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Nvidia RTX Discussion

K.O.Kiki

A new era in 3D graphics stands before us.

First-gen Raytracing GPUs:

Nvidia "Turing" - Quadro RTX 5000 / 6000 / 8000 (US$ 2'300 / 6'300 / 10'000)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13214/nvidia-reveals-next-gen-turing-gpu-architecture
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13217/nvidia-announces-turing-powered-quadro-rtx-family

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Squidgy Black

EoinHef wrote: »

Wonder what that would do to the second hand value of those cards that don't have the limiter

Like the 5700XT, they'll maintain their current outrageous price, if not get a slight bump up again.

Meesared

Ive got a 5700 XT and honestly cant believe the prices theyre going for

Mr Crispy

GN calling out both Nvidia and AMD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_m2i5hU9jM

harmless

Meesared wrote: »

Ive got a 5700 XT and honestly cant believe the prices theyre going for

Solid card.

Even with the crazy price you could make it all back in a few months of mining while you are not gaming.
Many don't see that the large mining profits will most likely be coming to an end soon(July)

Or maybe people are really that desperate but there hasn't been that many new game released so far this year that really justifies paying so much for an upgrade.

ShadowHearth

I don't have a link, but I read article that State of New York is planning to Ban crypto mining for 3 years as it asses the environmental ( a ton of wasted electricity).

Could be good news if others go down the road and make it less attractive "investment".

Rattlehead_ie

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I don't have a link, but I read article that State of New York is planning to Ban crypto mining for 3 years as it asses the environmental ( a ton of wasted electricity).

Could be good n
ews if others go down the road and make it less attractive "investment".

Couple of article about it alright
New York Bill

Brian

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Anyway, also keeping an eye out for the "supposedly close to launch" A4000 and A5000, which could solve my need (more than 8GB of VRAM and CUDA cores) neatly (ALL the Quadro cards are still pretty much MSRP).

Where would you be looking to buy those, direct from Nvidia or from a retailer? An A4000 with 16 GB would be handy.

This generation of Quadro cards is being labelled as "RTX A4000" so I expect they'll be bought by miners in the same fashion.

H3llR4iser

Brian wrote: »

Where would you be looking to buy those, direct from Nvidia or from a retailer? An A4000 with 16 GB would be handy.

This generation of Quadro cards is being labelled as "RTX A4000" so I expect they'll be bought by miners in the same fashion.

I've seen them announced on the NVidia site, but for now I've only seen the A6000 out in the wild, at...Quadro prices, let's say (whereabouts of 6000 USD).

There are few manufacturers, historically, for these as they usually are "bundled" into pre-built workstations (hence, you'd often find second-hand Quadro cards marked DELL, HP, Lenovo etc. that were "pulls" from faulty workstations), but PNY seems to be one of the few that actively builds and markets professional cards - those can be found on Amazon and other retail stores.

I don't think the A4000/A5000/A6000 will be scooped up by miners - the basic reason being that price/hashrate ratio on nVidia professional cards tends to be horrendous. Right now, the Turing-based Quadro RTX4000 (pretty much an RTX 2070) is widely available AND at MSRP - around 950-1000 Euro.

Quadros and most likely the upcoming RTX AXXXX are set up with extremely conservative clock speeds, especially when it comes to the memory - stability is their main selling point; That's also why while capable, Quadro-series cards tend to be much slower with games than the GeForce counterparts.
Stuff like rendering and AI calculations, especially these leveraging CUDA libraries and cores, tend to be much less sensitive to vRam speed as opposed to core speeds, as well as having much less tolerance for minor instabilities compared, for example, to games.

To give a personal example, at some point I found both my 2070 Super and 1070 crashing out of renders in Blender. The thing drove me insane for weeks - and looking over the Internet, plenty of people were having the same issue with nobody offering a solution. Until I found out what the problem was - I switched them out of "Gaming mode" and into "Standard" from the Gigabyte utility, and BAM - perfect stability during renders.

