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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

RyanthePirate

I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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99nsr125

Experience_day wrote: »

What benefits?

Hot chicks

DerekC16

I wouldn't trust any politicians that suddenly get on the immigration sceptic bandwagon. Thatcher done it to get into power when the NF was making ground, Blair done it when the BNP were making ground. Release valves.

jmreire

Deleted User wrote: »

The next 10-20 years in Europe are going to see some seismic events and changes due to rapidly changing demographics. We've already seen Brexit, French society starting to tear itself apart and a host of other events gathering pace throughout the continent. I have no idea how it'll turn out but it won't be pleasant.

It would seem that politicians are sniffing the political winds, and there seems to be an increase of them jumping on the anti-immigrant band wagon...

(1) New Zealand to cut low skill immigration On Monday, the New Zealand government announced it would be narrowing pathways for those hoping to migrate and work in the country, particularly those it classed as “low-skill” and low-wage workers"
(2) Michel Barnier seems to have ruffled as many feathers in France with his latest comments on immigration as he did in Britain during his stint as EU Brexit negotiator. Positioning himself to run as the rightwing candidate in next year’s presidential elections, Barnier told a TV interviewer that he wanted to suspend immigration to France from outside the EU, including family reunions, for three to five years. Immigration, he suggested, was linked to terrorism and was a threat to the stability of French society. He also called for talks with other members of the Schengen group (the 26 European countries that have abolished all passport controls at their mutual borders) to strengthen the EU’s external borders.

Barnier’s remarks caused outrage. But, shocking though they were, the comments are an extreme version of actual EU policy. Politicians of all hues have accepted that freedom of movement inside Europe requires the tightening of restrictions against non-Europeans.

[Deleted User]

Wibbs wrote: »

The same diversity is only ever applied to White, Western nations. Initially only those who were ex European colonies that got diversity by default, that screwed over most of their non White populations, so this diversity is our strength was a sop to those people. And that's all it was. Ask a Black American.

Latterly it has been applied to Europe. Falling birth rates and the market need for more consumers and cheaper workers egged it on. Germany was one of the first with her importation(and exploitation) of Turkish workers, Britain when it's fading empire came home to roost. It didn't go too well for either, including their non native people generations in. Add in the major post war paranoia in Europe as far as nation states and nationalism goes and "multiculturalism" was a shoe in as a politic, a "done deal" an "Accepted Truth" that can never be questioned.

The problem is it increases social division and adds to already existing social problems, with a large side order of new social problems. This is undeniable and every nation who runs this experiment demonstrates this, as will this country. It has already started here. With the help of the usual grifters found everywhere eager to make bank on the back of it.

Again this diversity is only ever applied to White, Western nations. The same flagwavers for multiculturalism would have a fit if one were to suggest what say Ethiopia or Korea or Jordan really needs to be a truly modern nation is more White people moving there to improve things. And for a nice change they'd be dead right.

The next 10-20 years in Europe are going to see some seismic events and changes due to rapidly changing demographics. We've already seen Brexit, French society starting to tear itself apart and a host of other events gathering pace throughout the continent. I have no idea how it'll turn out but it won't be pleasant.

[Deleted User]

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Well we get to see all our ads on TV containing people from different backgrounds.

Different races/ethnic groups... not different backgrounds, since we know nothing of their backgrounds..

[Deleted User]

Cordell wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with the gene pool in the west, but anyway, a broader gene pool is a benefit of immigration, not multiculturalism.
Immigration followed by integration and assimilation lead to a broader gene pool indeed, multiculturalism results in multiple gene pools.

I didn't say that there was anything wrong with the gene pool in the west. Simply that I'd like to see a greater mixing with Asians, since I find that mix to be particularly attractive.

As for multiculturalism... There's nothing that says it only involves distinct cultural groups, not interacting with each other, and not interbreeding. Simply putting different ethnic or cultural groups within the same environment will lead to a mixing... unless there are seriously strong social norms preventing it, and even then, there'll be those who do so anyway.

