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Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

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Officer Derek Chavin goes on trial today charged with the homicide of George Floyd, if found guilty he is facing up to 40 years in prison.

The prosecution is largely based on the 9 minute long video of Chauvin pressing his knee into Floyds neck. The defence is going to claim that Chavin did nothing outside of his police training and that Floyds death came about because of drugs in his system and an underlying heart condition. The official autopsy found that his death was a homicide.

Witnesses include a then 17 year old girl who filmed the video on her phone and a police dispatcher who watched events unfold live on CCTV and alerted her supervisor about his treatment.

Its unknown if Chavin himself will take the stand. The trial will also open up answers about the previous relationship between Floyd and Chavin- they both worked as security together for a bar in Minnesota. The trial itself is expected to last 4-5 weeks. The other three police officers involved in the incident will face trial themselves in August.

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Baggly

Deleted User wrote: »

What if some black people say it isn't?

Mod

What if we cut out the whataboutery?

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What if black people say it is?

What if some black people say it isn't?

[Deleted User]

If it can't be framed as the result of racism the very obvious conclusion that Chauvin had no reason to kill him, while being filmed by 5 different cameras, after calling an ambulance for him, shows the whole thing up for a farce..so it has to be racism..

[Deleted User]

Faugheen wrote: »

How can you hate racism when you don’t believe it occurs anywhere?

Deleted User wrote: »

I hate racism and I hate people using racism where there is none.

Deleted User wrote: »

Racism does exist and it is a huge problem.

Deleted User wrote: »

Racism is a serious issue and to see it bandied about where there is none is disgusting.

More lies and dishonesty from you

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no proof or indication that anything about this incident was racist.

What if black people say it is?

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes but drugs can allow people to exhibit strength beyond what they are usually capable of.

Erm no they don't. Not without specific training. A steroid would do nothing for you against Armstrong on nothing.

[Deleted User]

Faugheen wrote: »

There are racists on boards. There is no ‘probably’ about it.

As for this thread, there is because those same posters are showing a similar pattern of behaviour that they bring to any thread involving minorities or immigrants.

That pattern of behaviour is dismiss, deny, deflect and distract.

You believe someone needs to actively use the n-word for them to be be a racist. Not the case. Many racists get through life without ever using a derogatory term.

You keep your head in the sand though.

You keep saying blatant lies. Where did I say that the "n word" needs to be used?

I've stated that racism is real and a problem.

There is no proof or indication that anything about this incident was racist.

You are simply lying and laughably trying to frame me as a racist or a racist sympathiser

Faugheen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not an agenda.

I hate racism and I hate people using racism where there is none.

How can you hate racism when you don’t believe it occurs anywhere?

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because there is ZERO we evidence that racism is a factor.

And black people aren't a homogeneous group.

That's slightly racist to think they all have a hive mind don't you think?

You’ve already been showed evidence that it played some degree of factor. It seems misplaced to pick this hill to die upon thusly.

OMM 0000

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

And what % population do black people make up?

And yes that IS a rather alarming amount of white people shot who were unarmed.

Maybe something good for everyone can come out of this black lives matter stuff. eh?

It's not about population percentage, it's about police interaction.

Black people commit a very large amount of crime even though they are a small percentage of the population.

So when you look at the crime statistics it proves whites are targeted more than blacks.

I understand though no amount of data will change your mind.

Are you even willing to accept the fact 12 unarmed blacks were shot, or are you going to pretend it's 1000s?

Faugheen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wow.

What a take.

I specifically said there are probably racists on boards, but I have seen no evidence of racism on this thread.

Racism does exist and it is a huge problem. But that doesn't give idiots carte blanche to attribute racism to all situations where the individuals are of a different race.

There are racists on boards. There is no ‘probably’ about it.

As for this thread, there is because those same posters are showing a similar pattern of behaviour that they bring to any thread involving minorities or immigrants.

That pattern of behaviour is dismiss, deny, deflect and distract.

You believe someone needs to actively use the n-word for them to be be a racist. Not the case. Many racists get through life without ever using a derogatory term.

You keep your head in the sand though.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

But why do you get to say where racism is and is not? I mean I trust you are white. Why don't black people get to the be the judge of that?

Because there is ZERO we evidence that racism is a factor.

And black people aren't a homogeneous group.

That's slightly racist to think they all have a hive mind don't you think?

Overheal

drkpower wrote: »

I would prefer you to use your own words and arguments rather than someone else’s.

Your preference is understood. I offered you that editorial which does a good enough job for my satisfaction. I wasn’t obliged to respond to your post at all. You asked for an elaboration on a broad reaching topic that I don’t frankly feel like regurgitating or plagiarizing when the link will suit anyone who has a “genuine” curiosity for the subject matter, they will go read through.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Superhuman's do not exist. Neither does magic.

If he were superhuman why was one mortal man able to put him on the ground and kneel on him?

If he were superhuman why did he die?

Superhumans are things children believe in.

Drugs don't give you superhuman powers.

Yes but drugs can allow people to exhibit strength beyond what they are usually capable of.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not an agenda.

I hate racism and I hate people using racism where there is none.

But why do you get to say where racism is and is not? I mean I trust you are white. Why don't black people get to the be the judge of that?

[Deleted User]

Overheal wrote: »

These two statements appear in conflict.

