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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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TheChizler

Isn't there already a public toilet in the market? Great they're doing something but we need more street accessible toilets that are open late.

[Deleted User]

TheChizler wrote: »

Isn't there already a public toilet in the market? Great they're doing something but we need more street accessible toilets that are open late.

There is but it's not the first thing you see at the entrance. It's the prime spot

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Why not utilise the toilets that they shut down on Grand Parade?

beer enigma

I see they have started knocking the Glenanaar Bar on Boreenmanna road for the car free apartment build

Kerry25x

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Why not utilise the toilets that they shut down on Grand Parade?

Maybe they could fix them up and have them better policed to prevent them becoming an unsafe area again. They're extremely unappealing though to be fair, even if the below photo was cleaned up I'd avoid ever using them.

https://ibb.co/Xpct4sJ

TheChizler

Kerry25x wrote: »

Maybe they could fix them up and have them better policed to prevent them becoming an unsafe area again. They're extremely unappealing though to be fair, even if the below photo was cleaned up I'd avoid ever using them.

https://ibb.co/Xpct4sJ

I've used them occasionally late and they were never that bad! The council does seem to eschew maintenance in recent years more than usual though. Spend capital on something, wait till it is unusable through lack of maintenance, and spend capital replacing it.

whisky_galore

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Why not utilise the toilets that they shut down on Grand Parade?

Yes but being cynical it wouldn't line buddie's and pal's pockets adequately enough.

whisky_galore

TheChizler wrote: »

Isn't there already a public toilet in the market? Great they're doing something but we need more street accessible toilets that are open late.

I found it to be developing world standard the one time I was forced by misfortune to use it.
Hope Queenie didn't need to spend a penny that time in it.

chalkitdown1

beer enigma wrote: »

I see they have started knocking the Glenanaar Bar on Boreenmanna road for the car free apartment build

My dentist's tiny little building right next to it still standing but for how long I wonder. They were fighting a legal battle to stay there at the corner last I spoke to him about it.

Douglas Eegit

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

My dentist's tiny little building right next to it still standing but for how long I wonder. They were fighting a legal battle to stay there at the corner last I spoke to him about it.

This sounds like the Falveys situation in Douglas Village SC.

Looking at the planning file for this development it looks to be two apartment blocks adjacent to Boreenmanna Road and Wallaces Avenue with the dentist taking the corner!

opus

Wouldn't be sorry to see this bleak Dunnes get redeveloped.

Plan to knock city Dunnes Stores and build new supermarket with cafe and outdoor seats

fonecrusher1

That's a listed building with significant historical importance.

:pac:

That "shopping center" has been mostly unoccupied for donkeys years. The clothes department must be closed 10 yrs ago at this stage at least. Its really just the Dunnes supermarket at the other end is still going.

The question is with Wilton shopping center only up the road, Aldi, Lidl nearby and Dunnes on Bandon road would it get enough footfall / business from the area?

Bassfish

Is there any update on the proposed development of Wilton Shopping Centre? I recall there were very grand plans and included a cinema. The Reel Picture group objected at the time, maybe ten years ago at this stage.

Justin Credible Darts

opus wrote: »

Wouldn't be sorry to see this bleak Dunnes get redeveloped.

Plan to knock city Dunnes Stores and build new supermarket with cafe and outdoor seats

My only surprise is they kept if going , despite apartments surrounding it, and the dunnes bishopstown court nearby being a better option

snotboogie

Bassfish wrote: »

Is there any update on the proposed development of Wilton Shopping Centre? I recall there were very grand plans and included a cinema. The Reel Picture group objected at the time, maybe ten years ago at this stage.

I think that was only 2017. It was a get planning and flip it, as soon as planning was granted the site went up for sale. Never heard anything again. All too familiar unfortunately.

the beer revolu

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

That's a listed building with significant historical importance.

:pac:

That "shopping center" has been mostly unoccupied for donkeys years. The clothes department must be closed 10 yrs ago at this stage at least. Its really just the Dunnes supermarket at the other end is still going.

The question is with Wilton shopping center only up the road, Aldi, Lidl nearby and Dunnes on Bandon road would it get enough footfall / business from the area?

I thought that place closed years ago.
I'm pretty sure I've never been inside the door.

Also, why the hell does Cork have 2 Bandon Roads?
There's the original one which is a continuation of Barrack Street and, now, the N71 is also called Bandon Road,according to Google maps.

Pretty stupid setup, really.

Reputable Rog

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

My only surprise is they kept if going , despite apartments surrounding it, and the dunnes bishopstown court nearby being a better option

Extremely popular with Bishopstown residents. I lived beside for it a few years and it was very handy.

SleetAndSnow

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Extremely popular with Bishopstown residents. I lived beside for it a few years and it was very handy.

