OMM 0000 wrote: » You shouldn't be so aggressive when you don't know what you're talking about. You're just making a fool of yourself. 1. Asphyxiation is a symptom of fentanyl overdose. https://mayoclinic.pure.elsevier.com/en/publications/asphyxiation-with-a-fentanyl-patch 2. The medical examiners admitted there was no evidence of asphyxiation due to choking. 3. Did you even read the article you linked to? It says he had 11 nanograms per millilitre of fentanyl in his system. Looking at the data (https://watermark.silverchair.com/bks005.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAApgwggKUBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggKFMIICgQIBADCCAnoGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMSCWIr5zUbtacdAGaAgEQgIICS8aaTezYsrdD9S6Ifgv-TVuzdWCXkesLQatYShFGr7kAuU5hBQY8EAl_Af-yFyqm1jMWC3CfXqKkWpBCtrrff7CmlJrzeLXvg4lDvJSTr__wXaGs0ZlJsjf4ywPx5WYpjbkrC5MlzOS7GUZ9oPCzOs3rnwdAftYab-OXccN0I9hnJgl_V3eHbPI_rkBsVGi7a9OjgdR4v8uKC6lbBwu4ZraMpzo68JEZT5UVFJeNlgIj2j3IGhAmwRnCiwwj70LBdlrINHg8nrWOW4nWj8EeFrxGesQT0LSg5--xpuG-mkEHstv5hp88GSYgInTrCIjQRKCOwnLf9DhHVQaKjJ_mamvR1NlG1NJAOvvt_SNbDgvod74kO_a5GSpvYdAv99E9HCRZMWE7vmy7dp0g2l6Oa13TW9TgUg-22HiL2O7b65ABhW0W7TIQCc0Gv_pZZ5RIUFlMUlu9exP-ZRkrtZzqPeJv8yXRvuSISmVJgMOnoz9pxtcs-4_HsFoQYADJo66sAvcoiRj0a6TnX-BHSuX-1-A32B_vN9xkY3e4Q2fCA9j676bEd2S6SdorvUaw6ytXcT-1m_Tc_t6GVpahNFT5PpUGonvPEZqsUsgkpMAu1Rj4iqT94OkNgUmtBbScFkO9vKBA2crbmPRxLfmaW9ohaEbCBur10EerInSwsX27oVnIYSSrLDjqs6Da8te92fSD3oC8_xJIGWirOgiXJefijW7Hr1FyP_9-pWMOtSMHIHTerNnGLAUNyh_gXoOWwbWOX0mDh0AhRLYsJnOb) we can see if 100 people took this dose, over 95% of them would die, and most would die with less than half this amount. Here's some advice: start looking at the data, you'll have a better understanding of things.
MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: » Should also be noted that dying from asphyxiation leaves no "finger print" in autopsy as was testified. Data can be used and abused, from my own experience of using drugs. I built up a tolerance to the point were I was using double to get the normal high coming to the end of my time using drugs.
OMM 0000 wrote: » You shouldn't be so aggressive when you don't know what you're talking about. You're just making a fool of yourself. 1. Asphyxiation is a symptom of fentanyl overdose. https://mayoclinic.pure.elsevier.com/en/publications/asphyxiation-with-a-fentanyl-patch 2. The medical examiners admitted there was no evidence of asphyxiation due to choking. 3. Did you even read the article you linked to? It says he had 11 nanograms per millilitre of fentanyl in his system. Looking at the data (https://watermark.silverchair.com/bks005.pdf?
Yellow_Fern wrote: » Can you provide a full citation as I cant get the link working.
MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: » Data can be used and abused, from my own experience of using drugs. I built up a tolerance to the point were I was using double to get the normal high coming to the end of my time using drugs.
Retr0gamer wrote: » Some advice for you: Don't argue about things you don't know understand. Because like at the moment you might be arguing about pharmaceuticals with someone with a doctorate in pharmaceuticals. There's only one fool here and that's the person cherrypicking information they don't fully understand to suit their agenda.
OMM 0000 wrote: » Yes but choking leaves a mark. Would you agree from watching the video that Floyd appeared to be in trouble (potentially overdosing... hence his repeated claims that he can't breath) when he was arrested? Many people here are acting like he was perfectly healthy and then a racist police officer decided to choke him to death.
correct horse battery staple wrote: » Are you one of the 2 people who signed off on the autopsy of this poor man? What do you have to gain by arguing on a rare sunny Irish afternoon about a now convicted murderer?? One very sad thing this thread has shown is that there is a scary amount of racists and Trump lovers in Ireland (assuming these people are not paid trolls in St Petersburg somewhere), there must be no room left in the rotten woodwork
OMM 0000 wrote: » That's just beyond pathetic. I provide a link to a paper in the Journal of Analytical Toxicology showing the fentanyl overdose amounts and your response is to pretend you know more than everyone and insult me. Jesus... maybe get some fresh air.
