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Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

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Officer Derek Chavin goes on trial today charged with the homicide of George Floyd, if found guilty he is facing up to 40 years in prison.

The prosecution is largely based on the 9 minute long video of Chauvin pressing his knee into Floyds neck. The defence is going to claim that Chavin did nothing outside of his police training and that Floyds death came about because of drugs in his system and an underlying heart condition. The official autopsy found that his death was a homicide.

Witnesses include a then 17 year old girl who filmed the video on her phone and a police dispatcher who watched events unfold live on CCTV and alerted her supervisor about his treatment.

Its unknown if Chavin himself will take the stand. The trial will also open up answers about the previous relationship between Floyd and Chavin- they both worked as security together for a bar in Minnesota. The trial itself is expected to last 4-5 weeks. The other three police officers involved in the incident will face trial themselves in August.

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obi604

Smee_Again wrote: »

Doubt it, has any cop or ex-cop found not guilty of killing a an unarmed person turned up murdered.

This is a bit different though. The whole world knew about this.
And riots for months in America over it.

Hedgehod55

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

I think the jury acted in their own selfless reasons.
I don't blame them for a second.
The feared for their lives if they came back with Not Guilty.

Former California home of Derek Chauvin trial witness vandalized with pig's head, blood Use-of-force expert testified on behalf of officer in George Floyd case.
https://www.twincities.com/2021/04/19/former-california-home-of-derek-chauvin-trial-witness-vandalized-with-pigs-head-blood/

What the Notorious hater Congresswoman Maxine Waters said about the Derek Chauvin trial

“Well, we’ve got to stay on the street. And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational. We’ve got to make sure that they know that we mean business.”
https://policetribune.com/maxine-waters-calls-for-activists-to-take-to-streets-get-more-confrontational-if-chauvin-not-convicted/

This is impressive mental gymnastics, you have created a situation where they couldn't possibly have found Chauvin guilty based on the overwhelming evidence, but actually because they were scared of being killed by those pesky violent blacks if they acquitted him.

Amazing to watch.

[Deleted User]

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

I think the jury acted in their own selfless reasons.
I don't blame them for a second.
The feared for their lives if they came back with Not Guilty.

Former California home of Derek Chauvin trial witness vandalized with pig's head, blood Use-of-force expert testified on behalf of officer in George Floyd case.
https://www.twincities.com/2021/04/19/former-california-home-of-derek-chauvin-trial-witness-vandalized-with-pigs-head-blood/

What the Notorious hater Congresswoman Maxine Waters said about the Derek Chauvin trial

“Well, we’ve got to stay on the street. And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational. We’ve got to make sure that they know that we mean business.”
https://policetribune.com/maxine-waters-calls-for-activists-to-take-to-streets-get-more-confrontational-if-chauvin-not-convicted/

I think you're pushing conspiracy theories about the verdict... They did not fear for their lives and you have no proof that they did.

Biafranlivemat

obi604 wrote: »

Weird question time. Let’s say Derek Chauvin was found NOT GULITY.

What kind of life would he have had?

I guess he would be killed within days of being released.

Word on the streets of Boston, is gangbangers are talking about killing Chauvin, If found not guilty. I guess it is the same talk in major US cities.

joseywhales

Green Peter wrote: »

Does that still hold if it's your life family or property that's being threatened?

Self defense is fine but murder is not. There is a difference between defensive and offensive action. The murder here was not necessary or helpful in defending the public.

end of the road

Green Peter wrote: »

If you want to engage in crime and encounter police there are risks, especially if you carry or use firearms. Dont take drugs and resist arrest especially when you have a heart condition. This verdict will be overturned in time. Bidens comments today were shocking and show the pressure the jury were under. I.genuinely feel they feared for their lives and families lives.

there was no resisting arrest.
the officer is guilty as charged.
you lost, get over it.

Pa ElGrande

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

. . . .

If i was a member of the police force in the USA , I would be seriously considering my position after this verdict .

Should actually have a mass resignation of police officers in the US , wipe the slate clean . Let Joe Biden and co arrange a new police force of their " utopia " .

On that point the police in the United States are generally well paid, with good benefits when you make it to retirement, so unlikely. The most likely reaction across several (not all) police jurisdictions in the United States is one that became prevalent in the 1970s where the police just stand back and let crime ran amok in some neighbourhoods.

Ckendrick

briany wrote: »

It certainly does not. That's what peaceful protest is for, and the data backs up the assertion that BLM protests throughout have been majority peaceful.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-23/lapd-most-george-floyd-protests-peaceful

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/11/a-timeline-of-the-george-floyd-and-anti-police-brutality-protests

Even this report which disputes the framing of the findings, can't really find any countering evidence to say that violence and looting has been anything more than very much a minority of the protests.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-myth-behind-blms-peaceful-protests/

So, the effort to characterise the entire BLM thing as riots and looting and so on is simply pathetic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660507/3-Wisconsin-deploys-National-Guard-police-shooting-Black-man-sparks-unrest.html

Look, there’s tons of this everywhere. Pretending that there’s no violence involved is just counter productive. Persistent political lobbying is the only way to change things.

