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M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

JupiterKid

Following on from the suggestion of a poster, this thread has been set up to discuss the need for widening the M7.

The section of the M7 IMO in immediate need (really a backlog need) for widening is the section from the Maudlins Interchange at Naas to the M9 interchange - basically the original 1983 Naas Bypass and half of the 1993 Newbridge Bypass. Is this likely to proceed in the near future?

Would the central median be wide enough for widening to D3M here? I'm pretty sure it is wide enough on the Newbridge bypass section but I'm not so sure in the case of the Naas Bypass.

Also, what bridges will need to be demolished and rebuilt? Or would it be more practical to drop the hard shoulder through the existing bridges?

What about the proposal a few years back to build a new junction at on the Naas Bypass at Osberstown? Will it still go ahead?

In the longer term, does anyone see a need to widen the M7 to the N7/M8 junction?

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WishUWereHere

Stan27 wrote: »

I drove the sallins bypass today. (Clane to waterford direction). It is excellent

I have driven the opposite way in the mornings. Also excellent job done, with smooth tar laid, sure puts the inside lane between J9 & j10 SB to shame.

One query: anyone know why already there is a lane closure? I am referring to the Clane slip road at J9a NB so soon after opening?

veryangryman

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, I walked as far as Osberstown Cottages along the canal and then turned back to head out the millennium ringroad. It's insane that in 2020/21, for an additional trivial cost, they didn't put in active travel provision for the future - Naas/Sallins is going to continue to grow (both in its own right and as a commuter suburb for Dublin) and the new ringroad is inevitably going to become part of the ribbon development.

Don't think there's much on the ringroad other than getting to your destination. If cycling-commuting, one would go through the town? Maybe there's some plan for Liffey Greenway, i'm speculating here.

With a bit of luck there will be some cop from the council not to build on the bypass. Defeats it's function.

[Deleted User]

Yeah, I walked as far as Osberstown Cottages along the canal and then turned back to head out the millennium ringroad. It's insane that in 2020/21, for an additional trivial cost, they didn't put in active travel provision for the future - Naas/Sallins is going to continue to grow (both in its own right and as a commuter suburb for Dublin) and the new ringroad is inevitably going to become part of the ribbon development.

veryangryman

cantalach wrote: »

By that logic the signs on the M7 as you come out of Dublin wouldn't show the distance to Cork because the M7 goes to Limerick. Similarly, the M4 signs wouldn't show Galway because the M4/N4 goes to Sligo. There is provision in the road signage manual for destinations off the mainline route to be shown. The mandated format is to put those destinations in parentheses. He has a point.

Some places still do that crapp. From Maynooth interchange, you'd struggle to find Galway

https://goo.gl/maps/PHq3A2rdg3Vof3Rx7

No wonder the annonymous man looks confused

dashcamdanny

Deleted User wrote: »

I walked as far as the applegreen (coming from Naas) last weekend - I had no idea that the vast majority of the ringroad had no cycling/walking provision whatsoever. That was hardly building/planning for the future!

They are trying to send pedestrian traffic down a newly built path to the canal. The only foot path you will be on till you eventually get to the bypass.

Its at the millennium rd motorway bridge.

From the canal bridge on the Osbertowns rd, you then have to walk or cycle a very dangerous and fast road, with double solid white lines (again with no path) to the road where the Leinster Aqueduct is.

From about 300m down that country road (with no path), they built two paths onto the bypass.

Its very typically Irish. And does nothing for the community who have been campaigning for years for safer infrastructure . Especially with the new secondary school on the verge of opening.
What is going to happen when that school opens, is children trying to negotiate the two new motorway roundabouts while walking on a road. What could possible go wrong!!

cantalach

Darc19 wrote: »

The road number is clearly stated on the sign - R407.

The R407 goes to Kilcock via Clane. The R407 does not go to Celbridge or Maynooth.

By that logic the signs on the M7 as you come out of Dublin wouldn't show the distance to Cork because the M7 goes to Limerick. Similarly, the M4 signs wouldn't show Galway because the M4/N4 goes to Sligo. There is provision in the road signage manual for destinations off the mainline route to be shown. The mandated format is to put those destinations in parentheses. He has a point.

[Deleted User]

I walked as far as the applegreen (coming from Naas) last weekend - I had no idea that the vast majority of the ringroad had no cycling/walking provision whatsoever. That was hardly building/planning for the future!

Stan27

I drove the sallins bypass today. (Clane to waterford direction). It is excellent

BelfastVanMan

jmkennedyie wrote: »

I understand we await official redesignation. This will trigger removing the remaining temporary paint on the road signage revealing the presumably R407 designation on the linking stretch of the Millennium Road.

Thanks for that.

jmkennedyie

I understand we await official redesignation. This will trigger removing the remaining temporary paint on the road signage revealing the presumably R407 designation on the linking stretch of the Millennium Road.

BelfastVanMan

Is Millenium Link Road now part of the R407?

silver2020

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

This may not be there right place to post this so Mods feel free to move but it is just up the road from M7 J10.

Consultation opened this week on putting another roundabout on the R445, doing away with the existing median crossing;

https://consult.kildarecoco.ie/en/consultation/proposed-improvements-newhall-junction-part-8-planning-ref-p8202105

That was planned a long time ago. I had thought they were going to proceed with it before the newly located M7 junction, but must have been put on the long finger.

Far too many crashes and near misses at that junction especially with dangerous fools who turn from the sallins road onto lane two of the newbridge carriageway

Pete_Cavan

riddlinrussell wrote: »

It includes a fair amount of walking and cycling provision, so I'm hopeful that this is just the start of a walking and cycling upgrade to the road. Bridges or underpasses of the main road should be considered instead of the crossing envisaged, but obviously outside the budget of such a scheme at present.

