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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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boardise

Deleted User wrote: »

What's your problem?

What kind of dumb response is that ?

cantalach

Mav11 wrote: »

I agree. Was there not a movement a few years ago by those with a republican bent to change all placenames with a British connection e.g. Victoria Rd?

With their campaign materials in the Queen's finest English...

Meanwhile, Cork City Council allows a new housing development next to Con on Boreenmanna Road to be called Aylesbury. Seriously?

Mav11

cantalach wrote: »

With their campaign materials in the Queen's finest English...

Meanwhile, Cork City Council allows a new housing development next to Con on Boreenmanna Road to be called Aylesbury. Seriously?

How about The Cotswolds in Midleton? Really annoying, you couldn't make it up.

marno21

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40290341.html

Consultants to be appointed by months end to progress the Cork suburban rail project. Jacobs already working on the Light Rail and Jarrett Walker & Associates working on the redesigned bus network.

Mardyke

greedygoblin wrote: »

What cork_exile is saying is that without signposts enforcement is not possible from a legal perspective. Hence the comment earlier about the torn up tickets...

I understand what he's saying!!

It's just a poor argument. If people weren't so selfish and ignorant then enforcement wouldn't even be needed. It's scumbags pushing the law to the limits.

Do you have signposts informing people not to take a dump in your wheelie bin, for example?!! You shouldn't need to!!

[Deleted User]

Mardyke wrote: »

I understand what he's saying!!

It's just a poor argument. If people weren't so selfish and ignorant then enforcement wouldn't even be needed. It's scumbags pushing the law to the limits.

Do you have signposts informing people not to take a dump in your wheelie bin, for example?!! You shouldn't need to!!

Bullcrap. It's required to have signs, it's the law around the lanes. And it seems that you don't understand as it is NOT a cycle lane without them.
Without them the lanes are just fancy squggles on the ground.

What you're proposing is that we can break the law around creating cycle lanes, while you give out about people breaking the law parking in them.

So, just say that you don't know if there are signs or not, and we can both wait for someone more informed.

Mardyke

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bullcrap. It's required to have sings, it's the law around the lanes. And it seems that you don't understand as it is NOT a cycle lane without them.
Without them the lanes are just fancy squggles on the ground.

What you're proposing is that we can break the law around creating cycle lanes, whike yiu give out about people breaking the law parking in them.

So, just say that you don't know if there are signs or not, and we can both wait for someone mode informed.

This attitude is what makes Ireland such a crap place to live these days, certainly in terms of healthy living and moving to a non car centric society.

Sad.

[Deleted User]

Mardyke wrote: »

This attitude is what makes Ireland such a crap place to live these days, certainly in terms of healthy living and moving to a non car centric society.

Sad.

What attitude? Actually obeying the law?

You don't get to choose which laws to obey

Happy...
Edit: Actually I'm not happy. I'm shattered from the past few days of ICT hellscape.
Too tired for your histrionics around a simply question, so ignored

Chris_5339762

Some helpful person was driving down the new cycle lane in Glounthaune yesterday. You know the really nice wide new segregated one.

greedygoblin

Mardyke wrote: »

If people weren't so selfish and ignorant then enforcement wouldn't even be needed. It's scumbags pushing the law to the limits.

And that is the crux of the issue. Because scumbags will act like scumbags.

namloc1980

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Some helpful person was driving down the new cycle lane in Glounthaune yesterday. You know the really nice wide new segregated one.

But how did the signs not magically stop them from doing it?? I mean, signs are the answer to all our problems.

namloc1980

marno21 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40290341.html

Consultants to be appointed by months end to progress the Cork suburban rail project. Jacobs already working on the Light Rail and Jarrett Walker & Associates working on the redesigned bus network.

All this better end up with actual physical infrastructure instead of more reports with fancy cgi and maps on a page.

[Deleted User]

namloc1980 wrote: »

But how did the signs not magically stop them from doing it?? I mean, signs are the answer to all our problems.

Then you can complain about enforcement. No signs means they are doing nothing illegal (on the parking aspect anyway)

namloc1980

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Then you can complain about enforcement. No signs means they are doing nothing illegal (on the parking aspect anyway)

The are signs in the Glounthaune cycle path and they still did it.

[Deleted User]

namloc1980 wrote: »

The are signs in the Glounthaune cycle path and they still did it.

