[Deleted User] wrote: » Hiring an event management firm for a funeral is a bit vulgar tbh.
Deleted User wrote: » Hiring an event management firm for a funeral is a bit vulgar tbh.
jmcc wrote: » More responsible than the gombeen gang in Golfgate who thought that they wouldn't be caught. Regards...jmcc
Deleted User wrote: » Which has absolutely zilch, nada, nothing to do with the funeral of the sociopathic thug Bobby Storey.
smurgen wrote: » The latest hit and miss from the Indo/Philip Ryan on SF. This man is the new Eoghan Harris. Sounding like a total head the ball. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/pearse-doherty-says-he-is-not-obliged-to-list-new-coastal-donegal-family-home-in-dail-register-40438048.html
FrancieBrady wrote: » Anyone can depict a soldier who has faought in a conflict as a 'sociopathic thug'. Fact is Doc and you may do well to take this on board, like the various soldiers of various countries thousands didn't see him as a 'sociopathic thug'.
Deleted User wrote: » The dude was the leader of a group called the nutting squad. Murdering a disabled 15 year old child, removing genitals with a hacksaw, and covering up sex abuse were some of their activities. Soldier! The man was a common thug and criminal. He had no empathy - a sociopath. Not even a secret.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Pearse should have asked his buddies in Belfast if he could buy one of the 50 properties the party owns in the Republic. I’m sure a nice few in Donegal. Popular spot for the top brass.
jh79 wrote: » Anything worth talking about behind the paywall? Wealthy man building nice house doesn't seem like much of a story to me.
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » It's not much different than many bigger houses that a lot of people in Donegal would build so it wouldn't be that much out of kilter. The question is how someone who is supposed to be on the average industrial wage could afford it though.
blanch152 wrote: » And the report has clarified the difficulties that the PSNI faced in dealing with a sectarian funeral. I have no problem admitting that I was wrong about the PSNI being corrupt. However, the details of the report confirm that Sinn Fein is not a normal party and the PSNI have questions to answer. They also confirm that Sinn Fein were involved in organising the funeral and were planning to breach the regulations.https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/wp-content/uploads/inspection-into-psni-handling-of-the-bobby-storey-funeral-30-june-2020.pdf "Mr Kelly told them that around 10,000 people were expected to attend his funeral. Similar numbers had attended the funeral of Martin McGuinness in March 2017. He also expected prominent Sinn Féin politicians to attend" "Mr Kelly reassured him. He didn’t want to go into details but said there would be no Paramilitary trappings at the funeral. He said a lot of people would attend and that the best way to manage the numbers wasn’t with a police presence. Mr Kelly explained that the funeral organisers, on behalf of the family, had engaged a company to steward it. The stewards would wear white shirts and black trousers but no berets or sunglasses" "Mr Kelly thought it might be difficult to promote social distancing and keep traffic flowing. But he explained there would be a comprehensive stewarding plan to help. We understand that an events-planning company, used frequently by Sinn Féin, helped develop this plan. We know that this company passed a document to the PSNI. The Gold Commander described this document as being more of a risk assessment than a plan. We tried to speak to the events company but got no response." "The established relationship between the PSNI and Mr Kelly inevitably affords him direct contact with senior officers" "There was a lack of comprehensive records of the contact between senior PSNI leaders and Mr Kelly. We understand that this was a factor in the Public Prosecution Service (PPS) decision not to prosecute. Officers were unable to definitively show that they had fully adopted the 4Es approach during their engagement with Mr Kelly. Without this communication, Mr Kelly wouldn’t have been able to tell mourners about the consequences of breaching the Regulations." Lots of questions there for Sinn Fein.
Fann Linn wrote: » Considering the numbers involved it was precautionary planning.
blanch152 wrote: » So it was planned in advance to breach the Covid guidelines.
Fann Linn wrote: » Sinn Féin Sinn Féin politicians played a major role in organising Mr Storey’s funeral and many senior figures attended on the day. It is not difficult to see why the reaction from some quarters was one of outrage. For many who had lost loved ones, and been unable to have the funerals they wanted, it must have grated. And, for others with political rather than personal reasons, it was easy to interpret the funeral as wilfully disregarding the Regulations for political ends. We cast no judgments on political parties’ actions or motives. However, from what we say in our chapter on the legal context, we think it would have been reasonable for the politicians attending the funeral to have believed they were acting within the Regulations. If they believed themselves not to be – as some have asserted – it is our conclusion that they were probably wrong. Mr Kelly chose not to share his account of his conversations with the PSNI commanders in the run-up to the funeral with us. But we saw nothing to suggest that the manner in which he engaged with the PSNI was anything other than open and professional. From your link Blanch, the summary re SF, just in case ye overlooked it.
Barry904 wrote: » Was not a sectarian funeral at all, the loyalists have the British army who they commerate all the time who were responsible for hundreds and hundreds of dead innovent catholics wether by them personally or their proxies, and Catholics have the IRA which are also commemorated by a significant portion of the population down south.
Deleted User wrote: » Pearse should have asked his buddies in Belfast if he could buy one of the 50 properties the party owns in the Republic. I’m sure a nice few in Donegal. Popular spot for the top brass.
blanch152 wrote: » Just part of the story. And the key point in your extract: "We cast no judgments on political parties’ actions or motives." Sinn Fein were not exonerated by the report.
FrancieBrady wrote: » It's over blanch...read the conclusions and recommendations and move on like everyone else.
Fann Linn wrote: » I would've gone for this myself, ''. However, from what we say in our chapter on the legal context, we think it would have been reasonable for the politicians attending the funeral to have believed they were acting within the Regulations."" But as you're just nit picking now I'll say adieu.
blanch152 wrote: » Exactly the same could be said about Golfgate, but hey, it's Sinn Fein, different standards, much lower ones, apply.
Fann Linn wrote: » Different jurisdictions.
blanch152 wrote: » Let's be clear, the prior engagement between the police and the SF organisers prevented prosecution and effectively ensured that law-breakers could avoid prosecution. If you think that isn't corrupt, how do you defend it? The funeral in Mayo was an legally authorised State funeral, and that distinction has been made clear many times already.
blanch152 wrote: » https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-told-police-10000-mourners-expected-to-attend-bobby-storey-funeral-40437960.html "An investigation has found that police were told in the days prior to his death last June that up to 10,000 people were likely to attend the funeral of Bobby Storey, who was gravely ill in hospital in England." This raises the level of seriousness. Does anyone really believe that Sinn Fein didn't think of the implications of this show of strength in the middle of a pandemic. I have huge sympathy for the PSNI following that report. They were faced with a politically organised deliberate flaunting of the Covid situation and a choice between managing the lawbreaking as best they could, or trying to enforce the law which would probably lead to a violent breakdown.
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