Certain ethnic/cultural groups are more likely to mix than others, based on their culture or social norms, plus the norms of the host nation. Multiculturalism doesn't alter that.

Bobblehats

Deleted User wrote: »

I've always thought the west could do with more mixing with Asian people.

Might we be biased, as males in recognising the remarkable effeminate traits of the asian phenotype?...which may not apply to a woman’s desires but whilst there are very few byproducts of interracial relations, I would consider an abomination I don’t believe anybody truly wants to inherit the mutton-headed stepchild with his brains in his feet.

A lot to be said for the grace and intelligence if looking to build on ourselves as Irish people. Good cheekbones; pretty eyes, easy hair…

Wibbs

Pussyhands wrote: »

Why do we need diversity as constantly mentioned by the likes of Chu?

I have nothing against diversity but there's no "need" for it.

The same diversity is only ever applied to White, Western nations. Initially only those who were ex European colonies that got diversity by default, that screwed over most of their non White populations, so this diversity is our strength was a sop to those people. And that's all it was. Ask a Black American.

Latterly it has been applied to Europe. Falling birth rates and the market need for more consumers and cheaper workers egged it on. Germany was one of the first with her importation(and exploitation) of Turkish workers, Britain when it's fading empire came home to roost. It didn't go too well for either, including their non native people generations in. Add in the major post war paranoia in Europe as far as nation states and nationalism goes and "multiculturalism" was a shoe in as a politic, a "done deal" an "Accepted Truth" that can never be questioned.

The problem is it increases social division and adds to already existing social problems, with a large side order of new social problems. This is undeniable and every nation who runs this experiment demonstrates this, as will this country. It has already started here. With the help of the usual grifters found everywhere eager to make bank on the back of it.

Again this diversity is only ever applied to White, Western nations. The same flagwavers for multiculturalism would have a fit if one were to suggest what say Ethiopia or Korea or Jordan really needs to be a truly modern nation is more White people moving there to improve things. And for a nice change they'd be dead right.

[Deleted User]

Experience_day wrote: »

What benefits?

Well we get to see all our ads on TV containing people from different backgrounds.

Cordell

There is nothing wrong with the gene pool in the west, but anyway, a broader gene pool is a benefit of immigration, not multiculturalism.
Immigration followed by integration and assimilation lead to a broader gene pool indeed, multiculturalism results in multiple gene pools.

[Deleted User]

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I would not hold your breath for an answer to your question

Broader gene pool.

I've always thought the west could do with more mixing with Asian people.

Justin Credible Darts

Experience_day wrote: »

What benefits?

I would not hold your breath for an answer to your question

Pussyhands

Why do we need diversity as constantly mentioned by the likes of Chu?

I have nothing against diversity but there's no "need" for it.

Experience_day

Deleted User wrote: »

My genuine view is that multiculturalism in Ireland will follow a path that at least will resemble what is occurring and has occurred in other European countries.

And while there is much benefit, in my view, to the cultural melting pot, it is foolish to ignore the dangers.

What benefits?

[Deleted User]

Gremlinertia wrote: »

Gone off topic posts deleted, bear in mind the thread title
What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland?

My genuine view is that multiculturalism in Ireland will follow a path that at least will resemble what is occurring and has occurred in other European countries.

And while there is much benefit, in my view, to the cultural melting pot, it is foolish to ignore the dangers.

Gremlinertia

Five posts consecutively mentioning same criminal behaviour in another country, neighbour or not isn't on topic and would fast lead to link dumping and further off topic posting

Justin Credible Darts

DerekC16 wrote: »

And using examples of failed multiculturalism in other countries should be allowed.

exactly,

what makes anyone think what happens in britain and other countries like ireland cannot or wont happen here ?
Are people so naive to think Ireland is somehow different ?

DerekC16

Gremlinertia wrote: »

Gone off topic posts deleted, bear in mind the thread title
What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland?

And using examples of failed multiculturalism in other countries should be allowed.