Both cards could run for hours and hours in games, under 3D Mark or Heaven benchmark with zero issue - but as soon as heavy usage of CUDA was called upon, they'd just cr@p out.

Meesared

Anyone know if the nvidia website ships here?

K.O.Kiki

Meesared wrote: »

Anyone know if the nvidia website ships here?

They don't anymore, as they've handed Nvidia UK work to SCAN who no longer serve the EU..

dudeeile

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

They don't anymore, as they've handed Nvidia UK work to SCAN who no longer serve the EU..

Yeah I contacted both Scan and Nvidia regarding this, neither gave a ****e, scan did however say they were working on it.

Brian

PNY's RTX A4000 is available to preorder from Scan ... https://www.scan.co.uk/products/pny-nvidia-a4000-16gb-gddr6-w-ecc-6144-cuda-192-tensor-192-tflops-sp-374-tflops-rt-1534-tflops-tenso

H3llR4iser

Brian wrote: »

PNY's RTX A4000 is available to preorder from Scan ... https://www.scan.co.uk/products/pny-nvidia-a4000-16gb-gddr6-w-ecc-6144-cuda-192-tensor-192-tflops-sp-374-tflops-rt-1534-tflops-tenso

Didn't we say that Scan doesn't deliver outside of the UK anymore? I'm getting quite confused

Vicxas

Scan wont register for VAT here so they wont ship here seemingly

Brian

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Didn't we say that Scan doesn't deliver outside of the UK anymore? I'm getting quite confused

Sorry, I just hadn't seen it available anywhere else so figured it was a useful data point.

Meesared

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

They don't anymore, as they've handed Nvidia UK work to SCAN who no longer serve the EU..

Man that sucks, what about the German Nvidia site?

K.O.Kiki

Meesared wrote: »

Man that sucks, what about the German Nvidia site?

No idea, but I doubt they ship outside Germany/Austria.

harmless

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

No idea, but I doubt they ship outside Germany/Austria.

I doubt it, I tried to buy founders edition cards from the site Nvidia sells through in both Germany and France back in December and they had no shipping option for Ireland.

Confused11811

Notebooksbilliger.de & Equippr.de are the Nvidia partners in Germany, apparently they won't ship outside of Germany and Austria and don't allow the use of mail forwarding services such as mailboxde. Even with the extremely slim chance you actually managed to order one from them they apparently will cancel the order once a mail forwarding service is detected.

Notebooksbilliger.de drops once a month and it's websites API is so poor that some of the more advance bots can find the direct purchase links of the cards before they are viewable to the general public and grab them before normal even has a chance to buy one.

In the short to medium term Scan really need to do a OCUK for Irish customers , drop the UK vat on sales to Ireland and let the delivery companies collect the Irish VAT and charge their handling fee. Long term you'd have to hope they can address the VAT issues inhouse.

Meesared

Its such a pain now getting a graphics card over here

Brian

Confused11811 wrote: »

In the short to medium term Scan really need to do a OCUK for Irish customers , drop the UK vat on sales to Ireland and let the delivery companies collect the Irish VAT and charge their handling fee. Long term you'd have to hope they can address the VAT issues inhouse.

They already have the mechanism in place to drop the UK VAT, as I made a business order from Scan pre-Brexit and did exactly that (EU intra-community purchase)

However, unlike a lot of websites which remove VAT at checkout when supplied with a valid EU VAT number, it was only possible to do this by calling them up and ordering through a sales rep. So I guess their ordering system is not so sophisticated.

harmless

With such high demand for hardware in the UK right now they may not see any value in taking many orders from Ireland. They probably have higher priorities.
Perhaps when some sort of normality returns to the market they may implement a system to deal with VAT to Ireland.

Revoker88

harmless wrote: »

With such high demand for hardware in the UK right now they may not see any value in taking many orders from Ireland. They probably have higher priorities.
Perhaps when some sort of normality returns to the market they may implement a system to deal with VAT to Ireland.

This is what I was thinking aswell. If most of you major products are selling out why bother with the admin cost of dealing with irish purchases.

Homelander

Not sure if this might help someone out.

