Deleted User wrote: » Nor should it be. Look, I completely understand the desire to travel and see somewhere different. I am extremely grateful to my parents for allowing me to stay with them for the year, but, the truth is that the major part of my life is in Asia, and I have gone through cycles of insanity/depression while I've been in Ireland. However, while I do believe that the governments overreacted (under-reacted initially) with the travel bans, at the same time, free movement in terms of international travel would have been utterly retarded. Still is.. at least until the vaccines are widely dispersed, and we know for sure as to their effectiveness. I'd love to be back in Asia now. I'll be missing summer, which means missing all those gorgeous legs, and coming back just in time for dismal polluted winter. All the same, I definitely don't want to rely on Asian hospitals or the standard of care should I contract covid. I get where you're coming from, but the travel bans make sense. It won't be for much longer anyway.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » I'd want us to start with non EU countries. But I believe in principle every foreign national should have a job ready for them to start before arriving here.
Wibbs wrote: » That Ireland is pushing for more immigration when other nations who have long experience of it, or who have decided they don't want long experience of it, are dialling right back and tightening up their numbers and criteria beggars belief. I would love to know the reasoning, if there is any beyond falling over ourselves to be "progressive" in front of the class.
Deleted User wrote: » It's mainly about money I think, the political and business class make big money off it. It's also about power I suppose. And finally topped off by virtue signaling to the world how progressive you are, Helen McEntee said recently Ireland is at the start of a wonderful multicultural phase of it's development. I wonder what planet she has being living on for the last 25 years, we are already one of the most multi-cultural countries in the world, it clearly just hasn't been noticeable where she lives....
Arthur Daley wrote: » Plus the 'illegal' trade in refugees, there is that business as well. Such as that disgusting truck found in Essex full of Vietnamese. Those people should be in Vietnam, a beautiful country, with their families, supporting their elders and youngsters, and not spun some cock and bull story about the paths paved with gold in Essex.
Deleted User wrote: » It's still very much an authoritarian state (using a velvet glove), highly regulated society, where scams and corruption are commonplace at all levels of society whether public or private.
Arthur Daley wrote: » Sounds a bit like here in this day and age :rolleyes:
Deleted User wrote: » Hardly. Not even close to it. Irish society isn't corrupt. It's only at some upper echelons where we see corruption happening, but in general, Irish society and culture is very honest and direct. Scams are extremely rare, in comparison to what happens in 3rd world nations. Same with the amount of control the government has over the people. Freedom exists here... not so much throughout Asia (although in Asia there is far more cultural bondage occurring)
Arthur Daley wrote: » So when you think about it, instead of trying to reform these corrupt cultures, the answer is for people to flee to western Europe and continual attempts to 'diversify' and change the western culture.
If what you are describing there applies across the region in general, then surely the western culture is a gold standard, and any 'reforms' via twitter, NGOs, BLM or whatever should be aimed at the cultures were corruption and human rights abuses are widescale.
Is it just we're a soft touch that we are targeted for all these 'diversity' reforms. And these social justice warriors are not willing to put in the hard shift in 3rd world countries. We are the line of least resistance, and people like those in the back of that artic are mere pawns in this whole sorry affair.
One major political sticking point is whether the recent violence should be connected to Sweden's recent wave of immigration. Swedish police don't register criminal suspects according to ethnicity, but prosecutors say several of the men facing trial have non-Swedish backgrounds, and that's been used as ammunition by anti-immigration parties.
In a televised party leader debate last week, the leader of the nationalist Sweden Democrats Jimmie Akesson called for a crackdown on what he described as "imported values" that sanction violence against women. Sweden's Gender Equality Minister Marta Stenevi says that Sweden does have a problem with so-called "honour crimes", which are committed to protect or defend the supposed reputation of a family or extended community. But she believes labelling violence towards women as an "immigrant issue" is "really, really diminishing the problem",
describing violence against women as "deeply, deeply rooted" throughout Swedish society.
bubblypop wrote: » What are those crime figures by ethnicity like for ireland?
newhouse87 wrote: » Thought you don't care about ethnicities of crime perpetrators?
bubblypop wrote: » I don't
DelaneyIn wrote: » What are you asking for so?