OMM 0000 wrote: » Someone here needs to provide facts and data. There's too many people who are ignoring reality. I don't understand why, what do they gain from creating a fake reality. Even you're doing this, pretending this thread is full of racists.
Retr0gamer wrote: » Asphyxiation from drugs might leave no fingerprint, but a knee on the neck for 8 minutes leaves bruises, internal bleeding and telltale signs like blood clots and blood vessel ruptures in the eyes.
Retr0gamer wrote: » I very much doubt you've read it yourself as you need access to academic journals to read it the full text. Good thing I have. To summarize, at the levels in his blood it would be well below the dose to give an anaesthesia effect let alone be lethal. Lower levels of fentanyl have lead to death but only in cases which involved a serious cocktail of other drugs.
Retr0gamer wrote: » Lay off the confirmation bias then. I'll take the opinion of the medical experts over you and your degree in google-fu.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » The correct verdict in my opinion. I don’t think anyone can dispute that Chauvin got what he deserves. I would question however whether he actually got, and could ever really have gotten, a fair trial. And before anyone jumps down my throat I mean fair only in the sense of facing an unbiased jury. I honestly don’t believe there is a single juror anywhere in the States that wouldn’t have convicted him.
Also is it asking to much of people to stop acting as though George Floyd was a saint or some innocent man minding his own business who was attacked out of nowhere by the big bad cops. He was far from a saint as evidenced by his criminal record and on the day in question he was clearly on drugs and causing problems for the store staff. They were within their rights to call the police and the police were within their rights to restrain him when he resisted arrest. Chauvin went over and above restraint though - there is never any need to press your knee into some-ones neck. Ultimately though only Chauvin truly knows why he did it. My own inkling is it was racially motivated but I doubt we will ever know sure.
Foxtrol wrote: » If you want to talk about relevant history, how about Chauvin's long documented history of violence against civilians and the obvious history of cover ups by his fellow cops, including this murder. They all have blood on their hands.
BattleCorp wrote: » Can you tell me what cops tried to cover up the George Floyd murder?
MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: » Official MPD statement at the time..https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1384662563808497667?s=19 When they were receiving/received calls about the cops actions they still thought it a good idea to release that
OMM 0000 wrote: » Stop lying, it's all in the journal. They literally give a table of median and mean values.
OMM 0000 wrote: » I have a PhD. Look at my post history.
Retr0gamer wrote: » Think you need to check your figures again.
OMM 0000 wrote: » But there is no physical evidence he was choked to death.
There is however evidence he had three times the fatal dose of fentanyl in his body and already had breathing problems before any kneeling started. .
OMM 0000 wrote: » Yes but choking leaves a mark.
Mellor wrote: » You mean other than his cardio pulmonary system failing?
Mellor wrote: » Except he didn’t have 3 times a fatal dose. The dose he had (11ng) was in range used for anaesthesia (10-20ng). A fatal dose could be multiple times that.
Mellor wrote: » No it doesn’t. This idea of no bruises means he couldn’t have been choked is fantasy.
OMM 0000 wrote: » Which is what happens when you have a fentanyl overdose. You're misunderstanding blood sample concentration with dosage. It's normal to receive far more than 10 - 20 nanograms as medicine, but a blood sample concentration of 11 nanograms is extremely high, and would kill more than 95% of people, even half that would kill most people. I've already linked to a paper showing these numbers.
OMM 0000 wrote: » You're misunderstanding blood sample concentration with dosage. It's normal to receive far more than 10 - 20 nanograms as medicine, but a blood sample concentration of 11 nanograms is extremely high, and would kill more than 95% of people, even half that would kill most people. I've already linked to a paper showing these numbers.
The average and median femoral blood concentration of fentanyl was 18 and 20 ng/mL (range: <1–45 ng/mL), and morphine 140 and 80 ng/mL (range: 20–400 ng/mL), respectively.
OMM 0000 wrote: » I'm not just talking about bruising.
You keep saying incorrect things. Perhaps stop having such strong opinions on things you don't understand.