CEX have a Titan V for €1k, and they offer a two year warranty. With the current state of the market that's not awful.

I think it's similar mining rate to the RTX3080. Gaming wise I think around maybe RTX3070 level? It was a good chunk faster than 1080Ti anyway on release.

https://ie.webuy.com/product-detail?id=sgranvigtxtitv12gb&categoryName=graphics-cards-pci-e&superCatName=computing&title=nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-v-12gb

Homelander

Also they have 2 2080Ti's in stock for €950.

Better to buy from CEX and have the warranty then from on Adverts in my opinion, if you're going to shell out.

https://ie.webuy.com/product-detail?id=sgranvirtx2080ti11ga&categoryName=graphics-cards-pci-e&superCatName=computing&title=nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-11gb-gddr6

Confused11811

Just a heads up

When buying a Graphic Card from CEX be careful to inspect it upon receipt. During lockdown I bought a Radeon RX Vega 64 8gb from them, the warranty seal on one of the backplate screws was broken and it obviously had been opened at some point. I immediately took photos of the seal on being broken and emailed them asking if they would take note and if they would still honour the warranty. I know that they won't accept or sell consoles that have had warranty seals broken and if a console is returned with a broken warranty seal they won't accept it as a return.

As it turned out the card was not working 100% so emailed them again I returned it a the following day. They accepted the return this time but who knows what would have happened if I didn't take note of the broken seal.

Other than the pointing out the above I'd personally have no problem using CEX, I trade into them a lot and usually get vouchers and buy from them. The 2 year warranty is good to have

Robert ninja

To add to that I'd like to point out that I brought in my 100% dead GTX 660 Ti to CEX and explicitly informed them it was broken but wondered if they'd take it just for recycling which I was sure they had connections to. To my shock they offered to buy it so I opted for a voucher worth around €40 at the time. Before I left I told them again it literally doesn't work in anything but the staff didn't seem to give a shyte and told me that it looks in perfect condition (I did keep it stored correctly) and that they take them like that... didn't run any tests on it. I can only hope they didn't try to sell it to some poor chap but after the point of sale it's no longer my problem.

Homelander

Yeah I've had some extremely negative experiences with CEX as well but at least if something's DOA you can just return it. Especially now that stuff is re-opening, if you buy online you can return to your local store. There is one a 20 minute drive from me so not so bad.

I bought a Vega 64 from them the other day and it appears to work perfect.

Confused11811

Yeah some staff can be bad, they have highstaff turn over. Consoles and phones are easy enough to test and they have check lists to follow. Component like cpu's, ram, graphic cards and drives are often just visual and and a bare functional test see if the item is seen in the device manager, unless it's a tester than knows their stuff and has time to do a full test. One shop near me took in a load of ddr3 sodium ram (I mean a load) and incorrectly labelled them on their system as desktop ddr3. The person trading in got about 2 times the value of the ram and the shop lost out big time. So give everything a good visual inspection and fully test it.

I've been a little put off by there scalping practice on console PS5's and Xbox series, I'm surprised they've not done similar for graphic card.

BloodBath

Confused11811 wrote: »

Just a heads up

When buying a Graphic Card from CEX be careful to inspect it upon receipt. During lockdown I bought a Radeon RX Vega 64 8gb from them, the warranty seal on one of the backplate screws was broken and it obviously had been opened at some point. I immediately took photos of the seal on being broken and emailed them asking if they would take note and if they would still honour the warranty. I know that they won't accept or sell consoles that have had warranty seals broken and if a console is returned with a broken warranty seal they won't accept it as a return.

As it turned out the card was not working 100% so emailed them again I returned it a the following day. They accepted the return this time but who knows what would have happened if I didn't take note of the broken seal.

Other than the pointing out the above I'd personally have no problem using CEX, I trade into them a lot and usually get vouchers and buy from them. The 2 year warranty is good to have

Those warranty seals on screws are not even legal in Europe if you break them so I wouldn't worry about it.

I have a friend who worked in CEX. They don't even test some of the pc parts.