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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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CramCycle

Could leaning on the horn in this way be construed as assault? From the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act, 1997:
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(3) No such offence is committed if the force or impact, not being intended or likely to cause injury, is in the circumstances such as is generally acceptable in the ordinary conduct of daily life and the defendant does not know or believe that it is in fact unacceptable to the other person.[/I]

Not in that context as if you read the full sentence, they could argue that beeping a horn is not intended to cause injury (I don't agree) and they could argue they didn't know you would find it unacceptable (but they would be lying).
On the same note, failure to leave appropriate distance between you and the vehicle in front (presuming they were not leaving enough distance as is often the case), driving without reasonable consideration, driver found to be driving carelessly. Fair amount of points and fines and a court appearance quite easily if the gardai were interested.

ARX

ARX wrote: »

(3) No such offence is committed if the force or impact, not being intended or likely to cause injury, is in the circumstances such as is generally acceptable in the ordinary conduct of daily life and the defendant does not know or believe that it is in fact unacceptable to the other person.[/I]

CramCycle wrote: »

Not in that context as if you read the full sentence, they could argue that beeping a horn is not intended to cause injury (I don't agree) and they could argue they didn't know you would find it unacceptable (but they would be lying).
On the same note, failure to leave appropriate distance between you and the vehicle in front (presuming they were not leaving enough distance as is often the case), driving without reasonable consideration, driver found to be driving carelessly. Fair amount of points and fines and a court appearance quite easily if the gardai were interested.

I think that clause 3 is to be construed as follows: no offence is committed if all 3 of the following conditions hold:

1. The force or impact is not intended or likely to cause injury (intimidation rather than injury is (I assume) the usual intention so we'll take this as true);
2. It is generally acceptable in the ordinary conduct of daily life;
3. The defendant does not know or believe that it is in fact unacceptable to the other person.

If any of those is false then (by my amateur reading) an offence is committed.

I imagine a good prosecution could successfully argue that it is not "generally acceptable" or that the defendant did know that it was "in fact unacceptable to the other person". This of course is purely academic, as such a prosecution is never going to happen.

suffering golfer

Got a nasty fishhook yesterday. Approaching an junction with the lights starting to change to amber, car behind suddenly sped up overtaking me by the lights and turned left on top of me. If I didn't see him turning the wheel and slam on my brakes, it would have been very nasty. Guy must have been brain dead to drive like that. Hate the way people see changing lights as a signal to speed up rather than slow down.

CramCycle

Ahead of a van at a red light, turning right, as they were also (although no indicator), got through and he drew level and then turned into me (left, immediately after the turn). I managed to swing into the turn and roar. He stopped and shrugged his shoulders and mouthed something. The peds at the lights and another white van man waiting to head the other way look shook, much like myself, they were probably convinced that an ambulance was about to be called. Absolute muppetry. There is not a hope in hell he didn't know I was there, ahead at the lights, ahead for most of the turn (except that is where he drew level with me), and at his front light as he turned. An absolute f*cker. What is wrong with people, even if what I had done was illegal or a provocation (it was neither), why would you do that.

Wildly Boaring

I got over taken here

R150
https://maps.app.goo.gl/d53t8hKYbyzJYRmg8

Yep. On a blind, 90 degree bend, with a junction coming in from the right.

As a runner and buggy pusher were waiting to cross and a passat was waiting to come out from the side road.

And he gave me a good 2m!!!!
He went into the opposite lane altogether.
Madness.

[Deleted User]

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

I got over taken here

R150
https://maps.app.goo.gl/d53t8hKYbyzJYRmg8

Yep. On a blind, 90 degree bend, with a junction coming in from the right.

As a runner and buggy pusher were waiting to cross and a passat was waiting to come out from the side road.

And he gave me a good 2m!!!!
He went into the opposite lane altogether.
Madness.

