Deleted User wrote: » Internet gossip is a terrible thing, but I must admit to enjoying the gossip emerging about some of the national Leadership of the party, apart from the but about ‘the boys’ calling around to someone’s home to have a word.
A young Fine Gael candidate dropped his campaign for a council seat after being confronted on a Dublin beach by Jennifer Carroll MacNeill about a derogatory social media post he made about a previous TD.
The Truth Hurts wrote: » Its already ended. Shes not going to be running for SF in the next election. Her family can cry all they want, wont change the fact that she wont be running in the elections for SF.
blanch152 wrote: » At what point would an average wage for a single person been able to buy a three bedroom mid-terrace with some sort of garden in Dublin? Perhaps an ex-council house? The reality is that Dublin is now a modern capital city with and just like every other similar capital city, living close to central Dublin just isn't possible on the average wage. It has probably been made worse by the antics of An Taisce and others who have prevented high-density housing within the canals for the last 40 years. Still going on today with the stupid objections to the development in St. Anne's Park.
Fionn1952 wrote: » They also include a false inflating effect of a small number of very very high salaries, and as earning tends to increase as you get older, it's not much use telling a group of ten 25 year olds on €30k that because a 55 year old is on €250k, the average in that group of 11 is €50k, so they can on average get a mortgage of €175k. Median salaries are much more reflective of what the typical person in society actually has (the median FULL TIME salary in Ireland is around €35,000), and the typical younger person is below the median (as we know earnings generally increase as you get older). Pointing to what someone on the industrial average salary can afford and sneering about take away coffee to a group that largely earn less than that is precisely the problem, Blanch. A quote from Aidan Regan over at UCD puts it better than I can: “If there are 40 people in the bar and a billionaire walks in, everyone on average becomes a millionaire" Perhaps planning something for that group with the mindset that everyone is a millionaire might leave those who aren't somewhat disillusioned? Even an average wage leaves a pokey one bed apartment within buying range when previously it would've got someone a three bedroom mid-terrace with some sort of garden. Dismissing people's concerns around this as wanting a four bed semi with a large garden in a nice area....well that's right in the, 'they can't afford it because they're spending twenty quid a week on coffee' level of nonsense.
blanch152 wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/average-full-time-salary-in-republic-nearly-49-000-1.4289348 The averages quoted elsewhere include part-time employees and count second jobs separately, thus pushing down the average wage considerably. The average full-time salary in Ireland is now 50k. That allows for a mortgage of €175k. With a deposit of 25k, that puts properties of 200k in reach. You can even live in the centre of Dublin:https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/22-st-james-street-south-city-centre-d8-dublin-8/4485778 Now, I know that won't buy a four-bed semi with a garden big enough for a trampoline only 15 minutes commute from Dublin city centre, but such a place was never available for anyone on an average salary. The average house price in Cork is €235k.https://www.independent.ie/regionals/corkman/news/average-house-prices-in-county-cork-increase-by-83-in-2020-39893202.html Well within the reach of a couple on average salaries.
blanch152 wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/average-full-time-salary-in-republic-nearly-49-000-1.4289348 The averages quoted elsewhere include part-time employees and count second jobs separately, thus pushing down the average wage considerably.
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » People don't want social housing though. Because it means building segregated council estates and more Ballymun flat complexes to actually accomplish that. I wonder which party would be first in line to criticize that if the Government announced that they were going to do that. I would love to know the actual details of SF plans to use public lands so to solve this problem. As far as I can tell, the only plan amounts to those four words.