Gremlinertia

Gone off topic posts deleted, bear in mind the thread title
What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland?

enricoh

I take it everyone in the crowd for this demonstration in dublin today was fully vaccinated?!
No doubt a plethora of our journalists will be critical of having thousands of people crammed together in the midst of corona!!

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ek motor

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pretty much. The technology and economic models we have developed for Europe, don't need a large population base. Europe could afford to lose a large part of its current population, and the nations within could continue to operate effectively.

Absolutely , its not a necessity at all, yet it is pushed vehemently in the media. Criticism is met with ostracisation or 'cancelling' as its now known.

'Cancel culture' is now so thoroughly effective at stopping anything approaching a debate on the matter.

There is not a single elected official in the country who is willing to out forth an opposing argument publicly, because they will be hounded from office by the media /social media hivemind. Not one.

[Deleted User]

Cordell wrote: »

There is no need to increase birth rates, there is no need for more people in Europe, especially not the kind that keeps coming in.
It's all a big stinking red herring - we have a demographic decline so we need to bring in replacement people. No, this is just politicians presenting something bad as something good, just because they are unable and unwilling to stop it.

Pretty much. The technology and economic models we have developed for Europe, don't need a large population base. Europe could afford to lose a large part of its current population, and the nations within could continue to operate effectively.

Cordell

Deleted User wrote: »

There are far better ways to increase birth rates

There is no need to increase birth rates, there is no need for more people in Europe, especially not the kind that keeps coming in.
It's all a big stinking red herring - we have a demographic decline so we need to bring in replacement people. No, this is just politicians presenting something bad as something good, just because they are unable and unwilling to stop it.

ek motor

DeadHand wrote: »

Ultimately?

A cynical process to dramatically inflate both labour pools and markets for the benefit of big business protected and justified by those who profit from it and those who have been duped into doing so in the belief they are displaying extraordinary compassion and/or fighting imaginary Nazis.

In a nutshell. Many folk will complain about the price/unavailability of housing and lack of a 'living wage' while at the same time supporting policies which foment the exact opposite. Mass migration creates a surge of demand for housing and over supply of unskilled labour keeps wages low.

Yellow_Fern

Thought might be of interest. irish population growth and Dublin rent prices. Youd almost think there is a link!

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

The current Italian and Spanish governments are two of Europe's biggest weakpoints on illegal migration at the moment. Both ideologically support it from their political viewpoint, left wing and socialist.

Which shows, again, how little modern western politicians represent the views and interests of the electorate. Italy and Spain both have serious economic issues with regards to unemployment and welfare dependencies. There is very little support by the average punter with regards to further immigration, and yet, the politicians continue plugging the belief that it's needed. Spain, in particular, is really messed up politically, and economically, due to the geographical distribution of wealth, and power. (Italy is too, but Spain is perhaps a more obvious example)

Others who hold influence in these countries see it as a chance to help with some of the worlds lowest fertility rates, 1.3 roughly in both countries. Both countries are expected to see their populations half over the coming few decades, mass migration is seen by them as a way of countering this.

It's a distraction. Fertility rates have been dropping for all manner reasons, from the compounds used in plastics, right through to the changes in gender roles. Rather than seek to resolve or even mitigate these factors, they hope to bring in people from elsewhere.

There are far better ways to increase birth rates, than encouraging immigration from peoples whose culture are so different than ours... but it's simply easier to fixate on immigration as a quick fix.

It's the curse of western culture atm. This turning to quick fixes, with little consideration for the long-term negative effects.

[Deleted User]

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Newstalk covering a story this morning about a Philippino carer who is concerned about getting the covid vaccine because she's here over 10 years and undocumented (ie: illegal) and worried she'll be deported.

She's grateful to McEntee though for her plans to regularise her status. McEntee herself interviewed as well and assuring her/them that their information wouldn't be passed on - ie: encouraging them to not only continue to break the law but we'll vaccinate them all (figure of 20000 was mentioned) anyway until she waves all this away with her amnesty plan.

