Mellor wrote: » Well that’s clearly not true either. I don’t think it’s wanting to be the best guy in the room. I think it’s more a warped sense of loyalty his has. Would really question who his sparring partners will be for the next 10 weeks
Mellor wrote: » Well that’s clearly not true either. Eddie Bravo mentioned Conor dropped into his gym in his FW days. Eddie said he had no problem jumping in with his best guys and that UFC guys typically don’t do that. Conor brought in Danis to his camp. Clearly he recognised that his bjj needed a lift. Trained BJJ with Chris Hauter too. I’ve seen Mick Conlon and Paddy Barnes in for boxing sessions.etc I don’t think it’s wanting to be the best guy in the room. I think it’s more a warped sense of loyalty his has. Would really question who his sparring partners will be for the next 10 weeks
Esse85 wrote: » I think it will comes down to who wants it more. That's between now and 9 weeks time. To me, Dustin needs and wants the win more. Conor could take it or leave it, probably already has his mind set on what he'll do after the fight such as box Manny or some YouTube kid. I doubt his fire is burning as high as Dustins to win the belt, he's already achieved that first time of asking.
Ush1 wrote: » FW days a long time ago.
Mellor wrote: » Weigh the same same but one is stronger. Of course. Muscles don’t equal strength. But we never mentioned strength. Weight the same, but be bigger. I don’t understand that. Bigger how? Size is typically measured by mass. Ie kilograms or pounds. If I’m 80kg and your 77kg. I’m bigger. The muscle bound freak gets mauled because he has no skill. Nothing to do with natural weight. Are you trying to say a persons natural weight if they never trained verses a weight they’ve bulked up to? I don’t think that’s significant. If they both walk at 175kg then neither is bigger. A fighter is bigger when they cut more to weigh in. Dustin is a big 155er. He’s certainly bigger than he was in the past.
yourdeadwright wrote: » I think your underestimating natural size,
Conor frame is much smaller than Dustin he only weighs the same because he has added extra muscle to his frame to get up in weigh a lot of that muscle is for show and doesn't help him, it also effects his gas tank,
There is 100% a difference between someone who is a natural at a weight and someone who need to pack extra muscle onto get to the weight,
GSP is a great example although he went up and won the belt he said he would never defend the belt at middle weight and didn't He said just didn't feel the same with the extra muscle and his athletic performance suffered because of the extra weight on his frame, He also said it took him nearly 2 years after added the size for his cardio to catch up
Mellor wrote: » I think you’re overstating natural size. Whether somebody bulks to 170lbs or is naturally 170lbs they weigh the same on top of you, the force to move them is the same, the weight behind a punch is the same, etc For show? What are you basing this on. There are styles of training that muscle grow disproportionately to strength/power. But MMA fighters and athletes generally don’t train like that. Muscle mass affects cardio. I’ve never seen any evidence that suggests it’s only muscle gained and not natural muscle. Dustin had to put on extra muscle when he moved up. His frame is noticeably bigger now. In particular around the waist and in the face/jaw. He clearly has also added muscle to his natural frame via training. GSP around when he won the belt had colitis. Important factor you’re leaving out. He also never cut as much as Conor, and moved up a 15lbs. So that’s was a much bigger task for him. I never has said it’s possible to do it overnight. 2 years sounds about right to me. Conor moved up 5 years ago. There’s a limit to how much individuals can move up of course. But we’re talking 10 lbs over a few years. Actually less when you factor in that he was probably a weight outlier at FW. There’s maybe 5lbs difference in their natural weight weight. And less on the night. That’s not significant in the outcome of the fight imo.
yourdeadwright wrote: » Its not the same, building yourself up to a weight than naturally that being your weight class is a very different thing
Why did Conor himself always remark on being to big to strong at FW if there all the same size ?