Not really a near miss at all but passed there the other evening, except I took the ****ty road from Colp over to the Piltown Rd to head to Bettystown. Just before the GAA Club had a clown along side me with the window down asking for directions to the cemetery , it's right f'n next to it but he's busy looking at me and ignoring the road in front of him :eek:

Fighting Tao

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Paging AJR...
One in 10 motorists admit to texting while driving

Every vehicle (except emergency ones) should block all mobile signals.

Smee_Again

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Paging AJR...
One in 10 motorists admit to texting while driving

Surprised it’s that low.

Although not everyone who does will admit that they do.

Fighting Tao

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I'd disagree - there are meaningful reasons for car occupants to need a mobile signal.
We just need proper enforcement along with a fine that matches the consequences of the offence.

Proper enforcement and fines won’t happen though.

[Deleted User]

One of the comments on that tweet "The roads aren’t good enough eimear you shouldn’t be on a road like that." :mad:

Completely agree with Duckjob re: position on the road.

TheChizler

Duckjob wrote: »

Problem with riding near the edge in a place like that is you're giving bad drivers an invite to drive selfishly and endanger you.

Completely agree. The odd time I drive these days and I come up behind someone riding in the gutter like that and I could physically fit past without crossing the line there's an unconscious sense that I'm the one causing delay, and most people just overtake when that happens. Probably the same feeling that makes someone ride in the gutter.

Rogue-Trooper

Heading into Swords yesterday, just before JC's supermarket, and a black Audi A4 came in on top of me as they passed me. I was a good 1.5m out from the kerb so I had plenty of space to dart to my left to avoid being hit.

As we both rolled to a stop at the pedestrian lights a few metres later, I tapped on the passenger side window to ask politely for more room in future and did they realise they had nearly knocked me off.

The poor driver got such a fright from the tap on the window that she dropped her mobile phone.......:mad:

Wildly Boaring

TheChizler wrote: »

Completely agree. The odd time I drive these days and I come up behind someone riding in the gutter like that and I could physically fit past without crossing the line there's an unconscious sense that I'm the one causing delay, and most people just overtake when that happens. Probably the same feeling that makes someone ride in the gutter.

Couple that with the people with cars who simply cannot drive and you have a recipe for disaster.

Off the top of my head I know
An aunt who won't drive bigger than a micra and cannot reverse said micra
A mate's ex who I had to refuse to take a lift off. Scared the **** out of me by driving straight onto a main road without looking and then nt seeing the problem with this!!
My own cousin who stopped on the motorway and made her brother drive as the "cars are going so fast"

eeeee

Got cut off by a white micra covered in anti choice material.
The irony was lost on them :rolleyes:

CramCycle

eeeee wrote: »

Got cut off by a white micra covered in anti choice material.
The irony was lost on them :rolleyes:

I remember coming through town when the big anti choice parade was on when 2 adults herded a couple of kids straight out into the road while traffic was moving The irony was too much for my small mind to bear.

Ferris

Rogue-Trooper wrote: »

The poor driver got such a fright from the tap on the window that she dropped her mobile phone.......:mad:

It’d be funny if it wasn’t true 50% of the time

VonLuck

This is a story from a few years ago but don't think I ever told anyone about it. I was waiting at a very awkward five road junction with a queue of traffic behind me waiting for the green light. A green light appears, but just for the adjacent road which is at about 30 degrees to the one I'm on so you can clearly see their light when it changes.

I figure the guy behind me thought it was green for him and proceeds to nudge my back tyre with his car! I turn around and give him the WTF arms up in the air and I could see him absolutely furious behind the wheel, despite me pointing to the clearly red light. He must have thought he had to stay committed to the fury and couldn't stand to admit fault, even with his clearly embarrassed girlfriend in the passenger seat trying to calm him down.

[Deleted User]

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Every vehicle (except emergency ones) should block all mobile signals.

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Paging AJR...
One in 10 motorists admit to texting while driving

And eight of the other nine admitted to being liars.