_Kaiser_ wrote: » What the hell is going on in this country?
Deleted User wrote: » 2,000 people have just arrived on an Italian island in the space of 24 hours, the EU are asking for solidarity in resettling these people throughout the EU. I assume once again Ireland will step forward.... At some stage the EU are going to have to protect their borders.
A judge in Sicily has ordered the former Italian interior minister Matteo Salvini to stand trial for refusing to let a Spanish migrant rescue ship dock in an Italian port in 2019, keeping the people at sea for days. Judge Lorenzo Iannelli set 15 September as the trial date during a court hearing in Palermo, LaPresse news agency reported. Salvini, who attended the hearing, confirmed the outcome and said he was only doing his job and his duty by refusing entry to the Open Arms rescue ship and the 147 people it had rescued in the Mediterranean Sea. Citing the Italian constitution, Salvini tweeted that defending the country was the “sacred duty” of every Italian. “I’m going on trial for this, for having defended my country?” he said. “I’ll go with my head held high, also in your name.” Palermo prosecutors have accused Salvini of dereliction of duty and kidnapping, for keeping the migrants at sea off the coast of Lampedusa for almost three weeks in August 2019. During the standoff, some people threw themselves overboard in desperation as the captain pleaded for a safe, close port. Eventually, after a 19-day ordeal, the remaining 83 migrants still onboard were allowed to disembark in Lampedusa. Salvini had maintained a hard line on migration as interior minister during the first government of the then prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, from 2018-19. While demanding that EU nations do more to take in migrants arriving in Italy, Salvini argued that humanitarian rescue ships were only encouraging Libyan-based traffickers and that his policy saved lives by discouraging further risky trips across the Mediterranean. His lawyer, Giulia Bongiorno, said she was certain the court would determine that no kidnapping was involved. “There was no limitation on their freedom,” she told reporters after the indictment was handed down. “The ship had the possibility of going anywhere. There was just a prohibition of going into port. But it had 100,000 options.” The group behind Open Arms welcomed the decision to put Salvini on trial. “We are happy for all the people we have rescued … in all these years,” it tweeted. Salvini is also under investigation for another, similar migrant standoff involving the Italian coastguard ship Gregoretti, which Salvini refused to allow to dock in the summer of 2019. The prosecutor in that case, Andrea Bonomo of Catania in Sicily, advised against a trial, arguing that Salvini was carrying out government policy when he kept the 116 migrants at sea for five days.
TomTomTim wrote: » In the case of Italy the system is trying to make the problem worse by bringing anyone who takes serious action against the problem to court The reality is, is that there's way too many people within the system who want all of this madness to continue
_Kaiser_ wrote: » Newstalk covering a story this morning about a Philippino carer who is concerned about getting the covid vaccine because she's here over 10 years and undocumented (ie: illegal) and worried she'll be deported. She's grateful to McEntee though for her plans to regularise her status. McEntee herself interviewed as well and assuring her/them that their information wouldn't be passed on - ie: encouraging them to not only continue to break the law but we'll vaccinate them all (figure of 20000 was mentioned) anyway until she waves all this away with her amnesty plan. What the hell is going on in this country?
Deleted User wrote: » The current Italian and Spanish governments are two of Europe's biggest weakpoints on illegal migration at the moment. Both ideologically support it from their political viewpoint, left wing and socialist.
Others who hold influence in these countries see it as a chance to help with some of the worlds lowest fertility rates, 1.3 roughly in both countries. Both countries are expected to see their populations half over the coming few decades, mass migration is seen by them as a way of countering this.
DeadHand wrote: » Ultimately? A cynical process to dramatically inflate both labour pools and markets for the benefit of big business protected and justified by those who profit from it and those who have been duped into doing so in the belief they are displaying extraordinary compassion and/or fighting imaginary Nazis.
Deleted User wrote: » There are far better ways to increase birth rates
Cordell wrote: » There is no need to increase birth rates, there is no need for more people in Europe, especially not the kind that keeps coming in. It's all a big stinking red herring - we have a demographic decline so we need to bring in replacement people. No, this is just politicians presenting something bad as something good, just because they are unable and unwilling to stop it.
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