Tell me how wrote: » You mean the election they won? What did you see during the 2020 campaign that would have you think they should regret their choice?
Infini wrote: » They won the presidency but they lost some state legistures as well as a few seats in congress. Granted the situation with covid meant they were not out on the ground as much but what they need is to learn fron where they lost ground and take it back. The Republicans are dangerously deluded, have abandoned reason for baseless conspiracies and just blatently corrupt, you only have to look at how they're out passing voter supression legislation to see they're going for Authoratarianism in the same way they acted up the North against Catholics 60 years ago. Truth is the republican party is dead its the Trump Conspiracy Party now and anywhere its in power it'll corrupt things further.
Quin_Dub wrote: » Agreed on Cheney Here's the thing though. If trump is still available , he will be the 2024 GOP Candidate and he will pick whoever the hell he likes as VP. He won't accept an "establishment pick" like Pence a second time around so you literally could have any kind of nutter as his running mate. Although I suspect that Stefanik would fancy her chances snaking that gig - She's clearly willing to say/do pretty much anything to get ahead. On that basis , there really isn't all that much wrong with a Biden/Harris ticket again.
salmocab wrote: » Cheney is a hardline conservative, apart from saying the election was not stolen she is as conservative as the people who removed her.
Rjd2 wrote: » She genuinely has nothing in common with even the most moderate Dems. Once you get past her stance on Trump, its a feast of horrors, incredibly right wing on everything and still an absolute war hawk. Then of course their is still the still matter of her father been one of the worst people alive who played a huge role in the Iraq war. No idea who she will pick as VP, maybe Mayor Pete? Sherrod Brown would be a good play , but obviously the maths of the senate make it a really big call.
marno21 wrote: » Pure off the wall stuff. Cheney is more conservative than most of the people who are overthrowing her. She has a better rating with the ACU than her replacement Elise Stefanik. Cheney and Harris could not be further apart on policy. Their only common ground is in relation to losing candidates of presidential elections mounting insurrections against the US. I really hope the Dems learn the lessons of 2020 and have someone better than Kamala Harris in mind for the 2024 election also.
Brian? wrote: » It was off the wall, intentionally so. What lesson do the the Dems need to learn from 2020 exactly? They walked the Presidential election.
Tell me how wrote: » They most definitely won, but it took 4 days for it to be declared. Think that cancels any suggestion of them walking it without even going in to the narrow margin of victory they had in key states.
Brian? wrote: » It took a long time to call because of the record turnout and the amount of postal votes. The end result wasn’t close at all. They won Az and Ga for the first time since Clinton. They walked it, it was never actually in doubt. They won by 7million votes.
Tell me how wrote: » Not to mind, even PP flipped their odds from a Biden win to a Trump win about 5am Irish time on the night of the election.
marno21 wrote: » Ah come on now. He won Arizona (10,457), Georgia (11,779) and Wisconsin (20,682) by a combined total of 42,918 votes. Had he not won those 3 states it would have been 269-269, gone to the House and Trump would have won. Had he lost NE-02, another 22,091 votes, he would have lost it 270-268. 65,009 votes was what Biden won by. 7 million is irrelevant, the popular vote doesn't matter. This is why the Harris etc stuff is annoying. Sure Harris could win by 7 million votes but if those votes are new votes in LA/Chicago/New York it doesn't matter. The electoral college matters and Biden was 65,009 votes away from losing that. We could debate for the night how ****ed that is (Hillary winning by 3 million but Trump winning the EC by ~80k votes in PA/WI/MI is the same) but that's how it'll be in 2024 too. On a state level, I can see PA going full R by 2024, but hopefully NC will start drifting bluewards to make up for it. AZ/GA will hopefully continue to drift bluewards too.
Leroy42 wrote: » Why do you assume that Harris won't win the same votes?
[Deleted User] wrote: » As above. There were posts on here for a couple of years about how Trump only won by 70k-odd in 2016, Biden's margin was even slimmer at the end of the day. Anything but a booming economy in 3 and a half years' time and the Dems are toast. That's how it goes.
Brian? wrote: » So let’s say I buy into the the super close election narrative, what lessons do the Democrats need to learn from 2020? IMO they need to do exactly what they did in 202 to win again: Fight every voter suppression law in the courts and maximise the turnout.
Tell me how wrote: » I've said this before, 180K going the other way (out of circa 20 million votes) in the key states would have been enough to return Trump. Ask Hillary what prize you get for only winning the popular vote. Not to mind, even PP flipped their odds from a Biden win to a Trump win about 5am Irish time on the night of the election.
