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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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Mav11

Pandiculation wrote: »

There are a few other examples of reuse of the same street name in Cork. The council should tidy it up.

Also while I’m on the topic of crazy stuff, the use of house names and no numbers in quite a few areas of this city is bonkers. How An Post ever allowed it to happen in fairly densely populated streets is beyond me. It’s also not snobbery where people replace numbers with house names, but you just have no numbering at all in some of the older parts of the city.

An Post has no authority in this area. All these legacy issues with non unique addresses etc. is the problem that Eircode has to a large extent sorted out.

Pandiculation

Mav11 wrote: »

An Post has no authority in this area. All these legacy issues with non unique addresses etc. is the problem that Eircode has to a large extent sorted out.

To a point, but the whole laissez faire approach to assigning house numbers is down to the council. We have three different houses all claiming to be number 8 on my street because some people count 1,2,3 along the left and loop back down the other side. Some people are using the site numbers that were on some map and others are using the chronological order the houses were built in. Others don’t use them at all. Some have house names one or two seem to just use family name & street.

Google maps seems to have settled on some kind of standard but the whole thing is utterly daft.

I’ve had discussions with neighbours as we are constantly getting post for other people and confused couriers because someone keeps correcting Google maps to a weird and illogical numbering regime that isn’t even sequential lol

Treehelpplease

Eircodes should fix that though no?

Justin Credible Darts

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Extremely popular with Bishopstown residents. I lived beside for it a few years and it was very handy.

I am biased in that i used to deliver to that store many moons ago and it was a complete nightmare.

Up there with the dunnes of north main street as an absolute curse for deliveries

Pandiculation

Treehelpplease wrote: »

Eircodes should fix that though no?

Not when the postman doesn't read them. They just go from the top line of the address and we seem to keep changing postman too. It's largely sorted them out for packages, although you get the odd courier insisting that they have the right address when they're way off due to the Google maps errors / endless changes caused by someone resubmitting corrections.

The other issue we get is people who just can't read maps. So, quite regularly if I use eircode, you'll get something like a pizza delivery guy going to the house directly behind me, which is actually not even on the same street. It's not Eircode's fault, but it would be avoided if the addresses weren't so daft.

Anyway, it's not to derail the thread but it's just somewhat typical of the chaotic way stuff is done in this city.

With the roads that were severed or changed, they really should prefix or suffix them with "Upper / Lower" or "Old" or something like that.

I don't think you can really change the name of an established road, but you can definitely add something to it to distinguish between two unconnected parts.

marno21

Two new SHDs today:

276 units (137 houses + 139 apartments) at Ardarostig, Waterfall Road, Bishopstown. https://ardarostigplanning.ie/ (SHD previously refused here). Application

164 units (147 houses + 17 apartments) at Courtstown, Little Island. Consultation so no website.

beer enigma

Anyone know what's planned for the hoarded off site just past the CSO on the left heading towards Mahon point.

I know they knocked some sort of factory there years ago and are using it as a car park, but I saw there was a large pile driving machine drilling there yesterday.

Mefistofelino

beer enigma wrote: »

Anyone know what's planned for the hoarded off site just past the CSO on the left heading towards Mahon point.

I know they knocked some sort of factory there years ago and are using it as a car park, but I saw there was a large pile driving machine drilling there yesterday.

It was (and still may be) a JCD site. I think they parked it while they were working on Albert Quay and moving on to the Sextant as they only seem to deal with one large project at a time. With the Sextant on the long finger, maybe they are turning their attention back to this.
The original plan was for three office blocks, IIRC and JCD went back to the Council for permission to change one block to apartments, which was rejected.

snotboogie

Mefistofelino wrote: »

It was (and still may be) a JCD site. I think they parked it while they were working on Albert Quay and moving on to the Sextant as they only seem to deal with one large project at a time. With the Sextant on the long finger, maybe they are turning their attention back to this.
The original plan was for three office blocks, IIRC and JCD went back to the Council for permission to change one block to apartments, which was rejected.

Yep I think they announced that they were starting a few months before lockdown. Bit disappointed if this is going ahead of Albert Quay

hot buttered scones

Shedite27 wrote: »

I used to love Pizzaland
https://twitter.com/RandomCorkStuff/status/754401934090629124/photo/1

I worked in that Burgerland for a few years. Saturday nights were absolute mayhem

fonecrusher1

I knew a lad who worked in Victoria hotel many years ago. He said some of the rooms occasionally had occupants complaining of certain supernatural occurrences and some hotel staff refused to go into one or two particular rooms to clean up. :eek:

whisky_galore

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I knew a lad who worked in Victoria hotel many years ago. He said some of the rooms occasionally had occupants complaining of certain supernatural occurrences and some hotel staff refused to go into one or two particular rooms to clean up. :eek:

Yeah right.

the beer revolu

whisky_galore wrote: »

Yeah right.

Most hotels in old buildings have these stories.

The Maldron being one.
No doubt The imperial and metropole have their ghosts, too. Haven't heard about those ones, though.

whisky_galore

the beer revolu wrote: »

Most hotels in old buildings have these stories.