The crossings of the local roads north and south of the roundabout are probably fine given the low traffic volumes but the uncontrolled crossings of the dual carriageway will be deathtraps.

riddlinrussell

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

This may not be there right place to post this so Mods feel free to move but it is just up the road from M7 J10.

Consultation opened this week on putting another roundabout on the R445, doing away with the existing median crossing;

https://consult.kildarecoco.ie/en/consultation/proposed-improvements-newhall-junction-part-8-planning-ref-p8202105

I had a look at the plans earlier in the week, I think this was awaiting the new road being finished before it got underway, possibly also informed by traffic using this junction coming from Floods Cross to avoid the Naas ring road, plenty of trucks coming out of that junction.

It includes a fair amount of walking and cycling provision, so I'm hopeful that this is just the start of a walking and cycling upgrade to the road. Bridges or underpasses of the main road should be considered instead of the crossing envisaged, but obviously outside the budget of such a scheme at present.

I've made suggestions for improvements to a local councillor, so we will see what comes of it.

Pete_Cavan

This may not be there right place to post this so Mods feel free to move but it is just up the road from M7 J10.

Consultation opened this week on putting another roundabout on the R445, doing away with the existing median crossing;

https://consult.kildarecoco.ie/en/consultation/proposed-improvements-newhall-junction-part-8-planning-ref-p8202105

BuzzFish

traco wrote: »

I am sure waze had it the friday evening it opned as i went hom evia the applegreen at the Volvo commecrcials and had waze on.

Waze had it from 11am Friday. The volunteer editing community are on the ball.

traco

I am sure waze had it the friday evening it opned as i went hom evia the applegreen at the Volvo commecrcials and had waze on.

BuzzFish

HabibiLibneni wrote: »

The bypass is now on Google Maps. The traffic feed will likely go live in the next couple of weeks.

Doesn't take them long to pick the updates up from Waze (a much better option than google maps). :cool:

[Deleted User]

The bypass is now on Google Maps. The traffic feed will likely go live in the next couple of weeks.

TnxM17

marno21 wrote: »

Same as the M6 at the Loughrea exit which is signed Portumna both ways. Eastbound sure but westbound you’d be mad not to exit at Ballinasloe.

I know its OT - but its been getting traction, the Junction 16 Westbound does not have Portumna on it.

I would post a pic but I don't have enough posts here - but if you check the street view it shows Kiltullagh Loughrea.

Ash.J.Williams

Quickest way to Balitore from naas is still the old way

Sam Russell

There does appear to some effort to 'encourage' motorists onto tolled roads.

marno21

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Gets you to go through the tolled section though...

You wouldn't because Portumna is also signed from exit 15 at Ballinasloe. It's 30km from J15 to Portumna vs 65km J15-J16-Portumna. No one in their right mind would take that route.

Hotblack Desiato

marno21 wrote: »

Same as the M6 at the Loughrea exit which is signed Portumna both ways. Eastbound sure but westbound you’d be mad not to exit at Ballinasloe.

Gets you to go through the tolled section though...

Darc19

dashcamdanny wrote: »

On the Kerdiffstown road at Sallins primary school, there is now a sign for Clane. Pointing the wrong way.

That sign has been there for quite a while (at least 2 years). Its to signify that you turn left into Church avenue as there's no right turn if you continue to the bridge

marno21

veryangryman wrote: »

I think the logic is that because the Motorway has limited access on/off by design, they try to cover as much as possible regarding directions.

M4 Maynooth exit sign for Eastbound is silly. The Kilcock exit is the right one for any sane person coming from Galway, Athlone etc going to Naas. The Westbound i can understand. They likely did a copy/paste from the Eastbound for Westbound despite it defying common sense.

Same as the M6 at the Loughrea exit which is signed Portumna both ways. Eastbound sure but westbound you’d be mad not to exit at Ballinasloe.

veryangryman

pad199207 wrote: »

I think they have Celbridge and prosperous in brackets on the road into sallins from monread. No just a query.

I mean everywhere you drive in Maynooth you see signs for Naas. Even on the motorway exit for Maynooth it has Naas.

Must be because it’s the county town or something I dunno.

I think the logic is that because the Motorway has limited access on/off by design, they try to cover as much as possible regarding directions.

M4 Maynooth exit sign for Eastbound is silly. The Kilcock exit is the right one for any sane person coming from Galway, Athlone etc going to Naas. The Westbound i can understand. They likely did a copy/paste from the Eastbound for Westbound despite it defying common sense.

dashcamdanny

On the Kerdiffstown road at Sallins primary school, there is now a sign for Clane. Pointing the wrong way.

pad199207

Darc19 wrote: »

Rarely do I see that and usually it's major towns

Sure add Leixlip, Lucan, straffan, Enfield and whatever else too. Signs would be enormous.

Maynooth is not even on a road off the 407.

I think they have Celbridge and prosperous in brackets on the road into sallins from monread. No just a query.

I mean everywhere you drive in Maynooth you see signs for Naas. Even on the motorway exit for Maynooth it has Naas.

Must be because it’s the county town or something I dunno.

Darc19

pad199207 wrote: »

Usually they would have names of towns in brackets that are not directly on that route

Rarely do I see that and usually it's major towns

Sure add Leixlip, Lucan, straffan, Enfield and whatever else too. Signs would be enormous.

Maynooth is not even on a road off the 407.