FrancieBrady wrote: » I could get into what our 'friendships' have stood over. But I won't. I will just say it is the ultimate in hypocrisy really to be taking holier than thou stances here.
Is this the end wrote: » Fine Fail and Fine Gael have been awful in Government for a century now. People are willing to give Sinn Fein a chance, deal with it. Sinn Fein are not responsible for the education crisis, health crisis (pre covid), national debt, housing etc etc.. Thats all on FFG
blanch152 wrote: » This is complete nonsense. This country has been a resounding success, it is very Irish to be putting it down all the time, but we are the envy of most of the world. Why do you think we are now seeing huge immigration compared to huge emigration in the 1950s and 1960s? The turnaround since 1970 has been staggering, and it wasn't Sinn Fein in government that led that turnaround. They were supporting the bombing of Northern Ireland into the ground at that time. We have the problems of success, not the problems of failure.
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » I don't believe Venezuela nor Cuba have a housing crisis, so perhaps SF could solve that particular problem by turning us into those models of economics paradise.
Billcarson wrote: » Indeed that's the thing these gov supporters can't get into their heads. We may not be a basket case country and of course it goes without saying there are far worse off countries then ireland but I think ff and fg have held us back from being somewhat better then we currently are.
Marine Layer wrote: » They'd need to get to about 40-45 seats without canibalising the seats won by other left candidates to be able to bypass FG and FF and form a coalition or get involved with one of those 2 30% doesnt do it for any party on their own,never mind a party consistenly getting a No from 2 of the countries biggest parties
FrancieBrady wrote: » If SF do get into government, how hardl it be be for some having a government that does things they dont agree with. I might run 'coping classes' utilising my personal coping mechanisms...make a few shekels, as they say.
Billcarson wrote: » Well we will find out sooner or later and you can put your theory to the test ,if which i think your theory will prove incorrect.
Marine Layer wrote: » Irs Quare easy not to have a housing crisis under communism with 100's of arbitrary imprisonments of political opponents and journalusts a month that would to paraphrase Frank Kelly make Northern Irelands internment look like outlook Ridiculous country to be praisinghttps://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/cuba As for Venuezela, millions leaving its poverty
blanch152 wrote: » Give an example of a country better than us, and where and how Sinn Fein intend to follow that example.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I'm no fan of the Venezuelan government but can we stop the hypocrisy? It's like you are saying there is no poverty anywhere else in the world. The levels of poverty that I saw in a rich capitalist country like America are as bad as in most countries.
Marine Layer wrote: » At least we have better state rescue's for them than America:) You'd want to be blind to be sending representatives to Maduro's inaugeration though Thats a special level of gerrymandering ignoring hypocrisy
“Yes, we had representatives in Venezuela for the inauguration of the democratically elected president. Politics increasingly is reflective of the fact that we live in a global village. We were there as part of a delegation, we were there because we were invited and I’m very glad that two Sinn Féin representatives were in attendance. “As to endorsing others, the important thing is that countries freely select their political leaderships and freely elect their governments and their government officials. “So it’s not for us to be endorsing or otherwise, we have our political work to do here. We present ourselves for election here to the people of Ireland,” she added. Mr Maduro replaced Hugo Chavez after his death in 2013 and won a six-year term last year despite hyperinflation, chronic food shortages and a severe economic contraction hitting the country. He blames an “economic war” led by the US and local opposition adversaries for the country’s woes. Ms McDonald said many people would not endorse the leadership of Mr Varadkar on the basis of poverty that they may be suffering. “You see there would be people who live in this country who would not endorse the leadership of Leo Varadkar on the basis that they endure poverty, some of them live in hotel rooms and many of them are only barely getting by on very low wages. “I think we also have to acknowledge that he is the Taoiseach and so I think there is a distinction between what people legitimately within their democracies might say or a view that they might have around a political leadership. “There’s a distinction between that and saying well that’s not legitimate,” she said. “We believe that the Venezuelan election was open and democratic and the president has been elected. Let me tell you this, it is for the people of Venezuela and for them alone to decide who their president is and who leads them and that’s our position. It’s the only democratic position you can have.”
StupidLikeAFox wrote: » The world won't end if sinn fein get into power. It will be interesting to see if they can do it firstly - they need to first continue the surge from last time out, unearth a heap of new candidates and then implement a vote management strategy in lots of constituencies to get a decent majority. Its clear they didn't want/weren't ready for government last time out, they won't get away with that next time. If they do get in they will need to deliver on housing and health, push for a united ireland and somehow manage to pay for it all without passing off a lot of voters. They will get a honeymoon period but i people will quickly get annoyed if they just blame "FFG" forever. That us v them mentality is embedded up north but they will run out of steam quickly if they continue with it down here when they are supposed to be running a country
padd b1975 wrote: » Look north Liam.
Billcarson wrote: » The one fear i do have about sf is not how they would handle the economy but they they might put too much effort in trying to get a united ireland. Dont think the country is ready for that and would likely stir things.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » That's their number one aim. I don't think they have ever hid that fact in fairness to them.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Call it what you want, here for clarity is what MLMD said: just because you buy a certain line from the world's powers doesn't mean you are correct in your stance:
I think also, if you look at how 'friendships' with those 'world powers' are rationalised here that you will find similar speak to that above.
Marine Layer wrote: » Ah I see,nothing to see in Venuezela *waves hands* SF doesn't pass the 'Show me your friends and I'll tell you what you are' test by supporting Maduru's basket case tin pot regime to be honest
Is this the end wrote: » FFG have ran the country with a us v them for centurys. Dont think its any different to up North FF and FG supporters think they have a right to be in Govt and how dare anyone else get involved. SF living rent free in there heads
FrancieBrady wrote: » Nobody said there was 'nothing to see'. What they did say is that there is 'something' to see almost everywhere, in every government and every system of government. You'll just have to get used to your government doing things you don't agree with, just as some of us have to do from time to time since the foundation of the state. It's called, living in a democracy, or. not being a hypocrite and turning a blind eye to things you don't want to see.
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » There's a fair element of truth in this, but it doesn't explain how SF gravitates towards some of the worst governments in the world, and certainly not the ones that Irish people would clamour to emigrate to their countries.
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