The Maldron being one.
No doubt The imperial and metropole have their ghosts, too. Haven't heard about those ones, though.

If you set out expecting one then you will "see" or sense one. Stories are all they are. I really don't know why people are more scared of stories than being attacked by a real, living scumbag. I've yet to hear of anyone hurt by a ghost.

namloc1980

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Are they going to put up barriers to protect the new cycle lane on South Mall? If not it's just going to turn into a car park.

[Deleted User]

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Are they going to put up barriers to protect the new cycle lane on South Mall? If not it's just going to turn into a car park.

Is it signposted, etc?

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it signposted, etc?

No idea. But signposts are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard as we know well from the abuse of the cycle lane at Alfred Street by motorists. The was until actual physical separation was put in place.

[Deleted User]

namloc1980 wrote: »

No idea. But signposts are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard as we know well from the abuse of the cycle lane at Alfred Street by motorists. The was until actual physical separation was put in place.

As the torn up tickets outside Con show, signage is everything

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

As the torn up tickets outside Con show, signage is everything

Signage didn't stop widespread abuse of Alfred Street by motorists. Enforcement is key. All the signs in the world are useless without enforcement or physical segregation.

[Deleted User]

namloc1980 wrote: »

Signage didn't stop widespread abuse of Alfred Street by motorists. Enforcement is key. All the signs in the world are useless without enforcement or physical segregation.

What I'm saying is that enforcement is not possible without correct signs.
And, if there are not signs, it's not a bike lane

I'm just asking a question because the image doesn't show

Mardyke

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What I'm saying is that enforcement is not possible without correct signs.
And, if there are not signs, it's not a bike lane

I'm just asking a question because the image doesn't show

Signposts? Saying what?

"This way if you're a Dickh-ead" ?

[Deleted User]

Mardyke wrote: »

Signposts? Saying what?

"This way if you're a Dickh-ead" ?

What's your problem?

Mav11

hot buttered scones wrote: »

I worked in that Burgerland for a few years. Saturday nights were absolute mayhem

Is that the sign for CoCo's in the 2nd window from the left? Happy days!!

Mardyke

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What's your problem?

My problem is with entitled pricks that need a signpost to tell them not park on a cycle lane that has been put in to keep people safe.

My problem is that people are so lazy and ignorant these days that they couldn't care less if a kid (or anyone) died because of their illegal parking.

What's your problem?

greedygoblin

Mardyke wrote: »

My problem is with entitled pricks that need a signpost to tell them not park on a cycle lane that has been put in to keep people safe.

My problem is that people are so lazy and ignorant these days that they couldn't care less if a kid (or anyone) died because of their illegal parking.

What's your problem?

What cork_exile is saying is that without signposts enforcement is not possible from a legal perspective. Hence the comment earlier about the torn up tickets...

cantalach

On the subject of the physically segregated cycle paths that have been developed over the last year, a problem is starting to become apparent. Most of them are starting to accumulate a lot of debris that is kicked in by passing motor vehicles. The use of road sweepers in the main traffic lanes exacerbates the problem. Some stretches are already unusable puncture minefields. Putting in cycling infrastructure requires a commitment to regular maintenance and sweeping, i.e. it needs ongoing op-ex as well as the initial cap-ex. I'm not sure Cork City Council gets this.

[Deleted User]

Mardyke wrote: »

My problem is with entitled pricks that need a signpost to tell them not park on a cycle lane that has been put in to keep people safe.

My problem is that people are so lazy and ignorant these days that they couldn't care less if a kid (or anyone) died because of their illegal parking.

What's your problem?

People ignoring the law, to suit their own agendas.

If it's not adequately labelled then it's NOT a cycle lane.
If it is then we have an issue with enforcement.

You can't choose which part of the law you wish to follow

[Deleted User]

cantalach wrote: »

On the subject of the physically segregated cycle paths that have been developed over the last year, a problem is starting to become apparent. Most of them are starting to accumulate a lot of debris that is kicked in by passing motor vehicles. The use of road sweepers in the main traffic lanes exacerbates the problem. Some stretches are already unusable puncture minefields. Putting in cycling infrastructure requires a commitment to regular maintenance and sweeping, i.e. it needs ongoing op-ex as well as the initial cap-ex. I'm not sure Cork City Council gets this.

The red and yellow road marking grit has caused more spills than one could count, when the excess collected at the edges

boardise

TheChizler wrote: »

Is there a problem to solve though? I've never found it confusing, maybe people do initially. I think changing street names is much more confusing. Anglesea Street is up for a name change, bit of a populist move that noone was calling for IMO. Soon you'll have the Anglesea St Garda amd fire station but no Anglesea St.

I'm all against this tampering with long established placenames that have historical resonance.
There are new developments constantly coming along that can be used to mark people or events of significance but please let the old ones be.

Mav11

boardise wrote: »

I'm all against this tampering with long established placenames that have historical resonance.
There are new developments constantly coming along that can be used to mark people or events of significance but please let the old ones be.

I agree. Was there not a movement a few years ago by those with a republican bent to change all placenames with a British connection e.g. Victoria Rd?