Field east wrote: » BUT Trump lost even having held a lot of advantages going into the election , such as:- - up against a very weak and , as some would say, doddery candidate -an old and not very energetic candidate - Biden held practically no rallies as against Trump holding numerous ones -Biden had a number of failed bids to become president -Biden had poor record of achievement in his long political career. -The republicans were in control in a lot of states but still managed to lose them -Trump was the outgoing peseident so was in pole position. He apparently knew what the Democrats were apparently up to re trying to get enough votes to win the election so why did the GOP not do the same thing ‘whatever that was’ AND STILL HE LOST Trump said at one stage that Biden was such a weak candidate that he was wondering would he get any votes at all or words to that effect
Cody montana wrote: » Didn’t he say he’d leave the country if Biden wins?
banie01 wrote: » He'll shortly be declaring Mar e Lago's succession and his election as president for life
Field east wrote: » BUT Trump lost even having held a lot of advantages going into the election , such as:- - up against a very weak and , as some would say, doddery candidate -an old and not very energetic candidate - Biden held practically no rallies as against Trump holding numerous ones -Biden had a number of failed bids to become president -Biden had poor record of achievement in his long political career. -The republicans were in control in a lot of states but still managed to lose them -Trump was the outgoing peseident so was in pole position. He apparently knew what the Democrats were apparently up to re trying to get enough votes to win the election so why did the GOP not do the same thing ‘whatever that was’AND STILL HE LOST Trump said at one stage that Biden was such a weak candidate that he was wondering would he get any votes at all or words to that effect
Field east wrote: » Trump said at one stage that Biden was such a weak candidate that he was wondering would he get any votes at all or words to that effect
Manic Moran wrote: » The problem is that whatever about Trump saying that Biden was a weak candidate, would anyone say that Trump was, himself, a particularly strong candidate? Yes, he has a base which is very loyal to him. but not all those 75million Trump voters actually liked him. There is still a very strong element of "anti-Democrat" in the US which is not going to be countered next time around by "I can't vote for Trump". Unless, of course, he gets the 2024 nomination, I guess.
ZeroThreat wrote: » Surely you mean secession.
Christy42 wrote: » What else can they do but put him forward? They have 0 policies outside of what he says. They no longer have an identity outside of Trump. Anyone who disagrees with him is purged so you have Trump or a Trump proxy by definition. No one who disagrees is allowed inside the Republican party. Any moderates who have not yet been found will be thrown out or made to swear allegiance. Not Trump is not a big threat to Democrats. Anti voting laws are where the next election will be lost and won. Trump came close this time around and the gop have stepped up their game since he lost.
Tell me how wrote: » I can't believe some of the retrospective of what went on in last years election. and all of what you have written is fine if you consider his Presidency as being 17, 18, 19 and that the election was possibly held it Jan 2020. But it wasn't 2020 was one of the most significant years for a US Presidency, in history. First off, Trump himself is no stranger to being viewed as old, or doddery. But, the absolutely GIGANTIC elephant in the room, which you have completely discounted is Covid. His reaction to it, in dismissing it, ignoring masks, wanting to prioritize the economy, shifting blame, stealing supplies on their way to other countries, telling the states they were on their own, giving false information on treatment options, undermining medical professionals, threatening to fire Fauci, being focused on the ratings at his press conferences and flat out refusing to take responsibility for it. All of that before it emerged he made a conscious decision to downplay it at a time when they had the opportunity to get ahead of it in preparation, contracted it himself and then still continued to hold rallies in that environment. Secondly, the also large, but small in comparison to the beast above, was his response to the BLM protests that erupted last summer. He used it as a political weapon to try to blame Democrats for instigating the protests and he practically begged state Governors to utilize the national guard and to get very tough with people who were attending them. And several other younger but still large elephants running around the place including his attempt to cancel some members of the White House Press Corp, the 215 indictments tied to his administration, him being impeached, him only paying $750 in tax a couple of years while in the White House, his 'LIBERATE' tweets which emboldened extreme conservatives to plan to kidnap and kill a state Governor as well as storm a number of state houses and to a lesser degree, his regressive policies in relation to the Climate and Iran, his attempt even ahead of the election to detrimentally influence the electoral process with the placement of DeJoy at the head of the USPS who started to try to slow down the receipt and acceptance of postal votes. And finally, in this respect, that he never broached 50% satisfaction rating while in Office. All that aside, Biden conclusively won the debates with the rules being changed in how they were carried out as it was evident Trump could not control himself. Biden was very smart in not holding large rallies because A, it showed his respect and awareness of the dangers from mass gatherings, and B it drastically reduced the Trump campaign from utilising doctored videos from the rallies to make him appear weak. And with all this being said, and as has been pointed out a number of times, he still came within 0.06% of the total ballots cast in being returned (approx 100K out of 155M) if these 100K had been in particular states. And this is why, looking forward towards 2024, if he is there, I'm not hopeful that he will get the embarrassing hiding he deserves in spite of adding to the mix his undermining democracy, inciting an insurrection and being a total see you next Tuesday in how he handled the transition.
Leroy42 wrote: » The problem Trump will face is that he was still in a position to claim that nobody could do any better. Biden, so far, is proving that a complete fabrication. It is one thing to stick with what you know for fear of something new, entirely different proposition to what to change what is clearly working for someone that proved a failure in the past. You are correct that had the election been in Jan 2020 Trump would have won, but it is also fair to say that up until that point Trump hadn't faced a significant test. The economy was doing well, no major incidents in the world etc. The 1st few problems he was faced with he failed, that is a hard stain to wash away. Trump is now a loser and a failure. The veneer of 'the bestest businessman ever' has been shown to be false.He ran in 2016 as a new broom, in 2020 as a chance to continue. He lost 2020 because people now know him and didn't like what they saw. And between now & 2024 how is he going to solve that problem?
WhomadeGod wrote: » If its Trump v kamala Harris in 2024 how does that one play out?
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