blanch152 wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/lawto-stop-social-media-management-abroad-for-political-parties-after-sinn-fein-revelations-40301728.html "He wants to ban parties from transferring funding or resources from branches of their organisation based outside of Ireland into the State for electoral purposes. The new legislation will mean any transfer of “money or resources” will be treated as a political donation that will limit the amount parties can transfer between their organisation to €2,500." This is good news. It is very wrong for political organisations outside the State to be able to buy influence in the State in this way. "It is also aimed at banning politicians from receiving training or political advice paid for by units of their party based outside of the country. It will also prohibit parties from commissioning and paying for political research outside of the State and transferring the findings to operations in the country. It will also stop parties from deploying paid party officials based in other countries to campaign during elections in Ireland." These measures are also welcome as no State should have their politics influenced by outsiders. The murky role played by FOSF in the US should become clearer thanks to this legislation.
Fionn1952 wrote: » I'm not sure it'll be quite so welcome in some FF circles, given how heavily they've depended on Peter MacDonagh over in Prague for quite some time....
blanch152 wrote: » So? Who cares when it is the right thing to do? I take it you have no objection to the ending of the foreign influence.
blanch152 wrote: » This whataboutery is exactly why Sinn Fein are a threat to our democracy. They don't realise or understand the difference between foreign money being pumped into the democratic processes of elections on the one hand and commercial undertakings on the other. A state's democracy is corrupt if foreign money and organisations can interfere in elections. That there is resistance to stamping it out says it all about corruption and Sinn Fein.
piplip87 wrote: » Not often i say this but well done SF. Very grown up behaviour by SF in their handling of Prince Philips death. A real step forward. Unfortunately again their supporters let them down though. I follow a few SF accounts and I am a member of a few SF groups on Facebook. The abuse Micheal Martin and Micheal D took for expressing condolences after the death is unreal yet the exact same accounts are now hailing Michelle and Marylou for doing the same.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Funny really. The monarchy have been interacting with SF for yonks now. The queen and McG having a giggle springs to mind and commiserations were offered to her on the death of the queen mum.Not very well informed posts there.
piplip87 wrote: » Unfortunately again their supporters let them down though. I follow a few SF accounts and I am a member of a few SF groups on Facebook. The abuse Micheal Martin and Micheal D took for expressing condolences after the death is unreal yet the exact same accounts are now hailing Michelle and Marylou for doing the same.
blanch152 wrote: » Are you saying that piplip was not telling the truth about the Facebook Shinners?
FrancieBrady wrote: » No, I think you know what I am referencing. The surprise shown by you and others shows a lack of knowledge. And Pip kinda shows the problem with making pronouncements about those who comment on social media. He/She is a member of a SF group...but isn't a Shinner. How do you know people making rude comments are Shinners? I'd have no doubt that there are many SHinners who are anti monarchy as many others are too. See some UK homegrown vitriol about their own monarchy.
blanch152 wrote: » I don't think so. We see weasel words of apology from SF politicians all the time, so to see an honest condolence is more than a little surprising. Genuineness is nearly always absent from SF pronouncements.
piplip87 wrote: » No there's people on time timeline and on my twitter feed who have commented vile abuse because the Taoiseach and President extended sympathies to the British people and the Royal family. Less than 24 hours later these exact same people are praising Marylou for doing the same. There is a massive amount of SF support that cannot think for themselves. They are blinded by party loyalty and will not speak out against their leader. Its the same for all parties but SF are by and far the worst for it. Saying that I have to compliment the SF leadership again that was a massive step for them. I have no doubt there will be some members joining RSF because of it though.
blanch152 wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-under-pressure-to-reveal-location-of-its-secret-voter-database-40306631.html This gets even more sinister the more we hear about it. "The party is also refusing to say who developed the database or reveal how Sinn Féin paid for the sophisticated canvassing system." "Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and Labour said they do not have similar centralised voter databases." "An internal Sinn Féin document shows the party scanned details of the marked register and party officials are asked to update the database with local knowledge. Voters are ranked in the system as ‘hard’ or ‘soft’ Sinn Féin voters or as ‘legacy supporters’ if they voted for the party in a previous elections." This is a real serious threat to our democracy where a political party is creating secret files on ordinary voters. If they ever got to power, would they misuse that knowledge to target those who didn't vote for them? The potential implications of such a database are huge and there is not a single positive element to it.
maccored wrote: » get off yer horse. an organised party who has a detailed up to date database - ie a party who are efficient at what they do. no wonder you think SF are no normal party ... efficiency and organisation isnt something you could attach to the Greens, FG or FF
Finty Lemon wrote: » Military precision, you could say
blanch152 wrote: » It is quite scary the way that this is being dismissed by Sinn Fein supporters. If it was Microsoft or Fine Gael or Communicorp that had a secret database on every adult in the country, Sinn Fein would be protesting in the streets, demanding resignations etc. However, Sinn Fein are different, and as many have said, not a normal party.
FrancieBrady wrote: » How is it 'secret' if we all know about it? Jaysus.
blanch152 wrote: » I don't know what information Sinn Fein hold on me. That makes it secret, and any information they hold on me is held without my permission, and that is a breach of GDPR.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You can request that info under GDPR. Why don't you? You can also do it with multiple other agencies and public bodies. My son has done this quite successfully with a body in this country.
blanch152 wrote: » I wouldn't want to end up in an unmarked grave somewhere in a bog, so I'll let the authorities deal with it. Then again, they probably have me marked down for that destination if they ever get into power.
Fionn1952 wrote: » In fairness on this one, it is shifty as hell and I can understand people's discomfort. I take my data privacy quite seriously, and would quite actively monitor what permissions I give. I'll be sending a subject access request to see what data they may be holding on me; I'm particularly curious about whether SF here have information on whether I voted SF when living in the North.