Biafranlivemat

I think the jury acted in their own selfless reasons.
I don't blame them for a second.
The feared for their lives if they came back with Not Guilty.

Former California home of Derek Chauvin trial witness vandalized with pig's head, blood Use-of-force expert testified on behalf of officer in George Floyd case.
https://www.twincities.com/2021/04/19/former-california-home-of-derek-chauvin-trial-witness-vandalized-with-pigs-head-blood/

What the Notorious hater Congresswoman Maxine Waters said about the Derek Chauvin trial

“Well, we’ve got to stay on the street. And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational. We’ve got to make sure that they know that we mean business.”
https://policetribune.com/maxine-waters-calls-for-activists-to-take-to-streets-get-more-confrontational-if-chauvin-not-convicted/

Faugheen

Green Peter wrote: »

Does that still hold if it's your life family or property that's being threatened?

Didn't see Derek Chauvin's life being under threat at any stage in this.

Murderer.

Faugheen

Ckendrick wrote: »

Hopefully there will be a general consensus now that the best approach for police to take with suspected criminal activities involving minorities is to just allow them to get on with it.
It is really the only approach to take. From now on any police officer who encounters a minority with a gun, or under the influence should just move on.

You know for someone who was hopeful of a guilty verdict, you're making a lot of excuses and engaging in victim-blaming.

You've exposed yourself as one of those bad-faith posters with minimal effort. Top work.

NewClareman

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Kinda funny how defence advocates actually cite details of the case while prosecution advocates dont

What exactly were you watching, was it Fox News???

Green Peter

joseywhales wrote: »

Well they certainly shouldn't murder them, if the choice is murder or do nothing, I'll take doing nothing.

Does that still hold if it's your life family or property that's being threatened?

Smee_Again

cheezums wrote: »

so if they can't get away with the odd murder, they should stop policing altogether?

christ.

Racist Cop: If I can’t kill black people then what’s the point of being a cop?

Non-racists: To protect and serve!

Racist Cop: **** that, I wanna kill me some black people.

[Deleted User]

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Always felt this was voluntary manslaughter on the evidence particularly the video.

Regardless it was never going to be a fair trial in that way.

Here’s a link to the judges direction to the jury- what do you think is “unfair” about the verdict based on his clear guidance?

While I was doubtful the jury would find guilty on Count 1 based on the pure legal definition of how murder 2 is written, the judges direction to the jury below on count 1, makes it a far more believable and realistic verdict - have a read.

https://www.startribune.com/read-the-judges-instructions-for-the-jury-in-the-derek-chauvin-murder-trial/600047788/

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cheezums

Ckendrick wrote: »

Hopefully there will be a general consensus now that the best approach for police to take with suspected criminal activities involving minorities is to just allow them to get on with it.
It is really the only approach to take. From now on any police officer who encounters a minority with a gun, or under the influence should just move on.

so if they can't get away with the odd murder, they should stop policing altogether?

christ.

Guy:Incognito

Ckendrick wrote: »

Hopefully there will be a general consensus now that the best approach for police to take with suspected criminal activities involving minorities is to just allow them to get on with it.
It is really the only approach to take. From now on any police officer who encounters a minority with a gun, or under the influence should just move on.

Or, they could try actual policing. I know its an alien concept but approaching every situation by pulling guns on people or rolling in in body armour on APC's has a tendancy to escalate situations.

If 4 police with guns cans deal with 1 unarmed guy without killing him then they are not fit to be in the job. Nevermind how minor the crime was and that they had him cuffed .

pjohnson

Any police officer digusted that they arent allowed kill black people for giggles with no consequence should certainly resign immediately.

They US really needs quality control on the officers anyway a vast majority seem completely unskilled and barely trained in how to tie their own shoelaces.

joseywhales

Ckendrick wrote: »

Hopefully there will be a general consensus now that the best approach for police to take with suspected criminal activities involving minorities is to just allow them to get on with it.
It is really the only approach to take. From now on any police officer who encounters a minority with a gun, or under the influence should just move on.

Well they certainly shouldn't murder them, if the choice is murder or do nothing, I'll take doing nothing.

nolivesmatter

Faugheen wrote: »

If a retrial is ordered because of one statement a member of Congress made, then it opens up a whole can of worms about any comment ever made about any trial by any politician before or during a trial.

Unless there is clear evidence that the jury were influenced, it's not going to happen.

I don't think her comments influenced the outcome. But partially I think that's because the threat of rioting and violence if Chauvin was found not guilty was already well established long ago.

