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Covid-19; Impact on the aviation industry

d51984

The current Coronavirus epidemic seems to be getting worse by the day, just wondering what complications if any may happen in the not to distant future.

Can we start taking peoples temperatures on arrival in to the country? Open up isolation centers in major cities? Will Aer Lingus and Ryanair start suspending flights, mainly to Italy so far?

This thing is going to get worse,and now its not a question of weather it arrives in Ireland but a matter of how long until it arrives.

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goingnowhere

UK is happening as a recognition of the border, it is impossible to restrict travel, the UK rates are low and heading down. UK has MHQ so we are in a similar place, so basically the same as AU/NZ have done.

I would expect by July 1st we will have unrestricted travel to/from the UK, no paperwork, no tests. Thats going to be a major restart in air travel given Dublin London was the busiest international air route in the world.

I can see an insistence for PCR tests being continued for some time and a tactic to restrict and otherwise brainwash people not to travel until we hit September, i.e. schools open to restrict the number who could travel.

Aer Lingus could do well the follow Ryanair and load up on flights out of Belfast

HTCOne

The Taoiseach on Sunday said on RTE news after receiving his first dose of the vaccine that he expected the resumption of non-essential travel between Ireland and the EU some time between late June and early August, as we are signing up for the EU traffic light system.

The Tanaiste said yesterday that he expected resumption of non-essential travel between Ireland and Britain this summer but not to the EU or US until 2022.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/travel-restrictions-between-ireland-and-britain-should-be-lifted-during-summer-varadkar-40414555.html

Which makes me think once again that our industry is an afterthought and they have no plan whatsoever to rebuild it seeing as they completely contradicted each other in less than 24 hours.

Van.Bosch

Tenger wrote: »

CTA still allows us to enter the UK and vice versa

PCR needed on way back though.

Tenger

WishUWereHere wrote: »

Am I being presumptuous but can't we still freely enter the UK?

CTA still allows us to enter the UK and vice versa

TeaPot918

Over on the main Covid forum they are mentioning that the fine for non essential travel lapses tomorrow. On April 30th it had been extended 6 days from 4th to 10th of May, but no further updates.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

WishUWereHere

Noxegon wrote: »

In today's news, the UK's "Green List" has been revealed:

Portugal
Israel
Singapore
Australia
New Zealand
Brunei
Iceland
Gibraltar
Falkland Islands
Faroe Islands
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
St Helena, Tristan de Cunha, Ascension Island

Of those:

- Singapore, Australia, and New Zealand are closed to all but citizens.
- Faroe Islands have no flights that don't go via Denmark
- St Helena, Tristan da Cunha, and Ascension Island are next to impossible to get to.
- Falkland Islands are not much better.

Am I being presumptuous but can't we still freely enter the UK?

Noxegon

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Two posts and no-one has made the obvious joke about how the British can go to the Falklands without any problem at all?

There’s a twice weekly flight from Brize Norton that’s open to civilians.

billy few mates

vandriver wrote: »

The Passport Card will match the expiry date of your Passport Book, if you have less than 5 years validity remaining.

I think you're wasting your time.

I didn't realise that.
They're hardly going to charge me to renew it if they're only going to give it a few months..?

Chris_5339762

Two posts and no-one has made the obvious joke about how the British can go to the Falklands without any problem at all?

Noxegon

Inquitus wrote: »

So Portugal, Brunei, Iceland and Israel. I guess that means UK folk can plan on some sun in Portugal or Israel then? or are there any rules at the other end that prevent them? and is full vaccination a requirement, or just negative PCRs? and in the case of negative PCRs are there any quarantine requirements at either/or/both ends?

Gibraltar's realistic too – direct flights from the UK – but it's not a large place and it won't take much to fill all available hotel rooms.

Inquitus

Noxegon wrote: »

In today's news, the UK's "Green List" has been revealed:

Portugal
Israel
Singapore
Australia
New Zealand
Brunei
Iceland
Gibraltar
Falkland Islands
Faroe Islands
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
St Helena, Tristan de Cunha, Ascension Island

Of those:

- Singapore, Australia, and New Zealand are closed to all but citizens.
- Faroe Islands have no flights that don't go via Denmark
- St Helena, Tristan da Cunha, and Ascension Island are next to impossible to get to.
- Falkland Islands are not much better.

So Portugal, Brunei, Iceland and Israel. I guess that means UK folk can plan on some sun in Portugal or Israel then? or are there any rules at the other end that prevent them? and is full vaccination a requirement, or just negative PCRs? and in the case of negative PCRs are there any quarantine requirements at either/or/both ends?

Noxegon

In today's news, the UK's "Green List" has been revealed:

Portugal
Israel
Singapore
Australia
New Zealand
Brunei
Iceland
Gibraltar
Falkland Islands
Faroe Islands
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
St Helena, Tristan de Cunha, Ascension Island

Of those:

- Singapore, Australia, and New Zealand are closed to all but citizens.
- Faroe Islands have no flights that don't go via Denmark
- St Helena, Tristan da Cunha, and Ascension Island are next to impossible to get to.
- Falkland Islands are not much better.

Chris_5339762

Marno over in the Cork Airport thread in the Cork forum posted the following, figured a teeny bit of good news can't hurt.

marno21 wrote: »

EI are up to 6pw on the London LHR route now

Long way to go to the 28pw of summers of old or the 33pw (I think) of summer 2018 but it’s a start.

IngazZagni

billy few mates wrote: »

That expires in the next couple of months, I want to wait until I get the passport card back before I send that one off for renewal.

You don't need to send your passport in if it has less than 6 months on it. You can keep it.

