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Clare GAA Discussion - 2024 All Ireland Hurling Champions

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Clare GAA Discussion part 2

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Clareman

I don't know about actively working to undermine the manager, ultimately everything that was looked for has been given, from Lohan over Mulqueen to setting up a 5 year plan. The meeting the other night had farce written all over it but considering clubs are back now there was a lot of stuff to be covered in the meeting so I can see why they'd want to move on, be interesting to see what happens tonight. Players should concentrate on playing.

The current squad are nearly all late 20s and have been on the road a long time, a lot of the were involved in the minor team in 2010, most were on the under 21s, and on the senior squad since then, that's a decade at the top level, that's a lot of mileage on the clock. We need players coming through, we relied on this crop of players for so long now that we're at a massive risk of having the whole team finishing at once without anyone replacing them, same thing happened to the team of the 90s.

BnB

Clareman wrote: »

I think there needs to be a line drawn between what's happening at board level and on the pitch, that's easier said than done I know as things have to be get into players heads but the 1 thing I'm noticing is that players are being looked after, yes there's issues with Caherlohan but players are still training and resources are available, yes there's issues with past supporters clubs, but there's a present supporters club in place that's getting supports for the players. On the pitch, the league is now a dead duck for us so lets use it to develop a plan for the Championship, even if we lose every match the focus should be the championship, getting a game plan together needs to be the priority.

At a board level, the most important thing for me is the 5 year plan that's being created, we're almost at the end of the road with this current crop of players (in both hurling and football) and we need to put something in play, it's been said that we have to be careful or else we'll turn into Offaly, the fact is that Offaly are miles ahead of us at the planning side and that will translate to the pitch soon enough.

I'd have to disagree with most of that

Yes, it would be great to draw a line between the board and the players, but that's very difficult to do when people in the board are actively working to undermine the senior manager and his players.

The board have shown a new level of arrogance and neck in the last few months and it is looking more and more like it is going to take something extreme like a players strike to force the issue and get rid of the rot at board level

While the 5 year plan is of course very important, the most important thing right now at board level is CHANGE. No plan, whether it is 12 months, 5 years or 10 years, has any chance of working, when you have people in a position of (almost absolute) power working against it.

I agree with you RE Offaly - They are well down the road in the process of getting their sh1t together and well ahead of Clare in that regard.

I'd also disagree with you RE us being almost at the end of the road with our current crop of hurlers. But, to be fair, that's probably more to do with me just bein' an optimistic aul' hoor.

But ultimately, everyone knows what the problem is in Clare, and Clare hurling has no hope whatsoever of moving forward untill that problem is sorted

Clareman

I think there needs to be a line drawn between what's happening at board level and on the pitch, that's easier said than done I know as things have to be get into players heads but the 1 thing I'm noticing is that players are being looked after, yes there's issues with Caherlohan but players are still training and resources are available, yes there's issues with past supporters clubs, but there's a present supporters club in place that's getting supports for the players. On the pitch, the league is now a dead duck for us so lets use it to develop a plan for the Championship, even if we lose every match the focus should be the championship, getting a game plan together needs to be the priority.

At a board level, the most important thing for me is the 5 year plan that's being created, we're almost at the end of the road with this current crop of players (in both hurling and football) and we need to put something in play, it's been said that we have to be careful or else we'll turn into Offaly, the fact is that Offaly are miles ahead of us at the planning side and that will translate to the pitch soon enough.

bonzothedog

I really do believe that the players should consider their options before continuing with this season's games.
Maybe an all out strike mightn't be wise but some kind of protest needs to be done I think.
Pat Fitz and his board seem to think they can ride this out, and the really scary part is maybe they will!
All this nonsense about stewards on Sunday is a distraction that the players and management can do without.
You get the feeling that there are plenty hoping for Clare to fail on the pitch inside the county.

finbarrk

Dates, venues and times out for Munster Championships now.
https://munster.gaa.ie/fixtures/senior/

BnB

letowski wrote: »

The part about not addressing the secretary contract question by Kilmaley is such pettiness and ignorance.

Or do we need to get a TY student in to teach them how to record minutes of a meeting.

An absolute farce this whole thing is.

At this stage, it is glaringly obvious to everyone what the answer to Kilmaley's query is.

The only question now is what Pat and Jack are going to do about it.

Figerty

letowski wrote: »

The part about not addressing the secretary contract question by Kilmaley is such pettiness and ignorance.

Or do we need to get a TY student in to teach them how to record minutes of a meeting.