I always thought he was guilty of at least manslaughter. So I don't have huge issues with the outcome. But the constant looming threat of violence I have found bothersome. I don't even live in the states and I almost didn't want to know the outcome.

Guy:Incognito

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

Should actually have a mass resignation of police officers in the US , wipe the slate clean . .

Thatd be a start anyway........

Green Peter

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

Crazy decision / ruling , in my opinion .

Manslaughter at best , no way was it murder 1,2,3,4,5 or whatever .

Comes across as a bit of a " show trial ".

If i was a member of the police force in the USA , I would be seriously considering my position after this verdict .

Should actually have a mass resignation of police officers in the US , wipe the slate clean . Let Joe Biden and co arrange a new police force of their " utopia " .

I couldn't agree more, no way was it murder in any shape or form. It may have been negligence at best, the constant pressure police are under from firearms in the USA is behind alot of the no nonsense policing. Maybe the need to down tools for a few days and let congress woman waters and her community police the USA as they seem to know best.

Ckendrick

Hopefully there will be a general consensus now that the best approach for police to take with suspected criminal activities involving minorities is to just allow them to get on with it.
It is really the only approach to take. From now on any police officer who encounters a minority with a gun, or under the influence should just move on.

Guy:Incognito

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Originally he was put sitting in the car. He got violent and there was a hostile crowd that threatening violence at these cops. he asked to be taken out so they did

Yeah, the lovely police officers were just doing what Floyd asked them to, such nice boys. I mean, if you listen to the tape he says "I dont like it in here guys, can you take me out of the car and sit on me instead"

Again, if police cant handle a few people standing on the path and shouting at them a bit, they are not fit to be police. What did the 4 guys with guns think the people with the phones were going to do to them?

Foxtrol

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

Crazy decision / ruling , in my opinion .

Manslaughter at best , no way was it murder 1,2,3,4,5 or whatever .

Comes across as a bit of a " show trial ".

If i was a member of the police force in the USA , I would be seriously considering my position after this verdict .

Should actually have a mass resignation of police officers in the US , wipe the slate clean . Let Joe Biden and co arrange a new police force of their " utopia " .

They'd do the US public a huge favour.

Any cop who believes they have the right to slowly choke a man to death and then refuse to allow others to provide medical assistance shouldn't be anywhere near a police force.

Good riddance.

Faugheen

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

Crazy decision / ruling , in my opinion .

Manslaughter at best , no way was it murder 1,2,3,4,5 or whatever .

Comes across as a bit of a " show trial ".

If i was a member of the police force in the USA , I would be seriously considering my position after this verdict .

Should actually have a mass resignation of police officers in the US , wipe the slate clean . Let Joe Biden and co arrange a new police force of their " utopia " .

US police officer defends murderer colleague. Quelle surprise.

You do know the police were the most important witnesses for the prosecution, right?

Smee_Again

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

Crazy decision / ruling , in my opinion .

Manslaughter at best , no way was it murder 1,2,3,4,5 or whatever .

Comes across as a bit of a " show trial ".

If i was a member of the police force in the USA , I would be seriously considering my position after this verdict .

Should actually have a mass resignation of police officers in the US , wipe the slate clean . Let Joe Biden and co arrange a new police force of their " utopia " .

I’d guess the officer who would be upset at this verdict are exactly the officers that shouldn’t be police officers.

briany

Ckendrick wrote: »

Nothing says “we want justice” like a Dollar Store on fire in a poor black neighborhood and a brand new LED TV stolen while wearing a brand new pair of stolen NIKE runners.

It certainly does not. That's what peaceful protest is for, and the data backs up the assertion that BLM protests throughout have been majority peaceful.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-23/lapd-most-george-floyd-protests-peaceful

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/11/a-timeline-of-the-george-floyd-and-anti-police-brutality-protests

Even this report which disputes the framing of the findings, can't really find any countering evidence to say that violence and looting has been anything more than very much a minority of the protests.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-myth-behind-blms-peaceful-protests/

So, the effort to characterise the entire BLM thing as riots and looting and so on is simply pathetic.

[Deleted User]

Crazy decision / ruling , in my opinion .

Manslaughter at best , no way was it murder 1,2,3,4,5 or whatever .

Comes across as a bit of a " show trial ".

If i was a member of the police force in the USA , I would be seriously considering my position after this verdict .

Should actually have a mass resignation of police officers in the US , wipe the slate clean . Let Joe Biden and co arrange a new police force of their " utopia " .

Yellow_Fern

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

There were 4 cops with guns and he had his hands cuffed behind his back.

What were they afraid he was going to do if they didnt put him face down on the road and 3 of them get on top of him?

Originally he was put sitting in the car. He got violent and there was a hostile crowd that threatening violence at these cops. he asked to be taken out so they did