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Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

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Officer Derek Chavin goes on trial today charged with the homicide of George Floyd, if found guilty he is facing up to 40 years in prison.

The prosecution is largely based on the 9 minute long video of Chauvin pressing his knee into Floyds neck. The defence is going to claim that Chavin did nothing outside of his police training and that Floyds death came about because of drugs in his system and an underlying heart condition. The official autopsy found that his death was a homicide.

Witnesses include a then 17 year old girl who filmed the video on her phone and a police dispatcher who watched events unfold live on CCTV and alerted her supervisor about his treatment.

Its unknown if Chavin himself will take the stand. The trial will also open up answers about the previous relationship between Floyd and Chavin- they both worked as security together for a bar in Minnesota. The trial itself is expected to last 4-5 weeks. The other three police officers involved in the incident will face trial themselves in August.

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ACitizenErased

I'm quite surprised the second degree passed having watched virtually every day of evidence tbh. Otherwise a good result.

Windmill100000

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Nobody held up chauvin as a hero, he deserved manslaughter but this verdict is insane

You feel bad for him. Awww.

francois

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Mob justice wins!

Justice wins fyp

Faugheen

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Mob justice wins!

The tears of unfathomable sadness.

Shame on you defending a murderer.

Guy:Incognito

namloc1980 wrote: »

You don't believe in just trials then.

Of course he does........if they give the verdict he wants.

Smee_Again

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In fairness, all those people were lining up excuses on why the verdict would be a fix no matter what.... And weirdly, a fair few of them tend to just hold incredible questionable views on black people in general. Basically they wanted to hold Chauvin up as some hero or some crap.

Purely coincidental I’m sure.

[Deleted User]

Spare a thought for Antifa tonight. What are they going to do with all those petrol bombs now??

Ckendrick

Be right back wrote: »

What a daft thing to say.

The judge already said that he will accept a plea for a mistrial from the defence based on Ms Waters exhortation to violence.
Add to that the very odd intervention from President Biden today and you can be assured that the celebrations will be short lived and Mr Chauvin will be out on bail while another trial is arranged.

[Deleted User]

Smee_Again wrote: »

Going to be interesting seeing all the posters defend convicted murderer Derek Chauvin while at the same time calling for harsher sentences for murderers in Ireland.

How can anyone call for harsher sentences for murderers in Ireland??

ACitizenErased

Faugheen wrote: »

The tears of unfathomable sadness.

Shame on you defending a murderer.

Are you done complaining about everyone else? Christ.

namloc1980

The defenders of a cold blooded murderer are out in force tonight. Some posters need to take a sone time to reflect on what side of this they are on.

All_in_Flynn

I'm not surprised personally. If you followed the trial, it became more apparent after each passing day that the defence being offered was flimsy at best. Their own expert witness was torn apart under cross examination and even at one point admitted that Chauvin should have given him medical attention.

You also know you're probably on the right side of the argument when you see who some of the other posters who were defending him were. I'm all for debate but it's clear that some of the points being put forward in Chauvin's defence were laced with bias.

In a strange way, I did feel a tinge of sadness for Chauvin as the camera was on him whilst he received the verdicts.

Sandor Clegane

I've a funny feeling these celebrations will be short lived.

cozar

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

What must be going through his head, life down the toilet for a few moments of madness.

Over 9 mins of madness?

drkpower

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm quite surprised the second degree passed having watched virtually every day of evidence tbh. Otherwise a good result.

Same here, and agreed.

But juries are funny animals and are very hard to predict.

[Deleted User]

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

What must be going through his head, life down the toilet for a few moments of madness.

Well, 9 minutes 29 seconds of madness. I wonder will he survive that long with his head down the toilet in jail.

[Deleted User]

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Mob justice wins!

You do recognise that George Floyd was the victim of an extrajudicial killing?

Whereas Chauvin has been convicted in line with the law and fair procedures, he enjoyed the presumption of innocence until that was firmly rebutted by the State.

And somehow you think he's the victim of mob justice, pathetic.

LuckyLloyd

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Nobody held up chauvin as a hero, he deserved manslaughter but this verdict is insane

Do you know what’s insane? Kneeling on a man’s neck and continuing to do it over his protestations and his desperate last gasps for air until he is dead.

A dangerous scumbag that hopefully gets the harshest sentence possible.

GerardKeating

Ckendrick wrote: »

Mr Chauvin will be out on bail while another trial is arranged.

