!

Sure Disney+ is the land of crazy fan theories, whether this, Mando or WandaVision.

CastorTroy wrote: »

You mean the Midi-chlorian can't be cloned?

If not for the blonde hair it could be Padme. Only blonde woman I can think of is Satine.

But think I'll just let it play out and not go researching and reading about it

When typing that post midichlorians never even came into my head. I’m getting old and forgetful.

No I don’t think that is it as modichlorians are everywhere even in clones - the ability to communicate with them is what separates Jedi from normals.

It isn’t going to be anything like a Padme or an “I’m am your father “ thing. Filoni is too smart for that. I think Omega is cloned from a new character and the big mystery will be about the reasons for cloning her.

The Kaminoans didn’t want the Imperials to know about Omega’s involvement in the Bad Batch’s escape. I can only think of two reasons for this - that they didn’t want to attract attention to Omega’s existence or else to the fact that they had lost her. If it is the later then that suggests that she was created for the Empire AND that there is more of her on Kamino (how e K we could they hide her absence?).

I wouldn’t think there is going to be much theory about Omega’s origin as I expect this to be another “how will Ashoka die”/“Rey is Luke’s daughter” thing - people will obsess that she is a Jango clone and freak out at suggestions of otherwise.

You mean the Midi-chlorian can't be cloned?

If not for the blonde hair it could be Padme. Only blonde woman I can think of is Satine.

But think I'll just let it play out and not go researching and reading about it

CastorTroy wrote: »

I guess the forged chain codes helps them in the long run as well in starting a new life.
If you were going on the run, would you prefer to have forged papers for a new identity like a passport or would you rather be smuggled somewhere and not being able to get proper work/support due to no proof of identity? Might be okay if by yourself but for a family?

Cut actually didn’t know about chain codes until the shifty merchant he was buying the tickets from told him, which was after he had declined transportation on the squad’s ship. Plus it was Cut’s intent to settle somewhere isolated or out of the way.

However you came up with a pretty good explanation to need a chain code - though as above the family was looking to be out of the way.

Anyway none of that takes away the fact it was great episode. Nice to see the Lawquane family again and town that is more than a simple outpost. And the media propaganda was a nice touch. And as was mentioned earlier the story did pull the heartstrings.

[/quote The way it keeps showing Omega watching things being done could imply she's someone who can pick things up quickly just by seeing it done.
Maybe she's a clone of a jedi? Though I think she is meant to be a female Jango clone.[/quote]

I don’t think Jedi can be cloned. The Force certainly cannot be replicated that way and I am pretty sure it was established that a strong Force connection prevents cloning.

Omega is white, and Jango, Boba and the clones are all dark skinned. Dave Filoni isn’t daft enough to “white wash” a character.

I think cloning is meant to straightforward replication. Enhancements like the Bad Batch were experimental land new ground - which is why there wasn’t more of them.

Changing gender would be a similar experiment. And if she was a female Jango they would have said so.

And that would be boring.

I think who she is a clone of and why she was created is going to be a big part of the series.

I guess the forged chain codes helps them in the long run as well in starting a new life.
If you were going on the run, would you prefer to have forged papers for a new identity like a passport or would you rather be smuggled somewhere and not being able to get proper work/support due to no proof of identity? Might be okay if by yourself but for a family?

The way it keeps showing Omega watching things being done could imply she's someone who can pick things up quickly just by seeing it done.
Maybe she's a clone of a jedi? Though I think she is meant to be a female Jango clone.

I wasn’t going to say anything about this but coming back to the thread I find it hard not to.

A sensible explanation for why the Lawquane family didn’t leave Salucami in the Bad Batch ship was needed. The team might be wanted fugitives but their shuttle was an UNTRACEABLE way off planet to start a new life anywhere. A forged chain code is still a way to track the user.

Yes, leaving with the squad isn’t very exciting, but surely they could have thought of a good reason why they had to take the dangerous option.