So that's an enforcement issue and we should be complaining to the correct authority. I was asking a simple question about the parking image

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

So that's an enforcement issue and we should be complaining to the correct authority. I was asking a simple question about the parking image

We're not going to have Gardaí monitoring every cycle lane in the country for transgressions and it's really a selfish and ignorance issue firstly. Too many people out there just don't give a shiite about other people or their surroundings. They'll park on footpaths, drive on cycle lanes, let their dogs crap all over the footpaths without cleaning it up, leave their rubbish behind them etc. Such a lack of civic pride.

Mardyke

So, it all comes down to signs!!

I'm not familiar with the new Glounthane cycleway, but is it not very obvious that it's a cycleway and not a road?

So, regardless of signs, unless we have a full time patrol on every cycleway in the city and county, enforcement is difficult.

It comes back to the attitude of people.

That needs to change.

Pandiculation

It’ll need bollards. If you look at how unenforceable the clear way was on MacCurtain Street for all the time its existed and & been signed, it’s very obvious that in a place like the South Mall, you’ll just get tons of parking.

namloc1980

Pandiculation wrote: »

It’ll need bollards. If you look at how unenforceable the clear way was on MacCurtain Street for all the time its existed and & been signed, it’s very obvious that in a place like the South Mall, you’ll just get tons of parking.

And plenty of the "I'm just pulling in for a few minutes" merchants.

cgcsb

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Are they going to put up barriers to protect the new cycle lane on South Mall? If not it's just going to turn into a car park.

You'd wonder what's wrong with people that they look at that and say 'oh, free parking'.

Mardyke

cgcsb wrote: »

You'd wonder what's wrong with people that they look at that and say 'oh, free parking'.

You can see from the poster above, who thinks about the law behind enforcement before safety for fellow citizens, to understand what a big problem has been created.

People have become slobs. With SUVs.

[Deleted User]

cgcsb wrote: »

You'd wonder what's wrong with people that they look at that and say 'oh, free parking'.

Then get the law changed (if it has not got signage)

Mardyke

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Then get the law changed (if it has not got signage)

Jog on willya. With your signs and your Law For Dummies paperback.

Disgraceful attitude.

hot buttered scones

Mardyke wrote: »

Jog on willya. With your signs and your Law For Dummies paperback.

Disgraceful attitude.

They are not wrong though, are they? Without the correct legal signage, nothing can be done (from a legal perspective) about people parking in unsigned cycle lanes. Put up the correct signage, then ticket like mad and increase the fines. Behavioural change only comes about in this country (and many others I suppose) by bringing in legislation to combat the behaviour you are trying to change and then enforcing that legislation. Driving is a prime example - behaviours and attitudes were change over a long period of time for things like drinking and driving, speeding etc with harsher penalties, stricter enforcement, penalty points etc. People stopped engaging in these behaviours initially because the punishment wasn't worth it. After that came the massive shift in societal attitudes - once acceptable or even just tolerated behaviours have no become unacceptable and even seen as anti social. I don't think the argument is that there is nothing wrong with parking in a cycle lane, because there clearly is. The argument, as I understand it, is it doesn't matter if its wrong or right - if there isn't a law against people will still do it, regardless of how you or I or anyone else feels about it.

AugustusMinimus

Mardyke wrote: »

Jog on willya. With your signs and your Law For Dummies paperback.

Disgraceful attitude.

No idea what your attitude is about. Cork exile is trying to provide reasoned argument and you’re doing nothing but rubbishing it without any basis.

Gaspode

Lets keep it civil please

the beer revolu

Humans.

A group of people all want the same thing - people to stop parking and driving in cycle lanes.
Huge argument ensues.

Humans.

fonecrusher1

Unfortunately regardless of whether there are signs or not some people are just lazy selfish godshytes who'll park where they want. Then play the old oh I didn't know that bit of road with the funny markings wasn't somewhere I could park!

whisky_galore

Ah shur twill be grand/only parking for 5 mins/ah shur deres no one riding bikes around here/ah shur nobody issuing fines I'll chance it/shur theres loads of room to cycle around my car/if someone has a problem, I'll pretend I didn't see nawtin/feckin signs tellin me to do stuff, I'll show them...

That's the difference between us and Swedes, Germans, Dutch etc.

AugustusMinimus

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Unfortunately regardless of whether there are signs or not some people are just lazy selfish godshytes who'll park where they want. Then play the old oh I didn't know that bit of road with the funny markings wasn't somewhere I could park!

A cycle lane was installed outside of Cork Con. the issue?

No signs were put up and the road markings were exactly the same as those used elsewhere in the city to show parking spaces. Que people parking in the cycle lane.

You first ensure that people know it’s a cycle lane. When this hurdle has been clearly jumped you move onto enforcement. Without the public knowing it’s a cycle lane, enforcement makes no sense.