An absolute farce this whole thing is.

More about hiding behind procedures...

letowski

The part about not addressing the secretary contract question by Kilmaley is such pettiness and ignorance.

Or do we need to get a TY student in to teach them how to record minutes of a meeting.

An absolute farce this whole thing is.

BnB

caddy16 wrote: »

I didn't think it was possible but its actually getting worse. The new chairman has had a disastrous first few months to put it mildly.

100%

Any thoughts that Jack Chaplin was going to try and sort the septic issues is Clare Gaa can be well and truly dismissed.

Despite having the momentum of national coverage, Eire Ogs work to bring about change and a few great club delegates standing up and shouting about what has needed to be said for a long time, he seems insistent on brushing it all under the carpet and protecting those that have done so much damage to Clare Gaa.

At least now he has made it clear where he stands and those that are trying to bring about change know where they stand with him.

He has chosen to be part of the problems of the last number of years instead of being part of the solution.

caddy16

Golf Crazy Guy wrote: »

Very worrying developments this evening re Clare county board monthly May meeting. Tweets below do not suggest a sign of a more transparent and open CCB that we all hoped in December last year with a new Chair and vice Chair in situ.

https://twitter.com/ClareFM/status/1392176151867625474

https://twitter.com/ClareFM/status/1392176153071325193

And....

https://twitter.com/ClareFM/status/1392183566688264196

I didn't think it was possible but its actually getting worse. The new chairman has had a disastrous first few months to put it mildly.

[Deleted User]

Very worrying developments this evening re Clare county board monthly May meeting. Tweets below do not suggest a sign of a more transparent and open CCB that we all hoped in December last year with a new Chair and vice Chair in situ.

https://twitter.com/ClareFM/status/1392176151867625474

https://twitter.com/ClareFM/status/1392176153071325193

And....

https://twitter.com/ClareFM/status/1392183566688264196

Gael85

Treble double wrote: »

Played minor/21 for Kerry, captained stacks to County title in 2014, has had some very bad injuries since, seemed to be in and out of stacks team last year.
What age is he?
I suppose its no harm having a look at him, would be wary that injuries have blighted him.

Think is he around 26.

Treble double

Gael85 wrote: »

Conor Jordan from Austin Stacks called up to Clare football panel. His father is a Kilkee man.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40286114.html

Played minor/21 for Kerry, captained stacks to County title in 2014, has had some very bad injuries since, seemed to be in and out of stacks team last year.
What age is he?
I suppose its no harm having a look at him, would be wary that injuries have blighted him.

caddy16

Clareman wrote: »

If Conlon was a good center back he would have played there for at least his club, maybe college, maybe underage, not for the first time in his 30s in the national league. Maybe if we were playing a zonal type game he could have a role but we aren't, well I don't think we are, watching the matches I don't know what kind of tactics we have, I think it's to try to open up the middle of the pitch but I'm not sure.

He played centre back for Clonlara under Stack.

Look it was effectively a challenge game so I don't see the harm in trying it albeit I don't think he'll stay there.
The reality is we don't have 6 good enough backs to go man to man with any decent team so Lohan has to find a solution, there's no easy answer.

Gael85

Conor Jordan from Austin Stacks called up to Clare football panel. His father is a Kilkee man.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40286114.html

Clareman

If Conlon was a good center back he would have played there for at least his club, maybe college, maybe underage, not for the first time in his 30s in the national league. Maybe if we were playing a zonal type game he could have a role but we aren't, well I don't think we are, watching the matches I don't know what kind of tactics we have, I think it's to try to open up the middle of the pitch but I'm not sure.

keeponhurling

Even if Conlon was a good center back, surely we have a bigger dearth of talent in the forward line then the half back line ?
At least Conlon can actually score, he’s usually pretty accurate.

Clareman

We have a massive problem winning possession full stop, we can't secure our own puck out and we're terrible on the opposition puck out. Our setup however is to protect against goals, we pull everyone back towards our goal which in turn leaves the center third of the pitch to the opposition, now add in the fact that we don't have any ball winners in the forwards and have a complete reliance on TK means we're not going anywhere without major changes. We did well with Conlon and Duggan in 2018, even when TK wasn't playing well, last year we lost Conlon and Duggan, this year we have Duggan back, we need to build on that

letowski

Figerty wrote: »

Slow down there Letowski! I think Cleary was suspeded for the first match in 2019, the was then not played in the second match and there were holes all over the place..When he was put in there, the holes were filled at centre back and we were way tighter. He is probably better suited to mid-field than full back.

