KrisW1001 wrote: » Most road tunnels are curved. The Dublin Port Tunnel has two very long bends in it to avoid areas where the ground was expensive to tunnel through. The Jack Lynch Tunnel in Cork is also curved. Only the Shannon Tunnel is straight.
marno21 wrote: » Where did the 1 billion price tag come from?
Steve012 wrote: » I heard its more than 1 billion.
prunudo wrote: » Unfortunately, while it would be great to think numbers will continue to be low, eventually the volumes will return and probably be worse than ever in a year or two. The volume of house building in the area is crazy and that will only lead to one thing as there isn't enough local employment being created. While working from home will help, it won't be the golden goose some hope for.
punisher5112 wrote: » So again the powers that be never learn..... The sooner that numpty transport minister is gone the better, he wants us all walking or cycling.
punisher5112 wrote: » The sooner that numpty transport minister is gone the better, he wants us all walking or cycling.
punisher5112 wrote: » Yes but this isn't happening, it's left like it is the last 22-23 years..... It will be happening in these changes to motorway though, well that's obviously the plan.
Carawaystick wrote: » The junctions at Kilpeddar and Willow Grove were shut more recently than that
prunudo wrote: » 2003 believe it or not so not far off. Just regarding the mention of a €1bn price tag. We need to stop focusing on what big infrastructure costs. Whether they upgrade the n11 or the trainline (I believe we need both) its going to be an eye watering price tag. Construction prices are continually going up and the process to get projects even through planning is taking longer and longer. Some sort of plan is needed and needs to be stuck to without the meddling of politicians for their own point scoring exercises.
donvito99 wrote: » The problem isn't the price tag, it's the opportunity cost and the benefit. If the Glen of the Downs was still an old style N road - one lane in each direction plus hard shoulders - then a motorway as is proposed now is the solution. We have a dual carriageway already. It is not perfect by any means, but to spend a billion to shave a couple of minutes off the journey (off peak) and put the tail backs somewhere else at peak times, is almost criminal. Close the dangerous junctions, stick in an overbridge where necessary, reduce to 80kph in other parts if necessary and spend the billion quid on infrastructure that actually reduces congestion.
prunudo wrote: » For what its worth, I've no idea where the €1bn even came from, I can't see how it will cost that much unless they plan to tunnel the whole project. My point was really though that as time goes on €1bn isn't as much as it used to be when it comes to infrastructure and we need to start accepting that large scale building projects are going to start having big figures attached to them as both construction costs increase and as is evident lately, increasing likelihoods of legal challenges with the associated professional fees.
Steve012 wrote: » It's well over 1 billion I heard, close to 2.3 mate!
KrisW1001 wrote: » 2.3 billion is nonsense. Probably from the same sage who said M20 would cost three billion...
Sam Russell wrote: » How can anyone price a build that has not even got a route identified, nor the type of build that will be done. It is just plucking numbers from someone's rear end. The source of the figure is not identified so should definitely be treated as nonsense.
KrisW1001 wrote: » Phonecall: TD: "how much does it cost to build a house?" Engineer: "What kind of house?" TD: "You know... a house. A nice one." Engineer: "Without knowing what's needed, or the ground, or the access, I've no idea! It could cost anything: it could be 100k, or it could be over a million euro!" Headline: TD SAYS HOUSE TO COST "OVER MILLION EURO" 2.3 billion for this is a nonsense figure until the route, and thus the real scope of works, becomes known. And no, Arup does not know that route already. If they did, revealing this by telling you would land them in a lot of legal trouble.
Steve012 wrote: » Back when this came to the fore, I met with Arup they mentioned 2.3 for the scale of the project. That's where I heard it.
Sam Russell wrote: » What was the pay grade of the person that told you this?
loyatemu wrote: » is this new? interactive map of the current options:https://atlas-ie.arup.com/portal/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=a47cd00abeee44a49cfdfed7a8993da8&fbclid=IwAR1hSmO8aFdqtt63AiuJVTy-FFTHjNOYGAuQk1Y67NF9a3HLVs73SPQvn7Q