Nope Bail was revoked, and he is custody now, led from the court in handcuffs.

Hedgehod55

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Nobody held up chauvin as a hero, he deserved manslaughter but this verdict is insane

Are you out of touch? No, it must be everyone else who is wrong.

[Deleted User]

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Nobody held up chauvin as a hero, he deserved manslaughter but this verdict is insane

The defense failed miserably cause his actions were indefensible. The jury were advised on what they were prosecuting him for so no it's entirely sane, the prosecution argued their point and the defense didn't offer reasonable doubt.

To convict Chauvin on this count, Judge Peter Cahill told jurors they must find that the former officer intended to commit an assault that could cause bodily harm or intentionally aided in committing such an assault.
“It is not necessary for the state to prove the defendant had an intent to kill Floyd. But it must prove that the defendant committed, or attempted to commit, the underlying felony,” the judge said.

Cahill added that the state must prove that the assault either inflicted bodily harm on Floyd or was intended to commit bodily harm. That essentially could include loss of consciousness, the judge said.
“It is not necessary for the state to prove that the defendant intended to inflict substantial bodily harm, or knew that his actions would inflict substantial bodily harm, only that the defendant intended to commit the assault, and George Floyd sustained substantial bodily harm,” Cahill said.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/04/19/derek-chauvin-murder-manslaughter-charges-sentencing-breakdown/7286597002/

Yellow_Fern

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm quite surprised the second degree passed having watched virtually every day of evidence tbh. Otherwise a good result.

Not really. There is video evidence the knee was on his back, not neck. Its politics not truth.

Ckendrick

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Spare a thought for Antifa tonight. What are they going to do with all those petrol bombs now??

Well the mayor of Portland has just announced a state of emergency and requested help from elsewhere. I hope you don’t think that ANTIFA or BLM give a tuppeney f**k about George Floyd or his family or any of the other dead black people or their families.
They are nobodies in all this.

enricoh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well, 9 minutes 29 seconds of madness. I wonder will he survive that long with his head down the toilet in jail.

Charming!

osarusan

Interesting that he can was guilty of all three. I knew he could be, and the charges aren't legally exclusive of each other, but it seems a bit strange that he can be found guilty of deliberately intending to assault, and also be found guilty of being indifferent to whether he caused harm. If he intended to do it, he's hardly indifferent to it (not the exact wording of the charges but hopefully people get the drift).

Anyway, pleased that he was found guilty of something. It's frightening to think that what he did might not have constituted any crime at all, and good to see that there is some limit to the leeway given to police.

What really struck me though was the importance of video evidence, and it made me wonder how many police have got away with similar stuff in the past because there were no cameras there and it was just the words of a police officer against the words of a witness.

ACitizenErased

Let's be honest he'll be put in protective custody and that'll be that, he won't be in gen pop

Ckendrick

GerardKeating wrote: »

Nope Bail was revoked, and he is custody now, led from the court in handcuffs.

Just as soon as the defence call for the judge to declare it a mistrial he will be out on bail.
You’re not paying attention to what the judge said.

Smee_Again

bubblypop wrote: »

How can anyone call for harsher sentences for murderers in Ireland??

The posts don’t necessarily make sense, some posters on here wouldnt know the difference between a mandatory life sentence and being released on parole after 17 years.

Penn

Ckendrick wrote: »

The judge already said that he will accept a plea for a mistrial from the defence based on Ms Waters exhortation to violence.
Add to that the very odd intervention from President Biden today and you can be assured that the celebrations will be short lived and Mr Chauvin will be out on bail while another trial is arranged.

From what I understand, the defence would have to show that Maxine Waters' comments influenced the jury's decision in some way. While the defence have grounds for appeal, that doesn't mean it'll be successful. The fact the jury came to a unanimous decision of guilty on all three counts doesn't give much credence to the idea that Waters' comments (stupid as she was to make them) had any effect on the jury.

Biden's comments were after the jury were sequestered. They won't influence the appeal.

Yellow_Fern

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Do you know what’s insane? Kneeling on a man’s neck and continuing to do it over his protestations and his desperate last gasps for air until he is dead.

A dangerous scumbag that hopefully gets the harshest sentence possible.

He said I cant breath dozens of times when no one touched him. It referred to being put in the police car. There is video evidence that that he has knee on his shoulder, not neck. Murder is the deliberate killing of someone. The best you can say is that he disregarded his safety. To claim it is a deliberate killing is irrational.