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JayRoc wrote: »

You don't believe the housing crisis exists?

I’m always wary of anything labelled a crisis by newspapers.

We have an affordability issue in Dublin cork and Galway perhaps but a housing crisis I’m not so sure .

duploelabs

Cyrus wrote: »

I’m always wary of anything labelled a crisis by newspapers.

We have an affordability issue in Dublin cork and Galway perhaps but a housing crisis I’m not so sure .

There's an difference between an affordable housing crisis and a housing crisis?

L1011

"than needed" for the projected housing demand, which is based on what can be supported by the infrastructure in place. Nothing else.

Zone extra land and don't provide infrastructure and you get Tallaght 2.0.

Cyrus wrote: »

I’m always wary of anything labelled a crisis by newspapers.

We have an affordability issue in Dublin cork and Galway perhaps but a housing crisis I’m not so sure .

Its a housing crisis in that its a broken market. Populism has led to a situation that simply does not pertain in most other jurisdictions.

duploelabs wrote: »

There's an difference between an affordable housing crisis and a housing crisis?

Well again crisis is hyperbolic but I’d see them as two different issues ,

A housing crisis suggests there aren’t enough homes .

Larbre34 wrote: »

Its a housing crisis in that its a broken market. Populism has led to a situation that simply does not pertain in most other jurisdictions.

Which jurisdictions are you referring to?

Ireland is unaffordable for many in the cities but fine outside of that , a lot of out neighbours are the same though.

Cyrus wrote: »

Which jurisdictions are you referring to?

Ireland is unaffordable for many in the cities but fine outside of that , a lot of out neighbours are the same though.

Ones that insists the price of default is repossession. Ones in which lenders have a reasonable expectation to foreclose on security and make money on mortgages. Ones where public and cooperative housing are built en masse, in prime locations, to an acceptable size for lifelong occupation at an index linked rent and at densities that justify those prime locations. Ones where the pattern of development is dictated by the needs of the citizens and the growth patterns of the State, not at the whims of developers.

Larbre34 wrote: »

Ones that insists the price of default is repossession. Ones in which lenders have a reasonable expectation to foreclose on security and make money on mortgages. Ones where public and cooperative housing are built en masse, in prime locations, to an acceptable size for lifelong occupation at an index linked rent and at densities that justify those prime locations. Ones where the pattern of development is dictated by the needs of the citizens and the growth patterns of the State, not at the whims of developers.

I do agree in that I think repossession would solve a lot of our ills and non recourse lending too while we are at it.

As to the rest I can only think of Singapore that really fits those criteria .

duploelabs

Cyrus wrote: »

Well again crisis is hyperbolic but I’d see them as two different issues ,

A housing crisis suggests there aren’t enough homes .

That's not an answer to the question, what's the difference between the two?

Mav11

duploelabs wrote: »

That's not an answer to the question, what's the difference between the two?

My view is that the difference is (1) there are not enough homes or (2) there are not enough homes at the “right “ price.

Cyrus wrote: »

I do agree in that I think repossession would solve a lot of our ills and non recourse lending too while we are at it.

As to the rest I can only think of Singapore that really fits those criteria .

Having spent a few weeks in Singapore now and again with a family member who lives there, I think it absolutely is an aspirational model.

That said, other European jurisdictions have those other aspects in various places.

So broken is the situation here at the moment, it makes me laugh that we have a Citizens Assembly recommending very obvious shyt, when the people of the Country should be discussing, through these fora, the nature of sustainable housing and associated infrastructure that will serve a growing population for the next 50 years. Continued failure by successive Govts to let it slide is unacceptable.

ted1

Larbre34 wrote: »

Its a housing crisis in that its a broken market. Populism has led to a situation that simply does not pertain in most other jurisdictions.

Socialisation the private rental market was never the right lion

iffandonlyif

I was reminded today, walking on the lower level at Bug Rock, how much of a failure that design is. Faces north, so almost always in shade and covered in algae. Pretty much anything else would be better. Inexcusable for a stretch of seafront connecting two of Dublin/Ireland's most popular seaside amenities (Pier and Sandycove beach / Forty Foot).

nomdeboardie

iffandonlyif wrote: »

I was reminded today, walking on the lower level at Bug Rock, how much of a failure that design is. Faces north, so almost always in shade and covered in algae. Pretty much anything else would be better. Inexcusable for a stretch of seafront connecting two of Dublin/Ireland's most popular seaside amenities (Pier and Sandycove beach / Forty Foot).

Ha, never heard of Bug Rock, but inferring from you description and Googling a little I realise it's the Newtownsmith /Scotsman’s Bay seafront. Yeah, I've only been down on the walkway once or twice, probably because it is indeed not great.

