FrancieBrady wrote: » I figured it would be a trite answer. Hazzard, like the UN and others praised the 'intention' to eradicate domestic poverty. SF (as backed up and ignored by you in favour of a trite response) have criticised China (like the UN and others) for human rights abuses as they will western states.
Marine Layer wrote: » Oh I'd say those Uigars have had poverty abolished alright Francie Hypocrites
FrancieBrady wrote: » 'Supports'??? If the metric is praising aspects of how a government behaves and turning a blind eye to other bad behavioural aspects then we 'support' all sorts of things as a country due to the activities of our governments. Does our relationship with the UK mean we support the killing of another 10 of our people on the streets of Ireland for instance? Does our provision of Shannon Airport and other facilitations mean we 'support' what the Americans do elsewhere or even in their own country? Praising an action or a policy of another government doesn't mean you 'support' all it does. There was no rush to the keyboards, I noticed, up on the high moral desks when SF criticised human rights abuses (which occur in every government in the west if you care to look without blinkers) by China...but give what you believe to be deserved praise and whoosh...starter for ten for the high moral grounders. https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/57586
Marine Layer wrote: » I think SF should look at who it supports first before denograting our country as being worse than it actually is and by a long long long shot Venuzela,Cuba,China,Russia,those kind of places that SF cosy up to as beacons of light to praise https://www.catholicarena.com/latest/sinnfeinccphttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-meps-abstain-in-vote-on-russia-resolution-1.2246473https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/55240https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cubahttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/mary-lou-mcdonald-defends-sinn-f%C3%A9in-attendance-at-maduro-inauguration-1.3756280https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/27/no-pity-for-corrupt-maduro-who-has-broken-his-country-democracy-must-have-its-day
Marco23d wrote: » At the end of the day Sinn Fein/PIRA are getting closer and closer to complete control and power over all of Ireland. You girls can gossip and spread misinformation and half truths all you want but you cannot prevent the inevitable the provos are going to run the 26 counties and then soon enough all Ireland.
smurgen wrote: » Even in these indexes we've cooked the books. Our fake GDP figure alone puts us artificially high. Once you use GNP we fall at least 8 place in most rankings. Then corruption index? Don't make me laugh. We don't have adequate anti corruption laws to even measure that right. Some of the stuff that would get you locked up in other countries isn't even legislated for here.
blanch152 wrote: » Any government, not including FF and FG, won't last six months. Hopefully the damage done will not be too significant. People won't know how good things are, until they are gone.
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » "Who's planet" is the epitome of Irishness, a failure to recognize where the country actually stands in reality outside of one's own narrow perceived sphere of view. The UN Human development index puts Ireland at joint second with Switzerland out of 189 countires. Our corruption index is 20 out of 180, hardly the worst in the world. We are a successful country and have developed massively over the last several decades. I'm old enough to remember the '80s, where the human need to live in a house back then was solved by emigration.
Billcarson wrote: » I don't expect sf or any other party to magically turn things around I'm not that nieve. But I think alot of people have had enough of ff and fg. I would reasonably expect MM to be the last ever ff taoisech when he hands over the reins to LV at the start of 2022. Times are changing politically in this country ,ff and fg supporters can spin whatever they like but they are/ will become a dying breed of that i have no doubt. Btw Im not nieve enough to think this country or any other should be perfect either ,we don't live in a perfect world but it could and should be better.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » And who will they vote for to achieve this amazing turnabout, William?
Billcarson wrote: » The vote, you dying out breed.
Fann Linn wrote: » In fairness Blanch, someone being excluded from the market in Maynooth or Monaghan doesn't really give a damn that they're better off than the lad in Munich.
Billcarson wrote: » In whos planet???? What about cost of living? The human need to live in a house? Freedom from corruption, jesus christ are you having a laugh.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » And how will they do that, William. Outline it if you will………..all ears?
Marco23d wrote: » You girls can gossip and spread misinformation and half truths all you want but you cannot prevent the inevitable the provos are going to run the 26 counties and then soon enough all Ireland.
blanch152 wrote: » https://www.statista.com/statistics/868129/average-transaction-price-of-new-dwelling-europe/https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Wages_and_labour_costs#Gross_wages.2Fearnings Look I don't doubt the anecdotal experiences being talked about on radio, but in a European context, we are above average for median earnings and below average for cost per square metre in buying houses, which basically means that it is much easier for an average person to buy a house in Ireland than in most places in Europe.
Billcarson wrote: » Yes the esri have said low wages,expensive houses , high rents etc are locking out an entire generation . By God I hope that generation get revenge on ff and fg.
Fann Linn wrote: » All day they've been talking about whole generations blocked from either owning or renting homes due to stagnation of wages and some of the highest rents in the EU. Then some of the govt fans come on and tell them they've never had it so good. Looking forward to the next election if this ship of doom isn't turned hard about pretty soon.
blanch152 wrote: » Funny that, we are pretty close to top of the world rankings for quality of living, for living standards, for freedom from corruption, for human rights. If SF ever come to power, expect us to fall quickly down all of those rankings.
Billcarson wrote: » In fairness to sf though it wasn't as if they caused the mess when it comes to certain things in this country. Ff and fg did. If and more then likely when they get into power it won't be easy picking up the pieces left by ff and fg.
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » SF isn't offering an alternative though. They've always peddled populist appealing noises to give people false hope. As mentioned before, it's like Pearse going over to Greece to support Sryzias disastrous anti-bailout plan. As for the analogy, you might take some comfort in your last drowning breaths, while the lad goes off to find a lifebuoy knowing there isn't one. But the lie will make you feel better.
Fionn1952 wrote: » SF's fantasy economics sure as hell aren't the answer, but at least let's try and offer an alternative other than, 'Suck it up, buttercup. You can't have a holiday because you should be saving for something you won't be able to afford anyway, while paying me enough rent to fund my retirement'.
Fionn1952 wrote: » I think someone hit on the same sort of metaphor earlier, but if you're drowning would you rather have the fella backing away from you, telling you back in his day we swam better and if you don't like it, learn to breathe underwater, or the lad with no clue what he's doing who says he thinks there might be a lifebuoy somewhere near him that he'll go look for? They're both pretty sh*te options, but at least with the latter there's SOME chance.
Marco23d wrote: » Doubt this will be given much attention as Irish media will find it hard to somehow place the blame for these killings on Gerry Adams.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Well done to SF and all those who held out for vindication here. Another state apology incoming but no justice if the Tories get their way.https://twitter.com/sharontobin/status/1392101923197759494
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