FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Fann Linn wrote: »

Where else should DCC put their tenants? Tents on Henry Street?

Maybe build houses on public land with the money??
They had the resources and under SF they went out and competed with joe public for houses and apartments
Sauce for the goose sauce for the gander
Oppositions nearly always disappoint when they get into power

Emer Higgins (FG) really struggling on the Tonight Show re Housing & Cuckoo funds. FF must have insisted FG help them stop the bleeding on the airwaves. But it's clear that they haven't readily available solutions even though FF started making it a political issue 3 years ago.
I wonder will Labour introduce the 2019 O'Brien bill tomorrow. Hopefully.

skimpydoo

This does not look good.

https://twitter.com/wereontheditch/status/1390407694725619717?s=20

deise08

Wasn't sure where to post this...

When politicians appear on TV shows, do they get paid to appear?

Strong words from Roisin Shortall.

https://twitter.com/RoisinShortall/status/1390279846098620420

I cannot see FFG getting out of this toxic mess without major damage to both.

Let’s hope this means a massive building program ASAP. We need the homes and we want to buy them. If this doesn’t kick FFFGG in the arse I think this time the electorate will.

Floppybits

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Strong words from Roisin Shortall.

https://twitter.com/RoisinShortall/status/1390279846098620420

I cannot see FFG getting out of this toxic mess without major damage to both.

According to a few on here this is all just hyperbole.

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Strong words from Roisin Shortall.

https://twitter.com/RoisinShortall/status/1390279846098620420

I cannot see FFG getting out of this toxic mess without major damage to both.

God Bless your innocence. TDs in opposition doing what they always do. Blame the government. Yet don’t come up with workable solutions. Shocking.

Deleted User wrote: »

God Bless your innocence. TDs in opposition doing what they always do. Blame the government. Yet don’t come up with workable solutions. Shocking.

It's exactly what O'Brien himself did in 2019 when he introduced his bill

Someday I hope to be as politically astute as the blinkered FFG fans

EddieN75

Labour threatening to use O'Brien's own bill backing the government into a corner.

All bluster and rubbish.

Just go ahead and do it. Don't be playing tough on twitter or tiktok just go ahead and propose the bill.

It's all fluff. They are all the same as each other. The entire population no matter which party they follow are hoodwinked and distracted.

Power, 90k a year. Massive expenses, golden pension with a big lump sum.

It's just a job

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

God Bless your innocence. TDs in opposition doing what they always do. Blame the government. Yet don’t come up with workable solutions. Shocking.

Opposition threatening to introduce the very bill the minister himself introduced (word for word) in 2019.

The bolded words couldn't have been typed out by a better user account.

McMurphy wrote: »

Opposition threatening to introduce the very bill the minister himself introduced (word for word) in 2019.

The bolded words couldn't have been typed out by a better user account.

What’s keeping them? Time to pee or get off the pot.

howwatermelon wrote: »

Let’s hope this means a massive building program ASAP. We need the homes and we want to buy them. If this doesn’t kick FFFGG in the arse I think this time the electorate will.

The problem is that there is no solution.

People want to be able to live in 4-bed semi-detatched houses with a garden within easy commuting of work. That just isn't possible on sustainability grounds.

There are houses available in Dublin for less than 200k, but they are in parts of Darndale, Balbriggan, Tallaght and the inner city where people don't want to live.

The reason investment funds are needed to fund apartment building in the city centre is because Irish people, while happy to rent an apartment, won't buy them. Where they are bought, it is by Irish private investors who only can afford two or three properties, resulting in a mish-mash of amateur landlords.

Explosive interview on Claire Byrne just now. Kate O'Connell (FG) went to town on Leo.

blanch152 wrote: »

The problem is that there is no solution.

People want to be able to live in 4-bed semi-detatched houses with a garden within easy commuting of work. That just isn't possible on sustainability grounds.

There are houses available in Dublin for less than 200k, but they are in parts of Darndale, Balbriggan, Tallaght and the inner city where people don't want to live.