Back to the topic, I see Boris will announce the green list at 5pm today. This will be for England I believe but it's likely that NI will have similar rules.

vandriver

billy few mates wrote: »

That expires in the next couple of months, I want to wait until I get the passport card back before I send that one off for renewal.

The Passport Card will match the expiry date of your Passport Book, if you have less than 5 years validity remaining.

I think you're wasting your time.

billy few mates

vandriver wrote: »

Not that urgent though,as you still have the paper passport?

That expires in the next couple of months, I want to wait until I get the passport card back before I send that one off for renewal.

Phil.x

Pulled in to watch a couple of takeoffs and landings at Dublin airport with the kids, poor poor show, 3 planes in 45mins. Dam you covid.

vandriver

billy few mates wrote: »

They have my passport card renewal for two months now...

Not that urgent though,as you still have the paper passport?

billy few mates

vandriver wrote: »

Ordered a renewal passport on Saturday lunchtime,it arrived this morning.

They have my passport card renewal for two months now...

vandriver

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The passport office has been added to the list of essential services. It won't be closed any longer.

Ordered a renewal passport on Saturday lunchtime,it arrived this morning.

0lddog

If the above stuff is really of interest to any of you hpra.ie might be a better starting point than hse.ie.

Perhaps start at the page https://www.hpra.ie/homepage/medicines/covid-19-updates/covid-19-vaccines-product-information ?

Cookiemunster

Noxegon wrote: »

Straight from the HSE:

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/astrazeneca/

That's current NIAC/HSEadvice. It can be changed and lowered to 4 weeks if they so wish. It was initially trialled on a 4 week basis.

Noxegon

bk wrote: »

Secondly there is nothing to say that AstraZeneca has to be 12 weeks, in can be given after just 4 weeks, in fact that is mostly what they trialled.

Straight from the HSE:

"You will need 2 doses of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.
You should get your 2nd dose at least 12 weeks after your 1st dose.
Some people will need to wait 16 weeks before their 2nd dose."

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/astrazeneca/

Noxegon wrote: »

Based on what's being reported today it's beginning to look like those under the age of 50 are looking at Q3 for their first dose. If it's AstraZeneca, then they're looking at Q4 before they're fully vaccinated. These people will have little choice but to holiday in Ireland.

Noxegon wrote: »

I admire your optimism – but I'd point out anyone receiving AstraZeneca in the first week of July (which is Q3) won't get their second until the end of September.

First of all, the AstraZeneca vaccine is only authorised for over 50's, so under 50's won't be getting it or the J&J, under 50's will be mostly getting the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines as it currently stands.

Secondly there is nothing to say that AstraZeneca has to be 12 weeks, in can be given after just 4 weeks, in fact that is mostly what they trialled.

Given the restriction on using the AstraZeneca/J&J vaccines to only those over 50's, I'd suspect most will end up getting their second dose much sooner.

Jacovs

PommieBast wrote: »

Nice to hear that the state is actually getting something done.

I'm guessing its how they have setup their logistics, as in most cases supporting documents means old passports that need to be cancelled before they are returned.

As far as I am aware for simple renewals there are no supporting documents, no old passport to return and be cancelled anymore.

Far as aviation is concerned, very long road ahead. Work (worked?) in the sector myself and have been laid off since start of april last year. Little to no communication from company, happy to sit on their hands and just keep kicking the bucket down the road each time the PUP is extended. Frustrating to say the last.

PommieBast

Jacovs wrote: »

They are open as of today. Their twitter was also updated. Aiming to have all renewals issued in May. All new applications in June. Supporting documents returned 10 working days AFTER they send your new passport. Makes no sense, should return the supporting documents first soon as they are dont with them, as in many cases this includes passports that people can use earlier.

Nice to hear that the state is actually getting something done.

I'm guessing its how they have setup their logistics, as in most cases supporting documents means old passports that need to be cancelled before they are returned.

Jacovs

PommieBast wrote: »

I suspect a lot of people will be unable to travel due to lack of valid passports. So far all signs are the passport office remaining closed for many more months.

They are open as of today. Their twitter was also updated. Aiming to have all renewals issued in May. All new applications in June. Supporting documents returned 10 working days AFTER they send your new passport. Makes no sense, should return the supporting documents first soon as they are dont with them, as in many cases this includes passports that people can use earlier.

Cookiemunster

Noxegon wrote: »

Based on what's being reported today it's beginning to look like those under the age of 50 are looking at Q3 for their first dose. If it's AstraZeneca, then they're looking at Q4 before they're fully vaccinated. These people will have little choice but to holiday in Ireland.

If we open up to tourists from abroad, it's going to send the demand for hotels and accommodation skyrocketing – even as a large portion of our own population remains unable to travel.

If I was a politician thinking about reelection this would be at the forefront of my mind.

Whatever about the second does, I haven't seen anything to say that under 50s won't begin to get their first doses from early June. There's no shortage or restrictions on the Pfizer vaccine which is 3/4 of all the doses we're receiving in Q2.

Cookiemunster

PommieBast wrote: »

I suspect a lot of people will be unable to travel due to lack of valid passports. So far all signs are the passport office remaining closed for many more months.

The passport office has been added to the list of essential services. It won't be closed any longer.

PommieBast

Noxegon wrote: »

Based on what's being reported today it's beginning to look like those under the age of 50 are looking at Q3 for their first dose. If it's AstraZeneca, then they're looking at Q4 before they're fully vaccinated. These people will have little choice but to holiday in Ireland.

I suspect a lot of people will be unable to travel due to lack of valid passports. So far all signs are the passport office remaining closed for many more months.