Even when he beat Eddie ,Conor himself said Eddie was just a blow up FW, with no attributes like size or length,
Your VO2 changes when you add muscle and takes far longer for you to balance that out than to simply add muscle
Dustin is always had a bigger frame than Conor, His waist has always been wider , He is also the heaviest person to step foot in the cage at LW on fight night,
He was the bigger stronger man at FW he said it himself many times its simply not the case at LW
Deleted User wrote: » Fighters fight to earn a living i.e make money. McGregor transcended the sport like nobody ever has, and all before he hit 30. He made boxing money while being an MMA fighter. He had no reason to abandon SBG, what would he really gain? Other fighters jump teams in order to improve i.e earn more money. Whether McGregor was being trained by SBG, American Top Team, or myself made very little difference - he was the selling point. People either tuned in to see him win, or to see him get shut the **** up. In my opinion, the hungry, motivated, McGregor of 2013-2016 wipes the octagon with Poirier. But, as Marvin Hagler said - "It's tough to get out of bed to do roadwork at 5am when you've been sleeping in silk pajamas" If the fight against Khabib couldn't reignited that flame, nothing will. McGregor's hunger has been satiated.
eagle eye wrote: » Well I'd say McGregor is all about money now. All his fights have got him huge money and this fight will too. If he loses this one though then the money like dries up so I think he'll be very focused here.
Mellor wrote: » The parts I listed are the same. That’s not to say it’s all the same. But it’s a lot closer to the truth than saying added muscle is just for show. I mean, it takes two seconds to prove that’s false. Well they weren’t all the same size. You think Conor became champ he was stronger, or bigger. That’s a bit silly. You already gave the example of a big guy getting mauled on day 1 at bjj. Because Conor would never try to wind up an opponent? Eddie fought at LW an WW, but I don’t think he was ever at FW. More than 5 years? I doubt it Do you have a source for that? How heavy? I’ve claimed he was a bigger man at LW. Strawman argument. Simple question. How big do you think Dustin and Conor will be in the cage? And what do you think their “natural” weights are? What ever that means to you. Dust is been at LW longer, he’d bigger. It’s obviously one of the factors, but it’s not the only one. Nor is it the biggest one.
MrStuffins wrote: » Dry up? The man has more money than God right now. He's also shown himself to be a very savvy businessman. He made tens of millions from MMA. He turned that into earning even more in a one-off boxing match. Add both those figures together and he's still (apparently) made more than that from creating and selling a product that has nothing to do with either sport. He likes the good life but it's not as if he's throwing it around like that idiot Mayweather and others like him. He'll never have to worry about money again.
mma_noobie wrote: » Won't be long before he is losing against the Youtubers. I genuinely think Katie Taylor outboxes him
MrStuffins wrote: » Yeah, and Jonathan Sexton would beat Lionel Messi in a game of Rugby. Doesn't say much. But if Conor's main drive is money, they he should step away because he will get hurt by the Poiriers of the world who, while they are in it for the money as well, as also in it for the glory. To spend their days as a Champion and to be remembered like Champions are.
mma_noobie wrote: » Johnny Sexton isn't going around claiming to be a great football player.
McGregor made a name of beating up smaller me with his dated left hand punch. Beating Cerrone?! Come off it. Doesn't count.
MrStuffins wrote: » Doesn't matter. Conor McGregor isn't challenging Katie Taylor to a boxing match either. I've enjoyed your posts so far but it hasn't taken long for you to show your bias. Watch his demolition of the Eddie Alvarez to win the LW belt and tell me he's just a "dated left hand punch".
FileNotFound wrote: » In fairness Alvarez was possibly the poorest LW champ you could think of.
MrStuffins wrote: » It's irrelevant what your perception of Alvarez is. The facts are he was the legitimate UFC LW Champion at the time and McGregor put together a clinic against him. To say that McGregor is just a guy who beat up smaller guys with just a single left-hand is incorrect and is only something someone who had an anti-McGregor bias would say IMO.
yourdeadwright wrote: » The Eddie performance was near perfection, it was a beautiful victory on every sense , Eddie was perfect match up in styles for Conor someone who always got hit a lot and more often than not got hurt in fights, Conor was and is a level above Eddie
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