Mellor wrote: »

My statement was on private sales, that was clearly. So either you didn’t understand, or you purposely misconstrued it. Neither reflects well on it.

Too bad you have a problem with English and getting called on sweeping statements...

This is sheer nonsense.
I said nothing about registration. Or creating database. Or creating an inventory with existing housing stock. This is all fantasy.

The fantasy is you thinking this is possible with your applying European logic on a problem that is in a different culture to yours.

Sales at a dealership include a background check. That’s doesn’t infringe anyones rights.
Some states do require background checks. Those check doesn’t involve SWAT knocking down anyone’s door. Pretending it’s required is beyond childish.

Well, the first point has been argued that is actually does. As you might have missed the point at the end of the 2amendment .SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?
Maybe go and read it and put it in the context of US constitutional law?

2nd point is well you are either in denial and can't answer the question of HOW you would implement this in real life in the USA? The simple answer it CANT.BE .DONE now if you think it can go away and tell the states,the Feds and the people who are much better qualified than both of us in US constitutional law that specialize in this part of the constitution how to do this as they are obviously totally and utterly wrong and have been missing your brilliant solution. IF it could be done,you would need constitutional change and you only need 33 states to ratify a change to the constitution...Easy peasy.

Claiming that private sales are not a pathway for people who should hold firearms to obtain them is either complete delusion, or blatant lying

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Says the man who has been doing all two of his above accusations...Typical...:D When you untwist my words I said it is not a major problem of how criminals acquire guns in the US. Even, should you care to read the previously posted article even the ATF agent interviewed said so himself? Their problem is dodgy gun dealers selling the criminals guns either stolen or straw purchased out of state That is the pertinent point out of the article.

Rows Grower wrote: »

The Israel's seem to have things under control over there with their gun laws, perhaps the USA might learn a thing or two from them if they are serious about preventing mass shootings.

There's also a link in this article where Donald Trump says he would have ran in and faced a mass shooter unarmed, I never knew he was so brave.

https://www.thewrap.com/carried-gun-israel-heres-learned-gun-control/

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Oh stop the LIGHTS!!!:eek::eek::rolleyes:
Comparing a country that is on a war footing, since its foundation in 1948 and hasn't ever known a day of peace since then.

Is highly militarised with over 90% of its population either underarms or in the military reserve and has a Socialist Kibbutzum as a form of Govt? With a population of 9.5 million? Its an army with a country,not a country with an army.IOW guns are there aplenty,and if you need one the govt will hand you one no bother.

So how this can even be a logical comparison with a country that's over 200 years old,has a constitutional republic as a form of Govt, over 20 times the pouplation, and a constitutional right to bear arms is beyond me.

They actually allow concealed carry in Israel and encourage their people to apply and get their concealed carry permits, have armed teachers in their schools, hence they have had ZERO school shootings since sometime in the early 80s,and their parents and communities actually also provide undercover armed protection every school day on a rotary basis.

So on that point, you are 100% right !!! The US certainly could learn about that from Israel by providing armed teachers and outside parental guardians

There's also a link in this article where Donald Trump says he would have ran in and faced a mass shooter unarmed, I never knew he was so brave.

Commenting on the Parkland High school shooting in Florida where an armed police officer sat outside for 20 mins and did nothing while the shooter was on the rampage.

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Ah yes, because Israel hasn't had a mass shooting in the last 20 years. It's almost as if terrorists or criminals don't follow laws.



Seriously, what's your obsession with Trump? Every second post from you is about him. Trump derangement syndrome anyone?

Where are you getting your “facts” from?

Check back through my posts and see how many are about Donald Trump, maybe you have an obsession with him but I certainly don’t.

I just mentioned I thought he was very brave to say that he would of faced that mass shooter unarmed.

I might mention him again sometime if I feel like it so either brace yourself or put me on ignore if you are going to feel upset about it.

Just admit it Rows...You REALLY ARE an admirer and love the guy to bits and support him 100%,but you just can't come out of the closet and admit it yet. Thats ok! We understand...:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

It wasn't a fact, it was sarcasm.



If you're not obsessed with him, then why is your quote from him? I swear, every time I see you post here, half the time it's about Trump. So I ask you again, why do you keep mentioning him?

I do enjoy Trump myself. It is pure comedy genius. Better than Larry David in curb your enthusiasm or Ricky Gervais in the office.

My personal favourite was the light inside people and bleach in people to cure them. I still get a giggle from it.