Let them eat cake

The above attitude is usually taken by people living in 4-bed semi-detatched houses with a garden within easy commuting of work/city centre

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Out beyond the m50 with the rest of us plebs. :pac:

This is also an issue, people who pay tax and their own way commuting from Meath/Kildare which social housing is provided within the City. Utterly ridiculous

CarProblem wrote: »

Let them eat cake

The above attitude is usually taken by people living in 4-bed semi-detatched houses with a garden within easy commuting of work/city centre

I live in Dublin 15, a fair way and a fair distance from the south Dublin area that I grew up in. It causes me considerable trouble and expense in looking after my remaining elderly parent. That is the way of it, I don't complain, I get on with it.

There simply isn't enough land to build houses where people want to live, and when there is available land, it is much better used for higher density apartments.

Some examples below of the 129 houses available for under 250k in Dublin right now. However, these just aren't good enough for many of those complaining.

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/9-summerhill-place-north-city-centre-dublin-1/4450510

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/14-lower-rutland-street-north-city-centre-dublin-1/4459014

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/66-bremore-pastures-way-balbriggan-county-dublin/4418526

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/57-bealing-walk-bealing-village-tyrrelstown-dublin-15/4499042

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/1-sundale-villas-tallaght-dublin-24/4472673

There definitely isn’t enough land left in Dublin to build the types of houses people want. Irish attitudes to apartments need to change and as long as they’re well managed complexes I wouldn’t have a problem buying one. But the legacy of things like Priory Hall has people spooked on apartments for sure. However, this is not a Dublin specific problem anymore. House prices are starting to rocket where I am, far past what is affordable and new houses are few and far between, and built in areas where there’s barely a road let alone a shop, school or crèche etc.
I think the want of an A rated top of the range home on the cheap is a bit of an attitude change from a buyers perspective. If spec was lower, maybe they’d be more affordable. The problem also lies with the banks, it’s exceedingly difficult to get a mortgage with enough left to renovate a house so even those cheap options in Dublin become expensive very quickly and gentrification doesn’t seem to happen too often in this country. I don’t know what it’s going to take at this stage but the fact remains, not everyone earns enough to buy one at current rates and something has to give or everyone will be homeless. The social contract could disintegrate very quickly very soon if we are not careful.

AlmightyCushion

Can we stop with this nonsense that Irish people only want to live in a house. I'm in my thirties and live in Dublin and I know tonnes of Irish people that would happily buy an apartment. The problem is (other than price) most of the apartments here are 1 and 2 beds which if you want to have kids is too limiting. We should be building more 3 and 4 bed apartments. Regardless, plenty of Irish people are happy to live in an apartment.

howwatermelon wrote: »

There definitely isn’t enough land left in Dublin to build the types of houses people want. Irish attitudes to apartments need to change and as long as they’re well managed complexes I wouldn’t have a problem buying one. But the legacy of things like Priory Hall has people spooked on apartments for sure. However, this is not a Dublin specific problem anymore. House prices are starting to rocket where I am, far past what is affordable and new houses are few and far between, and built in areas where there’s barely a road let alone a shop, school or crèche etc.
I think the want of an A rated top of the range home on the cheap is a bit of an attitude change from a buyers perspective. If spec was lower, maybe they’d be more affordable. The problem also lies with the banks, it’s exceedingly difficult to get a mortgage with enough left to renovate a house so even those cheap options in Dublin become expensive very quickly and gentrification doesn’t seem to happen too often in this country. I don’t know what it’s going to take at this stage but the fact remains, not everyone earns enough to buy one at current rates and something has to give or everyone will be homeless. The social contract could disintegrate very quickly very soon if we are not careful.

The social contract is at risk. At the moment, the hyperbole and hysteria of the opposition on this issue provides some escape valve. The real awakening would happen if those parties ever got into power and people began to realise that they cannot deliver.