On a tangent, are we taking bets on when the baths area revamp will be completed? (Which decade, maybe). I can't remember the plan details, but I hope it has a continuous walkway as close to the sea as possible

nomdeboardie

And on a farther-flung tangent, I was passing the Vico bathing place ("Hawk Cliff") on the Dalkey coast earlier today and it's blocked off with metal fencing, in front of the access opening in the wall and for a distance either side (though wouldn't deter anyone determined to enter). No notice of any sort to explain it at that time to be seen. Can't find a mention online anywhere. Anyone know what's happening? I assume there's some improvement works going on /about to start. Although I can't claim I've ever swam there (yet), I'd hate to think it's being made inaccessible for some other reason

This shore is outside a well known South Dublin pub who have recently set up a take away food truck in the car park. Not difficult to see where they are dumping their grease.

ted1

nomdeboardie wrote: »

And on a farther-flung tangent, I was passing the Vico bathing place ("Hawk Cliff") on the Dalkey coast earlier today and it's blocked off with metal fencing, in front of the access opening in the wall and for a distance either side (though wouldn't deter anyone determined to enter). No notice of any sort to explain it at that time to be seen. Can't find a mention online anywhere. Anyone know what's happening? I assume there's some improvement works going on /about to start. Although I can't claim I've ever swam there (yet), I'd hate to think it's being made inaccessible for some other reason

Irish rail are replacing the footbridge. It’s closed for 2 weeks.

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Glencarraig wrote: »

This shore is outside a well known South Dublin pub who have recently set up a take away food truck in the car park. Not difficult to see where they are dumping their grease.

Please let the local authority know.

Gareth Keenan

nomdeboardie wrote: »

Ha, never heard of Bug Rock, but inferring from you description and Googling a little I realise it's the Newtownsmith /Scotsman’s Bay seafront. Yeah, I've only been down on the walkway once or twice, probably because it is indeed not great.

On a tangent, are we taking bets on when the baths area revamp will be completed? (Which decade, maybe). I can't remember the plan details, but I hope it has a continuous walkway as close to the sea as possible

the sea walls and park there was created about 100 years ago as infill, to protect the houses on Windsor Terrace, Newtownsmith etc from the sea. It was only finished in the early 80s (at the Sandycove end). I'd know Bug Rock as the big rock at the baths end of the walkway.

The last deadline I heard for the not baths was this August. That was before this lockdown. The target to unveil the Casement statue that is to go on the plinth at the new jetty was early August (to commemorate his birthday, I think). And yes, the idea is to have a continuous walkway around the front of the baths from Newtownsmith to the east pier.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Please let the local authority know.

It has been reported and I have to say that the attitude of the person who took the call was disgraceful with little or no interest in the complaint.

frash

Glencarraig wrote: »

It has been reported and I have to say that the attitude of the person who took the call was disgraceful with little or no interest in the complaint.

Log it on https://fixmystreet.ie/
At least there's a record of it then & you can follow-up on it

smackyB

Noticed today that work has started on the new square outside Bloomfields shopping centre. Looking forward to seeing this drab concrete space get a revamp!

iffandonlyif

nomdeboardie wrote: »

Ha, never heard of Bug Rock, but inferring from you description and Googling a little I realise it's the Newtownsmith /Scotsman’s Bay seafront. Yeah, I've only been down on the walkway once or twice, probably because it is indeed not great.

On a tangent, are we taking bets on when the baths area revamp will be completed? (Which decade, maybe). I can't remember the plan details, but I hope it has a continuous walkway as close to the sea as possible

Apologies if that's an obscure name! They've made a lot of progress on the Baths, which I thought would be lying derelict for far longer. Plan does look to be for a continuous walkway, which would be excellent. The area between the Pier and the Baths (Beach Gardens, it's apparently called!) has always been a bit grim. A direct route from the pier to 'Bug Rock' would really liven it up.

nomdeboardie

nomdeboardie wrote: »

And on a farther-flung tangent, I was passing the Vico bathing place ("Hawk Cliff") on the Dalkey coast earlier today and it's blocked off with metal fencing, in front of the access opening in the wall and for a distance either side (though wouldn't deter anyone determined to enter). No notice of any sort to explain it at that time to be seen. Can't find a mention online anywhere. Anyone know what's happening? I assume there's some improvement works going on /about to start. Although I can't claim I've ever swam there (yet), I'd hate to think it's being made inaccessible for some other reason

Ah, didn't see this until now - must have been snapped farther down before the wall was fenced off https://twitter.com/elehutch/status/1385514935183187968

ETA - just saw ted1's post after I posted this

iffandonlyif

Gareth Keenan wrote: »

The target to unveil the Casement statue that is to go on the plinth at the new jetty was early August (to commemorate his birthday, I think).

Oh Jesus, that had passed me by. Ridiculously prominent location for someone not universally recognised as a national hero.

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Gareth Keenan wrote: »

The last deadline I heard for the not baths was this August. That was before this lockdown.

Summer 2022 is the latest deadline.

iffandonlyif wrote: »

Oh Jesus, that had passed me by. Ridiculously prominent location for someone not universally recognised as a national hero.

Is anyone "universally recognised" ?

Roger Casement was a humanitarian ahead of his time and a great Irish nationalist patriot from an unlikely background. He made great personal and professional sacrifices for his beliefs and was born within sight of this location. A commemoration of this nature is the least he deserves.

frash wrote: »

Log it on https://fixmystreet.ie/
At least there's a record of it then & you can follow-up on it

I'm still waiting for a problem on my road reported to fixmystreet 18 months ago so might try another route to this new problem.

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Glencarraig wrote: »

I'm still waiting for a problem on my road reported to fixmystreet 18 months ago so might try another route to this new problem.

My street is currently being fixed for the third time in five years.

Not that it needed fixing, the council just decided to mess about with it again.