The problem for Clare is we get skinned down the sides of the field. We don't have enough tightness down the sides and we get opened up. The real problem we have is not being able to win first primary ball in the air.. you can't build without that.. Waterford destroyed Kilkenny last year that way.

The problem we have is balance and quality.

Yeah that's true he did miss the first half of Munster that year. Probably wouldn't be fair to be too hard on him versus Limerick considering everyone was terrible that day. I don't know would he have the legs for midfield.

We definitely have a problem with winning aerial possession, absolutely no doubt about that. Peter Duggan is such a huge loss for this county, it saddens me (though I don't blame him at all for going to Australia)

Figerty

letowski wrote: »

Personally I’m not a big fan of Colm Galvin to centre back, but I get the idea.

I’m not comfortable him standing beside the likes of Harnedy, Bonner, Chin or if Limerick wanted to put Kyle Hayes back to centre forward. The problem isn’t just the size or aerial ability that Galvin lacks, it’s also his ability in the tackle. The way teams look to get runners through midfield, it vital you have a centre back who can hit in the tackle and hold the centre. I think Galvin at 6 would be a similar situation to what we had with Seadna last year, a lightweight allowing team to run through us at will. So I don’t see him fixing the situation being honest.

Cleary no doubt didn’t play well in 2019 and the business end of 2018. But at least he give a presence there. I’m not too pushed about his stick work or distribution, we have players around him that he can pass to (Galvin, Ryan, Davy Mc). They are excellent stickmen. In 2018, the distribution into the forwards was not an issue imo, Conlon and SOD were in top class form that year.

Slow down there Letowski! I think Cleary was suspeded for the first match in 2019, the was then not played in the second match and there were holes all over the place..When he was put in there, the holes were filled at centre back and we were way tighter. He is probably better suited to mid-field than full back.

The problem for Clare is we get skinned down the sides of the field. We don't have enough tightness down the sides and we get opened up. The real problem we have is not being able to win first primary ball in the air.. you can't build without that.. Waterford destroyed Kilkenny last year that way.

The problem we have is balance and quality.

letowski

PeggyShippen wrote: »

Cleary can't play centre back effectively. He ll give away tonnes of ball. He doesn't have the vision or skills. He's effective at fullback...with 2 good corners. Id play Galvin centre back even though hes small. Coleman is gone there for Cork and he's very effective. Galvin would have to be protected by two wing backs for puck outs but he's the best centre back ball player in Clare.

Personally I’m not a big fan of Colm Galvin to centre back, but I get the idea.

I’m not comfortable him standing beside the likes of Harnedy, Bonner, Chin or if Limerick wanted to put Kyle Hayes back to centre forward. The problem isn’t just the size or aerial ability that Galvin lacks, it’s also his ability in the tackle. The way teams look to get runners through midfield, it vital you have a centre back who can hit in the tackle and hold the centre. I think Galvin at 6 would be a similar situation to what we had with Seadna last year, a lightweight allowing team to run through us at will. So I don’t see him fixing the situation being honest.

Cleary no doubt didn’t play well in 2019 and the business end of 2018. But at least he give a presence there. I’m not too pushed about his stick work or distribution, we have players around him that he can pass to (Galvin, Ryan, Davy Mc). They are excellent stickmen. In 2018, the distribution into the forwards was not an issue imo, Conlon and SOD were in top class form that year.

PeggyShippen

letowski wrote: »

Yes Lohan needs to get that position established asap. I think the problem is manifesting itself moreso from not having a full back, as in we do have an experienced centre back in Cleary on the panel alright, but nobody to play full back.

I think its destabilising the whole team to be honest. I get why is moving players to knew positions to plug holes, but I think he is over doing things now. Like Cleary at full back is a natural centre back, Conlon is a forward, Cian Galvin is a back, Guilfoyle is a full forward, Reidy is better on the wing.. its hard for those players to find form and play cohesively when they are all playing out of position.

I think if Lohan could somehow find a full back, bring Cleary to centre back, Conlon in the half forward line and get Colm Galvin and Davy Mc in midfield, we'd have a much more stronger presence between the 40s. But I don't know who to put at full back to be honest. I know Cian Nolan plays there for SO'B, maybe they should try him.

Cleary can't play centre back effectively. He ll give away tonnes of ball. He doesn't have the vision or skills. He's effective at fullback...with 2 good corners. Id play Galvin centre back even though hes small. Coleman is gone there for Cork and he's very effective. Galvin would have to be protected by two wing backs for puck outs but he's the best centre back ball player in Clare.

