The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
kanuseeme wrote: » No chance, if they do, they would be crazy to depend solely on a charging network to save €1.50 every 100 km they would travel Cost to drive 100km EV compared to a 4.5l/100km diesel car. PAYG Standard*€3.97 Fast*€4.51 High Power*€5.48 **Member Standard*€3.40 Fast*€3.97 High Power*€4.88 ***Diesel Diesel€5.44 *Based on the driving range of a 40kWh Nissan LEAF (WLTP)**The Membership price does not include €4.60 monthly subscription ***AA Roadwatch January 2021 diesel price average
ELM327 wrote: » Because there's a different use case. With DC charging its ecpected to be en route. We don't have enough critical mass to allow the DC chargers be used for 1.5-2hrs that it would take to recharge the newer larger battery cars at 44kW.
slave1 wrote: » Why just financial references, there are people out there that will do it for non-financial reasons you know.
liamog wrote: » No, you're missing the point about these locations. The upgrades to provide DC charging in towns is about serving the market of people who will take on board a decent charge whilst going about their business in a town. Why is there now a moral panic because the town centre car park is served by a 50kW DC charger instead of a 22kW AC charger? There's plenty of other investment under the programme in online services and ensuring their is adequate on-route charging infrastructure, providing 50kW in towns will help a lot of people. I'm lucky in that I have two 50kW DC chargers within 5km of the house. They are ideal for when you need a boost due to higher than expected daily usage, instead of having to drive 40km to nearest motorway service station, I can drive to Lucan, rapid charge for 30mins and grab a coffee.
liamog wrote: » No, you're missing the point about these locations. The upgrades to provide DC charging in towns is about serving the market of people who will take on board a decent charge whilst going about their business in a town. Why is there now a moral panic because the town centre car park is served by a 50kW DC charger instead of a 22kW AC charger?
Busman Paddy Lasty wrote: » The topic of safety isn't necessarily criticism of AC to DC upgrades. There's no moral panic over AC vs DC. If a site is isolated from footfall and dimly lit it's not suitable for either AC or DC if some women are afraid (don't feel comfortable) to use it. Figuratively speaking put yourself in a woman's shoes....... now approx 50% of the population have a strength advantage over you, can batter you, rob you or assault you or even strangle you. Not nice reading but it would bother me greatly if I was a woman.
liamog wrote: » Having asked my wife, she'd much prefer a town centre car park than tucked away in the corner of a quiet petrol station. During the expected times she'd be using it, there's more likely to be footfall through the car park. She also mentioned that some of her friends will avoid using petrol stations on their own at night. They're not exactly a mecca of personal safety.
ELM327 wrote: » I tell you, I had to charge at a closed petrol station (maxol Navan) at 2am before and it wasnt exactly safe feeling. And I'm a large hairy man! It's a good point. Tesla make a deal of putting superchargers in sites only where a woman and a child would be feeling safe at all times. Seems ecars just lob the chargers anywhere the landowner agrees (we know this to be fact anyway)
Silent Running wrote: » Ah now you're just making stuff up. .
Silent Running wrote: » I've seen locations where the chargers are round the back of the motorway services building in a dark car park well away from the main parking area, with normal chargers out the front, near the main doors.
ELM327 wrote: » I am not, Elon had said this in the past. Irish locations (the only ones I've been to) are well lit and have obvious CCTV.
cannco253 wrote: » Is eCars just for private individual users or can Companies use it, or do they care either way? I wonder what would happen if commercial users started charging like in Bjorn's latest videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lNTjJW7HEY Has anyone seen any trucks or vans using eCars charging points?
ELM327 wrote: » Theres a couple that use the HPC in Kells on a regular basis. A pharmacy and a flower shop. Theres a security company leaf 40 that regularly uses the SCP in Kells too. They are out there Unfortunately theres no EV option for what I wanted for my side business, a T280/T350 transit LWB or similar, so I'm in a diesel van. Where's the ENV-400! Nissan have the best commercial EVs.
Black_Knight wrote: » Same with KilCullen and Galway Plaza. The Chademo plug seems a waste based on this.
AndyBoBandy wrote: » Definitely wasted on the 150kW unit anyway.... You dont see the timing of the CHAdeMO use do you? As in can you tell if 2 CHAdeMO's at the same location were both used at the same time?
Black_Knight wrote: » I can. Only last week I added the breakdown by unit per site, rather than the site as a whole, so I should be able to see when multiples of any socket are in use. I've not got it graphed or aggregated, but in the last week: Kells: CHAdeMO - both in use never CCS - both in use 2 times Galway Plaza: CHAdeMO - both in use once CCS - both in use 10 times Kilcullen: CHAdeMO - both in use never CCS - both in use ~14 times (it's hard to count, for now i'm just counting spikes where the "CHARGING" count on CCS goes to 2 on a 7 day graph) If you're asking "can you see if the 50kW CHAdeMO was in use when the 70kW was being used" the answer is yes, but it's bloody awkward.
ELM327 wrote: » It's already more expensive per kWh
ELM327 wrote: » I've used the 70kW chademo in Kells when the 150kW CCS and the 50kW CCS were in use.
the_amazing_raisin wrote: » I kinda wish ESB would do per minute charging for the HPCs instead of per kWh, it's really discourage slower charging vehicles from hopping the charger when the 50kW is nearby
Black_Knight wrote: » I just wish ESB will use the stats they have (more accurate than mine) and adapt the network accordingly (swap out the CHAdeMO plug for CCS on the HPC, add more units at busy stations). Or ya know, a 50kW unit in a car park down a maze of 1 way streets in Carlow.
ELM327 wrote: » How much additional would you charge? Even at a charge of a fiver, a tenner etc more, if that's the only unit available when I arrive then I'm going to charge there. Imagine explaining to the mrs that theres a charger there but you have to waiut for the cheaper one!! Sure I'd spend more than that on 2 coffees inside. I'm a chape ba$tard at the best of times, don't get me wrong, but most folks driving EVs won't have their behavior changed by an incremental 5 euro charge.