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

It wasn't a fact, it was sarcasm.



If you're not obsessed with him, then why is your quote from him? I swear, every time I see you post here, half the time it's about Trump. So I ask you again, why do you keep mentioning him?

I've told you already but I'm afraid you are forming a mental concept or image of something that is not there.

Richard308 wrote: »

I do enjoy Trump myself. It is pure comedy genius. Better than Larry David in curb your enthusiasm or Ricky Gervais in the office.

My personal favourite was the light inside people and bleach in people to cure them. I still get a giggle from it.

Oh of course, and that's fair enough. I'm not saying that you shouldn't make jokes about him, be my guest. My only problem is certain individuals making posts about every little detail about someone.

Rows Grower wrote: »

The Israel's seem to have things under control over there with their gun laws, perhaps the USA might learn a thing or two from them if they are serious about preventing mass shootings.

There's also a link in this article where Donald Trump says he would have ran in and faced a mass shooter unarmed, I never knew he was so brave.

https://www.thewrap.com/carried-gun-israel-heres-learned-gun-control/

Israel has many many problems. They behave with impunity, commit war crimes, grab land and evict legal owners.

Richard308 wrote: »

Israel has many many problems. They behave with impunity, commit war crimes, grab land and evict legal owners.

It's like comparing them to Nazi Germany with their anti smoking campaigns.

Richard308 wrote: »

Could you elaborate on that please? I just said Israel has its own issues. Terrible what nazi Germany did to the Jewish people. But what’s that to do with anything I’ve mentioned.

What I meant was comparing one aspect of a country (Israel) to another country (America) can be deeply flawed. Israel has many problems, problems much bigger than mass shootings so comparing this aspect of Israeli society to American society is flawed. It would be like comparing Nazi Germany and it's anti smoking campaigns to America or any other country with smoking problems. I hope that makes sense now, I probably should have elaborated more in my initial post.

Richard308 wrote: »

I do enjoy Trump myself. It is pure comedy genius. Better than Larry David in curb your enthusiasm or Ricky Gervais in the office.

My personal favourite was the light inside people and bleach in people to cure them. I still get a giggle from it.

The joke is that it was Biden that suggested it in a snarky comment at a political rally in his home town of Scranton Penn state.:D

https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Indeed. Think it should be mandatory for any prospective US candidate running for the office of president to have served a term or two in the US armed forces. After all, how can you be a commander in chief,if you have never spent one day in basic?
Would make them think twice about sending some other mothers' son and daughter into a war or harm's way, and maybe some might even learn how to salute properly as a basic courtesy to their serving men and women.

In fairness to Trump, he wasn't a war monger. Getting involved with squabbles in third world toilets isn't any good for your own country.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Indeed. Think it should be mandatory for any prospective US candidate running for the office of president to have served a term or two in the US armed forces. After all, how can you be a commander in chief,if you have never spent one day in basic?
Would make them think twice about sending some other mothers' son and daughter into a war or harm's way, and maybe some might even learn how to salute properly as a basic courtesy to their serving men and women.

I've never got the notion of "service". In the US for example it's not like someone is kicking in the nations door and folks are rallying to the flag, it may be a calling to some but that's their calling. It doesn't mean anyone else needs to "get behind the troops. For a lot of others it's a job.
Is it jingoistic notions like our own tit Pearse with his ideals such as; "The old heart of the earth needed to be warmed with the red wine of the battlefields.". Feck me, not the sort of CO I'd want. Or is it the idea that; "Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier" Or is it a hangover from a time when a warrior protected his people?

Richard308 wrote: »

Yeah, seems like nothing but dodgers over there at the minute. John McCain now there was a noble man. And trump savaged him. “I like my heroes not to be captured”. John McCain gave up the chance of leaving the pow camp so another pow could go free. That’s what all politicians are lacking.

These are the kind of quotes that one would never expect to hear from any kind of person, I'd even nearly say the lads that captured him would consider that to be an infantile insult.

Trump used come out with so much mad stuff.

It's only now that the fear of what is he going to come out with next is gone that they can be seen in a humorous light, they certainly weren't funny at the time.

I'd say he misses the ol' twitter.

I dunno, it's a funny one. Personally I would give a nod/doff my cap to a man that has "seen the elephant". And those that a nation conscripted/drafted, a nation owes them respect but outside that, well you decided to soldier for a crust, that's on you.

Edit - Grizzly45, I was picking up on an element of your post, no dig/retort to anything you were saying meant.