Wildly Boaring

Weepsie wrote: »

Blake's cross to skerries today. I know a few do that road regularly. F*ckin he'll the standard of driving is bad.

I'd consider 1 pass a in a long cycle a bad one such is the rarity really. Every few vehicles though on this stretch until I got beyond lusk at least was brutal

Wife is skerries direction
I constantly wonder about the state of drivers on that road. Hate driving it. Never cycled it and never will

[Deleted User]

Duckjob wrote: »

idiot man in an Audi

Ah no, that's hard to believe now.

The J Stands for Jay

crosstownk wrote: »

Exactly. Taxi drivers simply drive for a profession. They are not professionally trained drivers in any way. Their driving licence is identical to mine. Their attitude to cyclists is something to behold, imo.

I'm sure there's probably more than a few taxi drivers out there who never sat a test and got their licence during the 70s or 80s when they gave them out to clear a backlog. The taxi driver who rear ended me on a Dublinbike while I was stopped at a traffic light was about the right age for it.

Mundo7976

Got left hooked today where i hit the car, i was in a bike lane and all. Driver left the scene. Full report to Gardai

Mundo7976

None. Nor to the bike. Thanks for aksing &#55357;&#56397;&#55356;&#57339;

CramCycle

Mundo7976 wrote: »

None. Nor to the bike. Thanks for aksing ��

Glad to hear it, the most important thing, hopefully they have no issues tracking the driver down.

mr spuckler

I haven't posted here in a long time, largely as I've hardly been on the bike in the last 12 months+

Yesterday evening around 6:45pm as we cycled here, myself, my wife with nearly 2yo in a Weeride seat and our 5yo cycling his bike in the cycle lane, a car approached from Collins avenue on the left and intending to join the road heading towards Raheny, same direction that we were going.

The driver clearly just did not look at or see us. Even with the yield line maybe 10 metres away she continued at the same speed and clearly intending to proceed which would have resulted in her hitting me and the 5yo at least. I put out my hand and yelled at her to stop, which thankfully had the desired reaction.

Despite this, at no point did I see her actually make eye contact with me, even after she had reacted to my shout. She seemed to be completely in her own world and almost unsure of what had just happened. I watched for her to pass us to see if there'd be any acknowledgment at all - none forthcoming. Truly frightening and bizarre at the same time. I shudder to think what would have happened if I didn't yell at her or if I wasn't as assertive on the road as I am.

tnegun

I had a bizarre encounter yesterday here I was waiting at the lights to go straight ahead for the canal/greenway with a car waiting on the other side. The lights changed and a pedestrian stepped in front of the car which set him off beeping like mad, I started to cycle across the junction and as soon as the pedestrian clears the car he drives straight at me wanting to turn right(my left) with no indicator. I held up my hand signalling for to stop him as I had right of way and he rolls down the window to tell me to get the fcuk out of his way. I just laughed at him and cycled on but there are some proper nutters out there all this less than 20m from the Garda station.

MangleBadger

I was going through the roundabout between Cabinteely and Shankill. Just after I’d passed through a car decides to try overtake me even though there was plenty of oncoming traffic and clearly no room. As he got his nose in front of me he started to squeeze me in towards the kerb. So I gave his car a smack.
He puts the brakes on then and I pull up to his passenger window. He must have been in his 60/70s with I guess his grand daughter in the passenger seat.
He starts shouting at me that I was taking up to much room and should stick closer to the side or use the path.
I tried to tell him there was no room and he needs to give me room if he is overtaking.
It was then the 10-12 year old grand daughter started to shout abuse at me. Telling me to f*ck off and calling me a c*nt. So no point in continuing that conversation.
Caught up with them as they were waiting to turn right the far side of Shankill. Granddaughter with the passenger window open to hurl more abuse at me.
Interesting interaction.

Fighting Tao

Pinch Flat

Irlande null points

Mundo7976

-10% Gardai seem more bothered that you would ring them in the first place!