It's not an agenda.

I hate racism and I hate people using racism where there is none.

drkpower

Overheal wrote: »

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/548698-ignoring-race-at-our-peril-in-the-derek-chauvin-trial

I would prefer you to use your own words and arguments rather than someone else’s.

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nobody showed any evidence of racial elements.

I'm not trying to "get one over" on BLM or the media. I'm sick of race being used as a catch all for everything.

I'm not pushing any agenda.

Racism is a serious issue and to see it bandied about where there is none is disgusting.

These two statements appear in conflict.

[Deleted User]

Faugheen wrote: »

I know, because you act like racism doesn’t exist anywhere, and you don’t believe there are racists on boards.

Thanks for confirming you’re only pushing an agenda like those very posters that I talk about.

Wow.

What a take.

I specifically said there are probably racists on boards, but I have seen no evidence of racism on this thread.

Racism does exist and it is a huge problem. But that doesn't give idiots carte blanche to attribute racism to all situations where the individuals are of a different race.

Overheal

drkpower wrote: »

Please elaborate

Genuine question.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/548698-ignoring-race-at-our-peril-in-the-derek-chauvin-trial

[Deleted User]

Overheal wrote: »

So you’re by your own admission just pushing an agenda more than you are arguing actual fact. You want there to be no race element so you yell there is no race element even after being shown evidence for a race element, because you want to get one over on BLM and the media.

Nobody showed any evidence of racial elements.

I'm not trying to "get one over" on BLM or the media. I'm sick of race being used as a catch all for everything.

I'm not pushing any agenda.

Racism is a serious issue and to see it bandied about where there is none is disgusting.

ILoveYourVibes

OMM 0000 wrote: »

You can see 26 unarmed whites were shot, and 12 unarmed blacks were shot.

.

And what % population do black people make up?

And yes that IS a rather alarming amount of white people shot who were unarmed.

Maybe something good for everyone can come out of this black lives matter stuff. eh?

Faugheen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And for clarity, I'm not defending chauvin, I'm simply stating that the race baiting tactics used by BLM, the media and posters on here are disgusting

I know, because you act like racism doesn’t exist anywhere, and you don’t believe there are racists on boards.

Thanks for confirming you’re only pushing an agenda like those very posters that I talk about.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

A big scary man with superhuman powers.

Superhuman's do not exist. Neither does magic.

If he were superhuman why was one mortal man able to put him on the ground and kneel on him?

If he were superhuman why did he die?

Superhumans are things children believe in.

Drugs don't give you superhuman powers.

drkpower

Overheal wrote: »

Nobody with any awareness of the history behind that legal defense would tend to agree with you.

Please elaborate

Genuine question.

OMM 0000

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Why are so many black people shot unarmed by police then in comparison to white people??

They aren't.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

You can see 26 unarmed whites were shot, and 12 unarmed blacks were shot.

Looking at the violent crime statistics you can see blacks commit more than 60% as many violent crimes as whites.

https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

Based on this we can see unarmed white people are disproportionately targeted by police compared to black people.

I've shown you these figures before but you continue to believe the false narrative that blacks are targeted.

Overheal

drkpower wrote: »

The prosecution didn’t plead or reference a racial element.
The ‘superhuman’ reference had zero to do with race and was specifically raised with respect to adrenaline surges, coupled with his size. Big white guys have adrenaline too.

Race may have had a role in Chauvins actions but what is absolutely certain is that it was not any part whatsoever of the state’s case.

Nobody with any awareness of the history behind that legal defense would tend to agree with you.

[Deleted User]

TomSweeney wrote: »

Add in to the mix the police leaving in droves and who would want to sign up to the police force in the US now ???

USA is lost, we are witnessing the fall of an empire.

Absolutely agree. The process just seems to have sped up rapidly in the past 5 years. America will still be the pre-eminent power in the world for the next 50 years but the end is nigh. China sure as hell aren't dividing themselves along identitarian lines.

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And for clarity, I'm not defending chauvin, I'm simply stating that the race baiting tactics used by BLM, the media and posters on here are disgusting

So you’re by your own admission just pushing an agenda more than you are arguing actual fact. You want there to be no race element so you yell there is no race element even after being shown evidence for a race element, because you want to get one over on BLM and the media.

drkpower

Overheal wrote: »

Seems to be an absolutely absurd claim to anyone who has passing familiarity with this case. The defense even used the Rodney King argument, that he had “superhuman” strength. Superhuman. Last I checked blacks were only human.

I’m not sure how one could argue race plays no element when it so clearly does. The best olive branch I can give you is that the prosecutions case did not have to invoke racism as an element in their prosecution to secure convictions. That is not to say that race was not an element, only that it was not instrumental to securing conviction.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-03/derek-chauvin-trial-george-floyd-anger

You keep saying, matter of factly, that race wasn’t evident and that there is no proof or evidence that it is. Yet there is. It seems futile now to argue the negative.

The prosecution didn’t plead or reference a racial element.
The ‘superhuman’ reference had zero to do with race and was specifically raised with respect to adrenaline surges, coupled with his size and drugs. Big white guys have adrenaline too.

Race may have had a role in Chauvins actions but what is absolutely certain is that it was not any part whatsoever of the state’s case.