Clareman

Antrim were very good yesterday and well worth their win, if anything they should have won by more.

dohboy

Must say, I thought Antrim played very well yesterday, took all their chances and made none of the mistakes that usually blight the performances of the so-called lesser counties. Clare weren't great tbf, but it's early days.

Clareman

letowski wrote: »

I agree with alot of that, although I don't think the robbing Peter to pay Paul situation with Davy at full back was 'paying Paul', in his final two seasons in '18 and '19 at the position. He had very bad outings against the likes of Gillane and Callinan in '19 and Patrick Horgan won the Munster final for Cork in '18. He was regressing significantly I think moving him back there again wouldn't bring value to the team or to his career.

Good point, he was badly exposed on a couple of occasions alright. We've 4 league games to get it sorted so hopefully we'll figure something out so hopefully we will.

letowski

Clareman wrote: »

Last year I think there was a case of putting his own slant on the team and not just copying what was done before, so David Mc was moved out from full, Cleary moved back but that hasn't worked though as it has unbalanced the whole team. I think David Mc is wasted at full back BUT we don't have a better option so I'd play him there with Cleary at 6.

Saying that, a lot of the changes happened as a result of the amount of goals we conceded in challenge matches between league and championship last year, 12 goals in 2 games I think, Lohan doesn't have confidence in his players not to let that happen again so he seems to be protecting against that, as a former full back you can understand that from his point of view.

I agree with alot of that, although I don't think the robbing Peter to pay Paul situation with Davy at full back was 'paying Paul', in his final two seasons in '18 and '19 at the position. He had very bad outings against the likes of Gillane and Callinan in '19 and Patrick Horgan won the Munster final for Cork in '18. He was regressing significantly I think moving him back there again wouldn't bring value to the team or to his career.

Clareman

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Why were Colm Galvin and David McInerney out?

Slight injuries I think, nothing major just strains

Clareman

letowski wrote: »

Yes Lohan needs to get that position established asap. I think the problem is manifesting itself moreso from not having a full back, as in we do have an experienced centre back in Cleary on the panel alright, but nobody to play full back.

I think its destabilising the whole team to be honest. I get why is moving players to knew positions to plug holes, but I think he is over doing things now. Like Cleary at full back is a natural centre back, Conlon is a forward, Cian Galvin is a back, Guilfoyle is a full forward, Reidy is better on the wing.. its hard for those players to find form and play cohesively when they are all playing out of position.

I think if Lohan could somehow find a full back, bring Cleary to centre back, Conlon in the half forward line and get Colm Galvin and Davy Mc in midfield, we'd have a much more stronger presence between the 40s. But I don't know who to put at full back to be honest. I know Cian Nolan plays there for SO'B, maybe they should try him.

Last year I think there was a case of putting his own slant on the team and not just copying what was done before, so David Mc was moved out from full, Cleary moved back but that hasn't worked though as it has unbalanced the whole team. I think David Mc is wasted at full back BUT we don't have a better option so I'd play him there with Cleary at 6.

Saying that, a lot of the changes happened as a result of the amount of goals we conceded in challenge matches between league and championship last year, 12 goals in 2 games I think, Lohan doesn't have confidence in his players not to let that happen again so he seems to be protecting against that, as a former full back you can understand that from his point of view.

[Deleted User]

Why were Colm Galvin and David McInerney out?

letowski

Clareman wrote: »

A major concern for me at this stage as well is the lack of a centre back, we played 3 different players there in 4 championship matches last year, hopefully Galvin can get a run there and bring some stability.

Yes Lohan needs to get that position established asap. I think the problem is manifesting itself moreso from not having a full back, as in we do have an experienced centre back in Cleary on the panel alright, but nobody to play full back.

I think its destabilising the whole team to be honest. I get why is moving players to knew positions to plug holes, but I think he is over doing things now. Like Cleary at full back is a natural centre back, Conlon is a forward, Cian Galvin is a back, Guilfoyle is a full forward, Reidy is better on the wing.. its hard for those players to find form and play cohesively when they are all playing out of position.

I think if Lohan could somehow find a full back, bring Cleary to centre back, Conlon in the half forward line and get Colm Galvin and Davy Mc in midfield, we'd have a much more stronger presence between the 40s. But I don't know who to put at full back to be honest. I know Cian Nolan plays there for SO'B, maybe they should try him.