At the end of the day, as you point out, land is finite.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Can we stop with this nonsense that Irish people only want to live in a house. I'm in my thirties and live in Dublin and I know tonnes of Irish people that would happily buy an apartment. The problem is (other than price) most of the apartments here are 1 and 2 beds which if you want to have kids is too limiting. We should be building more 3 and 4 bed apartments. Regardless, plenty of Irish people are happy to live in an apartment.

You make a good point on 3 and 4 bed apartments. Only 82 apartments for sale in Dublin with at least 3 bedrooms:

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/dublin/apartment-for-sale?minbeds=3

On the other hand, 1607 houses:

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/dublin/property-for-sale?types=37|38|39|40|48&minbeds=3

AlmightyCushion

blanch152 wrote: »

You make a good point on 3 and 4 bed apartments. Only 82 apartments for sale in Dublin with at least 3 bedrooms:

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/dublin/apartment-for-sale?minbeds=3

On the other hand, 1607 houses:

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/dublin/property-for-sale?types=37|38|39|40|48&minbeds=3

82. Feck. Didn't realise it was that bad. At least 1 is a duplicate listing as well and 1 is a student apartment so only for investment purposes. So, it's actually only 80. 41 of those 80 are over 500k. Only 1 has more than 3 bedrooms and it is 750k. So, yeah Irish people won't buy apartments. Maybe because there are feck all apartments suitable for families.

This by-election will be interesting.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0507/1216929-kate-oconnell-by-election/

Ms O'Connell told RTÉ's Today with Claire Byrne that she does not appear to have the support of the party leadership and appears not to be "the desired candidate for Fine Gael in the Dublin South by-election".

She said that there was "a movement towards the replacement of me with someone else" by a faction in the party that is very hard to combat and that she had not anticipated.

Jim twisting the knife too.

Dublin Bay South Fianna Fáil TD Jim O'Callaghan said that on a personal level he is disappointed that Ms O'Connell will not be running, but that Fine Gael has done his party candidates a great favour by not putting the former TD forward for election.

Kate said her family had been in FG for generations and made some reference at the very end to "Authentic Fine Gaeler" friends. I must go back and re-examine that meaning.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/11305694

Starts at 6m30s
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Floppybits

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

This by-election will be interesting.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0507/1216929-kate-oconnell-by-election/

Jim twisting the knife too.

Kate said her family had been in FG for generations and made some reference at the very end to "Authentic Fine Gaeler" friends. I must go back and re-examine that meaning.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/11305694

Starts at 6m30s
.

Heard the interview with O'Connell thought it was amusing and wondered who in their right mind would get involved with a political party.

You could hear the glee in O'Callaghans voice when he came on after O'Connell.

https://www.socialdemocrats.ie/delay-banning-cuckoo-funds-costs-e53m-in-lost-property-every-week/

Every day the government delays banning cuckoo funds from bulk-buying residential homes, millions of euro of property is taken out of the reach of ordinary buyers, according to Social Democrats Housing Spokesperson Cian O’Callaghan.

“Cuckoo funds are spending €53m a week on average, bulk-buying housing estates and apartment complexes in Dublin and the commuter belt.

“Often, they are buying these homes straight off the plans, which means that even if the government were to act today, the problem of cuckoo funds’ monopolising of the residential property market would remain for years.

“In just the first three months of this year, despite the slow-down in construction caused by the lockdown, cuckoo funds spent nearly €700m on homes and apartments.

Phenomenal numbers. First time buyers must be livid.

The FFG cabinet will be hiding all weekend methinks.

At least the cuckoo funds know the risks! :eek:

https://twitter.com/Aidan_Regan/status/1390598825547550721

Incredible. Click on the highlighted text to see the detail.

Shebean

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

At least the cuckoo funds know the risks! :eek:

https://twitter.com/Aidan_Regan/status/1390598825547550721

Incredible. Click on the highlighted text to see the detail.

It's an inconvenient problem. The government need to be seen to complain about it while not really doing anything about it.
Between people calling the problem manufactured and others acting like the very idea is a shock, it's interesting times.