Swindled wrote: » I'm locked out of many countries in the world, you don't hear me crying about it. I can't demand to live there and be provided with housing ahead of their local citizens. And they are exactly right. Their country, their rules.
bubblypop wrote: » Oh right, and what is it that makes you better then other people?
bubblypop wrote: » Lucky for you we have controlled immigration so.
Tony EH wrote: » I'm sure you'd be so understanding if it was you who were being locked out.
Strumms wrote: » It’s fair and responsible to allow EU citizens to move freely in this continent... goods, services and people can... perfect, it’s a success story. To extend that outside of the 27 member states, is foolhardy
bubblypop wrote: » Lucky for you we have controlled immigration so. Except for EU members, as many as they want can come live here.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Got as far as the looney left and stopped reading. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Honestly politics isn't like a football team you don't have to stick with a side no matter what and holding the belief that either right or left as ideologies has any moral right over the other is just stupid.
Fandymo wrote: » Fingal was at 50% before they suddenly stopped reporting Irish/non-Irish. I wonder why they stopped.
enricoh wrote: » Yeah, they were twice as likely as native Irish to require the government to pay the rent - let's get more eh?!https://m.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/huge-scale-of-immigration-is-making-our-housing-crisis-worse-35498057.html Last year, I decided to ask the Department of Social Protection what percentage of rent supplement was paid out to non-Irish EU nationals, and non-EU nationals. As at February of last year, the figure was 35pc. This is a remarkable total. Remember, 17pc of the population is "foreign-born", so immigrants are over-represented in the figures by two to one.
bubblypop wrote: » So you obviously do, or else you would answer.
bubblypop wrote: » Trying to dictate who people can or cannot be friends with, or become a community with, is not a democratic society anyone would want to live in.
bubblypop wrote: » You are no better, nor worse then anyone else.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » So there are no anti immigrant posters in this thread is that your claim Klaz. No anti EU posters? The vast majority of immigrants to Ireland were prior to Covid in employment and productive for Irish society. So by your definition the vast majority of immigrants should be welcome. I think the largest immigrant worker group in this country is the EU citizens bloc again productive positive members of Irelands multicultural society. So what exactly is the problem if the vast majority of immigrants meet your definition for being positive?
Cordell wrote: » I'm not going to bite on the first one. Second one, yes, it's not ideal to have it happening.
Fandymo wrote: » If multiculturalism is so great, why aren’t the looney left pushing it on countries with little to no other ethnic cultures? Why aren’t they flooding over to Nigeria etc to improve them and make them “better” with multiculturalism?? Why are they hogging multiculturalism for Europe? Isn’t this like colonialism all over again. Europe taking in all the multi-cultures (good apparently) and leaving Africa as a mono-culture (bad apparently). Why do the left hate Africa and Asia so much that they want to leave them as mono-cultures??
bubblypop wrote: » Yep, the answer to racism is to keep all different races and cultures away from each other. Yep. That's it! Genius.
bubblypop wrote: » Are you better then Irish people who depend on the state for housing and living? Would you suggest that people of the same culture and backgrounds should not be allowed to create communities with their ex pats?
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Have you proved that monoculturalism is better? I must have missed that part Is North Korea a good example of the benefits of mono culture. Do you consider Ireland currently to be a mono culture and if not how do aspire to make Ireland a monoculture?
Cordell wrote: » Among others, my balance with the state is positive and my values align with the (most of) the Irish people. But even not considering that, the immigration should be kept at a sustainable low level and this is my genuine opinion even if it were to affect me. Immigrants need to be few enough that they don't find it naturally to congregate and create isolated communities, or communities of people born and raised in Ireland that don't consider themselves Irish.
bubblypop wrote: » If you just can't back up your arguments, that's fair enough
Wibbs wrote: » Because IMHO it can't be done. At least not when populations reach a certain size. People will naturally tend to drift towards those most similar to them. No matter what any government would do the same thing will play out, short of actively limiting people's accommodation choices.
Wibbs wrote: » Actually I wouldn't agree it's been reduced. Not by any more than it was on the way to being reduced before the main influx in the Celtic Tiger. And if "racism can be reduced, it can be educated against and legislated against" why is it still such a big problem in the UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, The US and so forth? Nations that have had government campaigns, education and legislation for decades.