A lot of elderly people too who prefer shopping in dunnes rather then lidl/Aldi, but the bigger dunnes is too big and too much selection. It's a nice, simple layout inside tbh. I'd be sad to see it go, we've went a lot of times during this Lockdown instead of the very busy Bandon Road one.

conjalu

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Extremely popular with Bishopstown residents. I lived beside for it a few years and it was very handy.

Last time i passed there was a queue of 10 people outside waiting to get in. this place would be extremely popular with the nearby residents as its more accessible than the other Dunnes in Bishopstown and Wilton.

The large vacant unit on the site was the old Dunnes drapery section which closed once the other Dunnes openned.

To be fair, it is a massive waste of space in the heart of Bishopstown with a massively oversized car park. THere is massive potential to make something out of the place while at the sametime retaining the supermarket.

Mav11

the beer revolu wrote: »

Also, why the hell does Cork have 2 Bandon Roads?
There's the original one which is a continuation of Barrack Street and, now, the N71 is also called Bandon Road,according to Google maps.

Pretty stupid setup, really.

Pretty simple really.

Barrack St. / Bandon Rd./ N71 was the original thoroughfare from the City to Bandon. Long predates Google maps and the development of Wilton / Bishopstown and the western suburbs, which severed the route .

Maybe they should have renamed it the Old Bandon Rd (like the Old Youghal Rd.) for the sake of Google Maps?

Treehelpplease

What I dont get is why Bandon road doesnt go all the way, it stops at that junction and splits to Magazine Rd and Glasheen Rd, which I cant see as being much newer. Old Bandon Rd would be good

Mav11

Treehelpplease wrote: »

What I dont get is why Bandon road doesnt go all the way, it stops at that junction and splits to Magazine Rd and Glasheen Rd, which I cant see as being much newer. Old Bandon Rd would be good

Magazine Rd was originally the Bandon Rd, renamed in 1775.

https://magazineroadresidents.com/?page_id=14#:~:text=Magazine%20Road%20itself%20was%20originally,near%20the%20North%20Gate%20Bridge.

bevan619

opus wrote: »

Wouldn't be sorry to see this bleak Dunnes get redeveloped.

Plan to knock city Dunnes Stores and build new supermarket with cafe and outdoor seats

Genuinely had no idea this existed. Always thought the new one was built in the place of an old one!

the beer revolu

Mav11 wrote: »

Pretty simple really.

Barrack St. / Bandon Rd./ N71 was the original thoroughfare from the City to Bandon. Long predates Google maps and the development of Wilton / Bishopstown and the western suburbs, which severed the route .

Maybe they should have renamed it the Old Bandon Rd (like the Old Youghal Rd.) for the sake of Google Maps?

A city having two roads with the same name is just stupid and shouldn't happen.

I am able to grasp why either of these roads might be called Bandon Road, what I fail to understand is why both of them are called this.

The newer road could be called West Cork Road, innashannon Road or whatever.

It's only in recent years I've heard the road by Dunnes being called Bandon Road.

Pandiculation

There are a few other examples of reuse of the same street name in Cork. The council should tidy it up.

Also while I’m on the topic of crazy stuff, the use of house names and no numbers in quite a few areas of this city is bonkers. How An Post ever allowed it to happen in fairly densely populated streets is beyond me. It’s also not snobbery where people replace numbers with house names, but you just have no numbering at all in some of the older parts of the city.

TheChizler

the beer revolu wrote: »

The newer road could be called West Cork Road, innashannon Road or whatever.

That's the thing, it's not a newer road.

Treehelpplease

Leaving the N71 as Bandon Road makes sense. This could be solved by just calling Bandon Road in Glasheen Bandon Street. I might just start to call it that myself.

TheChizler

Treehelpplease wrote: »

Leaving the N71 as Bandon Road makes sense. This could be solved by just calling Bandon Road in Glasheen Bandon Street. I might just start to call it that myself.

Is there a problem to solve though? I've never found it confusing, maybe people do initially. I think changing street names is much more confusing. Anglesea Street is up for a name change, bit of a populist move that noone was calling for IMO. Soon you'll have the Anglesea St Garda amd fire station but no Anglesea St.

[Deleted User]

opus wrote: »

Wouldn't be sorry to see this bleak Dunnes get redeveloped.

Plan to knock city Dunnes Stores and build new supermarket with cafe and outdoor seats

Bit of a pipe dream, but would have been great if that grim excuse for a retail experience could have been developed into a village centre/Square type thing for Bishopstown

Treehelpplease

TheChizler wrote: »

Is there a problem to solve though? I've never found it confusing, maybe people do initially. I think changing street names is much more confusing. Anglesea Street is up for a name change, bit of a populist move that noone was calling for IMO. Soon you'll have the Anglesea St Garda amd fire station but no Anglesea St.

In general, I don't think these things need to be changed. Especially Angelsea street, why name it after a quay of the same name next to it. Bandon road can be confusing but I guess if the n71 never develops to have much along it youre right that it is obvious what is what.