What the hell is going on in this country?

The most annoying thing for me here is there is a business employing this person that are breaking our tax laws and other laws for a decade who the justice minister won't prosecute. It doesn't seem to be an issue for them in the slightest.

This can be replicated across tens of thousands of businesses in this country who are employing illegal immigrants and not paying tax. Yet no politician or journalists question this?

If I didn't pay the tens of thousands of tax that I do every year or didn't pay my TV license they wouldn't be long coming after me.

[Deleted User]

TomTomTim wrote: »

In the case of Italy the system is trying to make the problem worse by bringing anyone who takes serious action against the problem to court

The reality is, is that there's way too many people within the system who want all of this madness to continue

The current Italian and Spanish governments are two of Europe's biggest weakpoints on illegal migration at the moment. Both ideologically support it from their political viewpoint, left wing and socialist.

Others who hold influence in these countries see it as a chance to help with some of the worlds lowest fertility rates, 1.3 roughly in both countries. Both countries are expected to see their populations half over the coming few decades, mass migration is seen by them as a way of countering this.

TomTomTim

Deleted User wrote: »

2,000 people have just arrived on an Italian island in the space of 24 hours, the EU are asking for solidarity in resettling these people throughout the EU. I assume once again Ireland will step forward....

At some stage the EU are going to have to protect their borders.

In the case of Italy the system is trying to make the problem worse by bringing anyone who takes serious action against the problem to court

A judge in Sicily has ordered the former Italian interior minister Matteo Salvini to stand trial for refusing to let a Spanish migrant rescue ship dock in an Italian port in 2019, keeping the people at sea for days.

Judge Lorenzo Iannelli set 15 September as the trial date during a court hearing in Palermo, LaPresse news agency reported.

Salvini, who attended the hearing, confirmed the outcome and said he was only doing his job and his duty by refusing entry to the Open Arms rescue ship and the 147 people it had rescued in the Mediterranean Sea.

Citing the Italian constitution, Salvini tweeted that defending the country was the “sacred duty” of every Italian. “I’m going on trial for this, for having defended my country?” he said. “I’ll go with my head held high, also in your name.”

Palermo prosecutors have accused Salvini of dereliction of duty and kidnapping, for keeping the migrants at sea off the coast of Lampedusa for almost three weeks in August 2019. During the standoff, some people threw themselves overboard in desperation as the captain pleaded for a safe, close port. Eventually, after a 19-day ordeal, the remaining 83 migrants still onboard were allowed to disembark in Lampedusa.

Salvini had maintained a hard line on migration as interior minister during the first government of the then prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, from 2018-19. While demanding that EU nations do more to take in migrants arriving in Italy, Salvini argued that humanitarian rescue ships were only encouraging Libyan-based traffickers and that his policy saved lives by discouraging further risky trips across the Mediterranean.

His lawyer, Giulia Bongiorno, said she was certain the court would determine that no kidnapping was involved.

“There was no limitation on their freedom,” she told reporters after the indictment was handed down. “The ship had the possibility of going anywhere. There was just a prohibition of going into port. But it had 100,000 options.”

The group behind Open Arms welcomed the decision to put Salvini on trial. “We are happy for all the people we have rescued … in all these years,” it tweeted.

Salvini is also under investigation for another, similar migrant standoff involving the Italian coastguard ship Gregoretti, which Salvini refused to allow to dock in the summer of 2019.

The prosecutor in that case, Andrea Bonomo of Catania in Sicily, advised against a trial, arguing that Salvini was carrying out government policy when he kept the 116 migrants at sea for five days.

The reality is, is that there's way too many people within the system who want all of this madness to continue

DeadHand

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

What the hell is going on in this country?

Ultimately?

A cynical process to dramatically inflate both labour pools and markets for the benefit of big business protected and justified by those who profit from it and those who have been duped into doing so in the belief they are displaying extraordinary compassion and/or fighting imaginary Nazis.