SafeSurfer wrote: » Sinn Fein has admitted that bullying was a problem in the party. Are you now denying this?
fvp4 wrote: » They will get in because an entire generation don’t think they will ever afford a house. Most of these aren’t flag wavers.
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » Yes, it's very cynical how SF is promising they'll magically fix the housing crisis just to appeal to voters, whilst their housing spokesperson is busy objecting to local development in his back yard.
SafeSurfer wrote: » The Sinn Fein bullying must have been pretty severe if someone convicted of torturing and threatening to kill another person and also videoing it, was intimidated by it.
Marco23d wrote: » The independent is the most biased and unfair newspaper in Europe they are completely against Sinn Fein especially and overwhelmingly during elections. Ever since Michael Collins sent the boys round to smash up the place for talking bad about the IRA they have been so far up FGs ass it's not even funny and probably to large extent controlled by Fine Gael.
fvp4 wrote: » How come the independent couldn’t investigate why this guy was “bullied”. The fact is they sided with this alleged murderer. This is such a lack of investigative journalism that’s beyond belief. If SF did in fact kick him out when they found out about the criminality, and the independent waded in without any investigation it’s shoddy journalism, if they knew or suspected his involvement (and it’s a small country) then it’s ideological.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Bad argument if they were bullying a known criminal to kick him out.
FrancieBrady wrote: » It's not 'shoddy journalism' it is dangerous journalism. The fact is the Indo was more interested in piling-on than the truth of the matter.
zoobizoo wrote: » I've never read an issue on An Phoblacht... how did they report on it?
[Deleted User] wrote: » How come the independent couldn’t investigate why this guy was “bullied”. The fact is they sided with this alleged murderer. This is such a lack of investigative journalism that’s beyond belief. If SF did in fact kick him out when they found out about the criminality, and the independent waded in without any investigation it’s shoddy journalism, if they knew or suspected his involvement (and it’s a small country) then it’s ideological.
zoobizoo wrote: » I made no mention of a comparison. Just wondering how the party publication reported on it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » When did anyone promise to fix the housing problem by allowing unsustainable, inappropriate development? You can have solutions you know, without just giving a pass to any development.
starkid wrote: » this doesn't wash when its nearly every single development....
seamus wrote: » A political party is responsible for the character of those they place up for election, those they spend ad money on, those whose faces they put in the national media.
Marine Layer wrote: » Heavens Are we back to But but but the Indo again* *Please don't reply with but but but the IRA given what we are talking about here..
FrancieBrady wrote: » ??? What the hell? SF are responsible for what somebody does long after leaving the party? Are you having a laff?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Yeh, I wish someone for once could come up with a specific thing SF did wrong here.
fvp4 wrote: » Obviously SF has something to answer here. However why was the media, the Indo in particular, championing this guy. Were people using him as an example of SF bullying early on in this thread? Genuine question as this thread is something I only rarely pop into. Did the Independent not check out on the guy? Was he being bullied because of his criminal activities?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Yeh, I wish someone for once could come up with a specific thing SF did wrong here. this guy turned out to be a nasty bit of work...those on the ground were obviously talking about him (the rumours...alleged bullying) he left and then after a media pile-on SF allowed him back and then Gardai discovered the video tapes sealing his fate.
skimpydoo wrote: » What about the FG senator who shoved a chocolate bar up someones arse?
blanch152 wrote: » So, what you are telling us is that Sinn Fein are likely to succumb to media pressure even if the person behind it is a murderer and torturer? Doesn't that make them complete wimps? They couldn't stand up to a principle of not having murderers and torturers in their party and a little bit of media pressure and they caved. Every time you post, you seem to make Sinn Fein look worse as a result.
starkid wrote: » you're beyond help. We know exactly what SF did wrong. Are we going to pretend the IRA got out of the game post Good Friday? They know that many of their members have "connections". Ones they mantain were all in the name of being the good guy. The lines get blurred when the lads continue diesel laundering and killing well after the Good Friday agreement however. And if we can connect the dots the father is old school. This is the price to be paid. there's always going to be unsavory characters linked with SF because of who and what they are. At least have the good grace to admit it. People like myself would actually say fair ****s SF if they came clean and fully transparent.
Finty Lemon wrote: » You are right. He left fully 354 days before the alleged incident. That is a lifetime in politics and his link to SF is null and void as a result. The other thing to remember here is that this is a charge, not a conviction.
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