Wibbs wrote: » Neither do I. I lay what blame there is on the multicultural politic itself. It has proven to be at best a mixed bag, at worst a source of often serious social issues in urban areas, not least for the immigrant populations themselves.
Wibbs wrote: » Good for you, but nope. 'Fraid not. About the same as native Irish people. Good friends of mine are married to non nationals(from first world countries), two here, two overseas and many of my exes weren't Irish. Of those who have kids they consider them as from both cultures and ethnicities, they all speak their respective native languages and have contacts with their non Irish cultures.
Wibbs wrote: » None would consider themselves Irish in block capitals and as a stance. Rightfully so. If I married a French woman, moved to France gained citizenship and had kids I'd consider them Irish French. And I most certainly wouldn't consider myself French.
Wibbs wrote: » Big shock. Hold the presses! Poor working class kids less likely to go to university. Must be a sudden change that. In other news; water is wet. Again, who is more likely to be undereducated, in receipt of social welfare, in gaol, in poverty; a White [insert multicultural nationality here] or a Black [insert multicultural nationality here]? Please point to one multicultural nation where this pattern doesn't play out. Just one will do. I'll save you the looking, you can't. If all this was so easy to reduce, educate and legislate for, why are there near zero examples where it works?
Wibbs wrote: » And again, all nations have social problems and people who are left behind. Adding in multiculturalism increases that and increases other different social problems on top. A White say doctor who is only two generations away from poverty has moved up, he fits in, a Black doctor could come from a solidly middle class background, but he's still Black. That makes a difference. Sadly, but true too.
Wibbs wrote: » Ireland has had and continues to have huge holes in management and not just around this subject. To believe otherwise is naive at best, deliberately fanciful at worst. Direct provision. Bad management. Tracing of illegals. Bad management. Birthright passports. Bad management. The rapid development of ethnic enclaves. Bad management. The current fast track to social welfare and housing, with other government depts stating it won't be workable. Bad management. The amnesty for existing tax evading illegals and their Irish enablers. Bad management.
Wibbs wrote: » Ireland's growth in those rankings is down to a massive influx of non native big businesses, mostly American, that pulled us out of the doldrums of the earlier stages of our independent history. The EU helped a lot too. All of which were in play by the mid 90's, before the peak of the influx of non EU and EU migrants.
Cordell wrote: » Others like me, sure. But what we're getting is mostly nothing like me
bubblypop wrote: » You liked what you saw and chose to live here? But you wouldn't allow others to have that same option?
Swindled wrote: » This is my point, so why are we doing that in Ireland, instead of a gradual natural integration ?
Strumms wrote: » Incorrect. People are just anti uncontrollable immigration... They want the ability to limit, facilitate as and when we can and is appropriate for this country and it’s citizens. Ireland is our home.... speaking of home...My front door gets opened and a certain number of people can visit, I decide who comes and when... I will also determine what hospitality and generosity they receive... for how long too.. We need to be of the same ability as regards immigration...
Swindled wrote: » Actually it doesn't, it's simply the reality of first come, first served, where resources are finite, not infinite. Sensible immigrants to Ireland know mass immigration into Ireland won't work, and nothing wrong with that point of view.
Cordell wrote: » Let me explain myself then. You conveniently missed the large scale attribute of my anti-immigration stance. If everyone is to benefit as myself did there will be no large scale immigration, only a small sustainable level. Then, I came here because I liked what I found here, I don't want to see the changes other European countries did, after all I have chosen Ireland, not Poland or Dubai. I had a wtf where did I land moment when in an estate in Galway the only English speaking people were obviously of non European origin. In the end I don't have any power to effect any change, but I'm very open to speak my mind, at least here
Tony EH wrote: » Well for a start it stinks of "I'm alright Jack" and pulling the ladder up, which is never going to win you too much agreement. You've been able to reap the reward of something that you now want to deny others.
bubblypop wrote: » I think being an immigrant against immigration is hypocritical, why shouldn't others benefit the same way you did?
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