Fionn1952 wrote: » Oh my, let's pillory the young folk because one poster on boards is spending €3 a day on a take away coffee. Let's say they're spending €3 a day every day and €1000 on each of their holidays. We agree that's ~€3k p/a they could definitely save. Now let's say they take your wonderful advice, make do with the coffee in their office and don't go for so much as a weekend away from one year to the next, how does that fix the fact that the vast majority of these young people don't have the income required for mortgage approval even with dual incomes, yet are trapped spending more than the mortgage repayment would be on rent? It is very easy to dismiss the issue being experienced by a whole lot of young people out there by picking on one example of someone spending slightly irresponsibly (buying a coffee is hardly crime of the century), but deflecting to that and ignoring the affordability of an average house versus the average wage to try and paint the younger generation as self entitled and not willing to pull themselves up by their bootstraps (like I'm sure you did) completely misses the point. Maybe those folk would be willing to forego a takeaway coffee if it was feasible that they could afford to buy? Maybe the person you gave as an example isn't as representative of the average young person as you imply? Either way, it's the sort of smug attitude that pushes people towards SF; an awful lot out there who I'd imagine are thinking, "well SF might be full of sh*t, but things definitely won't change while voting for the status quo". FF and FG would be better served offering their own solution to the problem that enough young people are experiencing to vote en mass for SF despite all their baggage rather than demeaning that experience, taking digs at SF and continuing to be perceived as offering nothing to them. Clearly the current tack isn't resonating very well with the huge cohort experiencing this problem. SF's fantasy economics sure as hell aren't the answer, but at least let's try and offer an alternative other than, 'Suck it up, buttercup. You can't have a holiday because you should be saving for something you won't be able to afford anyway, while paying me enough rent to fund my retirement'.
Fionn1952 wrote: Oh my, let's pillory the young folk because one poster on boards is spending €3 a day on a take away coffee.
blanch152 wrote: » There was a poster on here a while back complaining that they couldn't save to get a deposit, yet admitted to take-away coffees every day and at least two holidays a year. Apparently the stresses of modern life demanded it.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » If the government built more social housing, people like her wouldn't be at the mercy of the market.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Always gives me a laugh when people talk about a decline in quality of life. Did they ever listen to their parents and grand parents how things were years ago to now? We have it so much easier and better. Most pampered to people in this country nowadays wouldn't last a day to what are parents and grand parents had to go through to survive in this country. My parents didn't have a couch and lived off beans for the first years after saving and working every hour under the sun to get a box house. Nowadays people expect a fully furnished house before they move in supplied by the council for 50 euro a week. The sheer arrogance and entitlement is astounding.
nigeldaniel wrote: » I sometimes wonder why some people's command of economics is so wobbly. People can not expect to rent a house in a well-to-do area on the cheap or indeed a city located on the cheap. I think some ultra-left ideologies are responsible for putting daft notions into their heads. If you wish for a nice comfy life it is going to cost and if you are willing to live a little bit cheaper you will have to compromise. The maths is pure and simple. If you live your life expecting to get everything free/on the cheap, you most likely will never find content and in its place will be angry.
Bishop of hope wrote: » All making more or less the same point. I see you read my last post and quoted it, did the waffle bit hit a nerve. An aggressive response anyway. Which is worse a waffler or a tory?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Where did I quote anyone here?https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117109579&postcount=5626 That ^ was made in reference to several posts earlier.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Maybe because you quoted it in your reply?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Why did you arrogantly assume I was addressing your post? Weird.
Bishop of hope wrote: » But that's not a point really, or an argument of what I said. Votes, does that make a difference to how the economy works? Will the shinners stifle the economy to bring housing prices down? What will they do that's different to make house prices cheaper? Tory calling or sayings blurted out makes no difference to the point I made. As regards that, your reply was waffle, as Bertie said, you've been waffling round here for years, you're a waffler.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Why the offence at the word 'Tory' then and why call it a 'slur'? I took it out of the sentence and still made the same point. Carry on with the 'you never had it so good' mantra's, that will be sure to gain votes.
Bishop of hope wrote: » No guilt here, just wondering what your point was really? If I'm classed as tory or whatever so be it, it's just the classic shinner response when there's no rebuttal. Ah shur you must be a tory.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Or it is simply somebody feeling guilt and being triggered by the word 'Tory'. I will make the 'point' again without the word: The use of the US Democrats 'You Never Had It So Good', mantra should really work. Oodles of votes for the power swap in making people realise that.
Marine Layer wrote: » Its just being finegaelist,fiannafailist and vradakarist and trying to be insulting again to the girlfriend half of the population they know they'll never get. When in doubt or all else fails,name call or sneer It's a branch of bullying Backfires though because,it shows tunnel vision and vacancy of mind Easily countered & countered by being ignored
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